Cutler Traded to Chicago

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Jay Cutler-QB- Broncos Mar. 31 - 9:12 pm et

In a statement late Tuesday, owner Pat Bowlen announced that the Broncos will attempt to trade Jay Cutler. SI.com's Peter King reports that the team plans to execute a deal before the April 25-26 NFL Draft.
"Numerous attempts to contact Jay Cutler in the last 10 days, both by Head Coach Josh McDaniels and myself, have been unsuccessful," Bowlen said. "His agent earlier today clearly communicated and confirmed to us that Jay no longer has any desire to play for the Denver Broncos. We will begin discussions with other teams in an effort to accommodate his request." The Jets, Lions, and Bucs will likely be Cutler's most ardent suitors. The 49ers, Bears, Panthers, and Vikings may also show interest.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3608

[shadowboxin']

Lions = 1st overall pick for Cutler?

Unless they're going after someone other than Stafford at #1 (which I don't see), this could be a feasible option. They've still got a first round pick at #20, and they've got to address the QB position sooner or later. Better a proven commodity than a rookie gamble, especially Stafford.

[Jones31]

I figure the Broncos just set themselves back a good 3-4 maybe 5 years with this. You can blame Cutler for not being a man and picking up the phone now.




And Bus Cook is still a scum bag.

[titansikou]

Lions = 1st overall pick for Cutler?

Unless they're going after someone other than Stafford at #1 (which I don't see), this could be a feasible option. They've still got a first round pick at #20, and they've got to address the QB position sooner or later. Better a proven commodity than a rookie gamble, especially Stafford.

Didn't the lions promise Culpepper the spot though? ... not that they have to honor that.

Anyway, I kind of feel bad for the Broncos. They flubbed a bit with this, but Cutler is acting the brat, IMO. I wonder if he's going to turn out to be a cancerous type like TO.

[shadowboxin']

I don't feel sorry for the Broncos at all. They shoved out Shanny without having a reliable replacement in mind, and didn't have the foresight to see that McDaniels was a product of the system, and would be an utter failure as a head coach.

At the same time though, Cutler needs to man up. Dude whines more than Sean Hannity.

[ZachLV27]

I don't feel sorry for the Broncos at all. They shoved out Shanny without having a reliable replacement in mind, and didn't have the foresight to see that McDaniels was a product of the system, and would be an utter failure as a head coach.

At the same time though, Cutler needs to man up. Dude whines more than Sean Hannity.

Someone who hasn't even coached a game is already a failure?

[don28]

I don't blame Cutler a bit for not picking up the phone and talking to these two. They appear to have lied about soliciting trades, and then apparently gave Cutler an attitude when they finally had a face-to-face meeting a couple of weeks ago. If I was Cutler, I wouldn't have answered the phone either. It is very difficult to work and respect someone that you can't trust.

Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels have made this bed, and now they get to lie (pun intended) in it. When the Broncos become the next laughing stock of the league, the Raiders will be glad to have some company.

[don28]

Someone who hasn't even coached a game is already a failure?

When you alienate your best player, a Pro Bowler, a widely thought of up-and-coming QB, your coaching career is destined to be about as short as a relationship with Paris Hilton.

[shadowboxin']

Someone who hasn't even coached a game is already a failure?

It's a little premature, but he's been a failure up to this point. He's certainly not giving me any hope of the Broncos having a successful season.

[Jones31]

I don't blame Cutler a bit for not picking up the phone and talking to these two. They appear to have lied about soliciting trades, and then apparently gave Cutler an attitude when they finally had a face-to-face meeting a couple of weeks ago. If I was Cutler, I wouldn't have answered the phone either. It is very difficult to work and respect someone that you can't trust.

Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels have made this bed, and now they get to lie (pun intended) in it. When the Broncos become the next laughing stock of the league, the Raiders will be glad to have some company.
Nah Bowlen didn't do anything until expect whine about maybe losing him. Until now.
Everything before was Xanders and McDunce.

[don28]

Nah Bowlen didn't do anything until expect whine about maybe losing him. Until now.
Everything before was Xanders and McDunce.

To borrow from the movie Midnight Run: Xanders, Moron #1; McDaniels, Moron #2

[Jones31]

LOL, it's fitting.

[ZachLV27]

Bowlen is one of the best / most liked owners in the game. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt over someone who has Bus Cook as an agent.

[TitansFan23]

Lions gotta make a run at him.

[Fairweather Fan]

McDaniels could be the first coach in history to be fired before the pre season or he may turn out to be a genius.

[Jones31]

I'm not holding my breath on Genius..... no coach under Belichick has had any great success, I heard somewhere Belichick said McD needed another year before making the big step.

[Jones31]

Wonder if they got 6 jerseys on sale at Sport Seasons yet.

[Titanico]

The Cutler story it's a bizarre one in my book.

Cutler was supposed to be Denver's next QB....so I am absolutely surprised by all this.

[Jones31]

I still think Bowlen is becoming looney as Al Davis is.

[Jones31]

Well at least we know where Jay is.... he's at UFC fight night downtown.

[TitansFan23]

The Bottom line is the man who should’ve done something during this whole debacle didn't; at least nothing to improve the situation. That man is the owner. It's his team, and he should've reached between his legs, grabbed his balls, and taken care of this whole mess, but he didn't.

He left it up to his GM and rookie HC, which was stupid.

Did Cutler whine and cry like a baby? Yeah, he did to a certain extent, but he's still really young and I'm sure having his name thrown out there in a potential trade was somewhat shocking.

I hear all the BS, everyone's expendable, everyone could be put on the trade block, but when is the last time a QB with his potential, who is supposed to be the emerging face of the franchise, a guy everyone fully expected to become the Broncos next great QB, a guy who is coming off a 4500+ yard, Pro Bowl season, been put in his position?

Bowlen should have told his HC to shut the **** up, and he should have also lit a fire under the ass of his GM. He then, should have forced BOTH of those idiots to climb aboard a plane, fly to Nashville, and plant their lips squarely on Cutler’s ass. Josh McDaniel’s is a freaking tool. He came into the organization and pissed off the one person he shouldn’t have pissed off. The guy is clueless, and apparently, so is everyone else in that club.

I hope Cutler leads (whichever team he’s traded to) to a Super Bowl, and I hope that team beats the Broncos on the way there.

[kytitansfan1]

Cutler told FoxSports.com on Wednesday night he did not think it would go this far.

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told FoxSports.com. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. They [The Broncos] had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't.

"I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."

His years at Vanderbilt failed to teach him to be careful what you wish for.

[Sect309Fan]

Cutler told FoxSports.com on Wednesday night he did not think it would go this far.

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told FoxSports.com. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. They [The Broncos] had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't.

"I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."


I wonder if Jay and his agent have been talking. :huh

Cook has obviously been telling the Broncos that Jay wanted to be traded. Maybe it is time to get a new agent.

[NYTitan21]

According to Rotoworld... cutler wants to play for the Titans or Bears.


The Broncos have reportedly been so swarmed by inquiries about Jay Cutler that they've been unable to return most phone calls.

They're asking for texts and emails rather than phone conversation. "It could mean something's happening fast, or maybe they're just overwhelmed," a source said. Cutler has reportedly told friends that he'd like to play for the Titans or Bears, who he grew up cheering for. That may not matter, though, considering the lack of communication between trading team and tradee.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1507812,CST-SPT-mully02.article

[hooktool]

I heard on NFLN that Bus Cook said that Brett Favre would entertain trade offers from the Broncos. :D:D

John

[Jones31]

I wonder if Jay and his agent have been talking. :huh

Cook has obviously been telling the Broncos that Jay wanted to be traded. Maybe it is time to get a new agent.

Obviously not, when Bowlen called Cook to get Jay to call him, he apparently never spoke to Cutler to tell him to call. Only thing Cook told Bowlen was, he hasn't gotten back to me. Then the whole whirlwind he's gone started.

[Toronto]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4034863

How weird is this? The Broncos don't want the 1st pick overall. Wow, guess they didn't like seeing what Jake Long got last year.

[Jones31]

I don't think it would be very smart of the Lions to part with the top pick for Cutler, that's a ton of cash they'd have to pay for a guy when win now it the motto in Denver.

[Sect309Fan]

I don't think it would be very smart of the Lions to part with the top pick for Cutler, that's a ton of cash they'd have to pay for a guy when win now it the motto in Denver.

Are you saying it would be bad for the Lions or for Denver?

I definitely see it as a problem for Denver. They would be paying more for a unproven rookie #1 QB that they would for Cutler. I think it would be a great trade for Detriot, since the money isn't that much different, and they would be getting someone that at least has proven he can be an NFL QB.

[Mike McFan]

The Bottom line is the man who should’ve done something during this whole debacle didn't; at least nothing to improve the situation. That man is the owner. It's his team, and he should've reached between his legs, grabbed his balls, and taken care of this whole mess, but he didn't.

He left it up to his GM and rookie HC, which was stupid.

Did Cutler whine and cry like a baby? Yeah, he did to a certain extent, but he's still really young and I'm sure having his name thrown out there in a potential trade was somewhat shocking.

I hear all the BS, everyone's expendable, everyone could be put on the trade block, but when is the last time a QB with his potential, who is supposed to be the emerging face of the franchise, a guy everyone fully expected to become the Broncos next great QB, a guy who is coming off a 4500+ yard, Pro Bowl season, been put in his position?

Bowlen should have told his HC to shut the **** up, and he should have also lit a fire under the ass of his GM. He then, should have forced BOTH of those idiots to climb aboard a plane, fly to Nashville, and plant their lips squarely on Cutler’s ass. Josh McDaniel’s is a freaking tool. He came into the organization and pissed off the one person he shouldn’t have pissed off. The guy is clueless, and apparently, so is everyone else in that club.

I hope Cutler leads (whichever team he’s traded to) to a Super Bowl, and I hope that team beats the Broncos on the way there.

Great post !:thumbsup

[Jones31]

Are you saying it would be bad for the Lions or for Denver?

I definitely see it as a problem for Denver. They would be paying more for a unproven rookie #1 QB that they would for Cutler. I think it would be a great trade for Detriot, since the money isn't that much different, and they would be getting someone that at least has proven he can be an NFL QB.

Just about both ways. I'd let that low first go if I was Detroit. I just don't think Cutler is worth the #1 pick in this years draft. Detroit has other needs to fill aside from QB.

[titansikou]

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told FoxSports.com. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. They [The Broncos] had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't.

"I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."

His years at Vanderbilt failed to teach him to be careful what you wish for.

Didn't he ASK for a trade??? What is it with these 25 year old QBs? I don't think I was that emotional age 25. Does money send these guys into emotional pre-pubescence or is it the result of being swaddled for their adult lives?

[TitansFan23]

Didn't he ASK for a trade??? What is it with these 25 year old QBs? I don't think I was that emotional age 25. Does money send these guys into emotional pre-pubescence or is it the result of being swaddled for their adult lives?

When I was 25, I was pretty immature; hell, I'm 33 and still am.

Give me a boatload of cash along with the fame of a starting NFL QB, and yeah, I can see myself doing a LOT of stupid stuff.

That's why I refuse to sit here and bash Cutler all day, like some in the media are doing, and some former pros like that douchebag Trent Dilfer.

I’m not saying Cutler shares no blame in the ordeal, just that I can empathize with him more so than the others.

Bowlen could've flown to Nashville; McDummy could've gone along with him.

They didn't, they played the he said, she said game, stayed in Denver and acted like a bunch of immature jackasses themselves.

I have no pity for them now.

[JCBRAVE]

This is turning into a tiring story. My take on it is this; after Cutler said he never wanted it to go this far, I feel like that makes him in the wrong all along now. I'm no big Cutler fan so I don't want him in Tennessee. I would rather keep Collins as our starter, and bring Vince along. Before yesterday I was on Cutler's side thinking he wont get traded, Denver wont do it, but maybe should because he's been mistreated. I cant tell who is 'full of it' and who isn't. All parties involved seem to be lying and no one is popping up on my T.V. to clarify the whole thing. I could see him sitting out training camp if nothing is done by then. Other than that I think Denver blew it big allowing Cutler to feel this way. I give this team two seasons before finding a new coach become their first priority.

[Jones31]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Jay-Cutler-sighting-Denver-s-trash-is-Nashville?urn=mma,152266

[TitansFan23]

Rampage!

[titansikou]

When I was 25, I was pretty immature; hell, I'm 33 and still am.

Give me a boatload of cash along with the fame of a starting NFL QB, and yeah, I can see myself doing a LOT of stupid stuff.

That's why I refuse to sit here and bash Cutler all day, like some in the media are doing, and some former pros like that douchebag Trent Dilfer.

I’m not saying Cutler shares no blame in the ordeal, just that I can empathize with him more so than the others.

Bowlen could've flown to Nashville; McDummy could've gone along with him.

They didn't, they played the he said, she said game, stayed in Denver and acted like a bunch of immature jackasses themselves.

I have no pity for them now.

Yeah, Bowlen and co could have done a much better job of handling this. It was a nonissue that became an issue because they couldn't be upfront about it. That said, it WAS a nonissue.

Trent Dilfer... that guy is a natural jackass. I agree there for sure.

[Toronto]

I agree with others - Pat Bowlen is the man ultimately responsible for letting this "Favre-like" soap opera progress to a point where its become bigger than the team.

The mere fact that its become bigger than the team is the biggest issue the Broncos face, and for that, Bowlen has no one to blame but himself. Mike Shanahan, warts and all, would have NEVER made these kind of mistakes and allow such a situation to break out on his watch where his star player basically performs a mutiny, after being pushed onto the diving board by his new coach.

And for the record, the mere fact that the team even considered for a second ranking Matt Cassel ahead of Cutler is scary stuff if I'm a Denver fan -shows terrible personnel judgement IMO.

One thing for sure is that Bowlen needs to end this ASAP.

[titansikou]

And for the record, the mere fact that the team even considered for a second ranking Matt Cassel ahead of Cutler is scary stuff if I'm a Denver fan -shows terrible personnel judgement IMO.


This is so true. I do not understand what teams see in Cassel.

[Jones31]

Oh they thought if NE could produce Brady, Cassel would be more of the same. It's funny I think I heard John McClain say yesterday Poili wouldn't part with Cassel for Cutler anyways.

[Fairweather Fan]

I am confused (http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20090402/Cutler.Glazer/).

[Jones31]

That was a ploy when he said that to make them come to him and his terms... they called his bluff.

[Bobcat]

Per ESPN Radio, Cutler is a Bear. No details of the trade yet.

[Jones31]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

[Bobcat]

Terms of the trade weren't immediately available, but the Bears had to beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to get land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback.

[Jones31]

Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that the Chicago Bears have sent two first-round picks, a third-round pick, and quarterback Kyle Orton to the Broncos for quarterback Jay Cutler and a fifth-round draft pick.

The Bears held the 18th pick in the first round of the draft.

Per NFLPA records, Orton is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $995,000.

[shadowboxin']

The Bears beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to get land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback.

Were we even in this?

[Bobcat]

Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that the Chicago Bears have sent two first-round picks, a third-round pick, and quarterback Kyle Orton to the Broncos for quarterback Jay Cutler and a fifth-round draft pick.

The Bears held the 18th pick in the first round of the draft.

Per NFLPA records, Orton is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $995,000.

Wow. I know he's a good QB but I'm not so sure about all they gave up to get him.

Denver - IMO - gets the better of this in the long run. Orton is serviceable (sort of) and will probably be alright there. Plus they get a couple first-rounders in the deal.

[Bobcat]

Were we even in this?

I wondered if we were one of the dark-horses to get him. I guess we were, at least according to that article.

[Zephyr]

hes a BEAR!

[Toronto]

And the soap opera is officially over


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

I'm sorry, I know the Bears want a real QB for the 1st time since our grandparents were fans, but that is way too much for Cutler. Broncos did pretty well IMO

Gotta wonder what the Titans offered, because I suspect to be mentioned like this suggests we made a serious one.

[Zephyr]

The Chicago Bears pulled the big upset Thursday afternoon by acquiring Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, a source told ESPN.com.

The Broncos confirmed the move.


To acquire Cutler, the Bears had to give up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 and 2010, a source said.


To complete the trade, the Broncos had to give back a third-round pick in 2009.

The Bears beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to get land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

[shadowboxin']

You've got a better chance of logging in on the TOMB than Broncos Country right now. Total meltdown.

[Aaron3322]

Crazy... Loosing 2 first rounders is huge. Very interesting though. This season is going to be very exciting.

[Zephyr]

I wonder how close we were to getting him, would have been the greatest day in my sports life.

[Aaron3322]

I wonder how close we were to getting him, would have been the greatest day in my sports life.

you would have been happy giving up that much for Cutler?

[TitanTom0987]

I wonder how close we were to getting him, would have been the greatest day in my sports life.

If we had given up a player and two firsts for Cutler I would have been livid. No way is he nearly worth that much.

[Zephyr]

you would have been happy giving up that much for Cutler?

I wouldn't blink!

[Bobcat]

It sounds like the Bears won the sweepstakes after they agreed to throw in Orton and a third-rounder.

I would assume that any team in the running for him would've given up at least two first round picks, considering that's what the Broncos wanted. You can safely assume we'd have given up our '09 and '10 first-round picks and maybe a mid to late round pick, something in that 4th-6th round range. Not sure if VY would've been included as well.

No matter how you look at it, we'd have had to give up WAY too much to get him. I'd have been f'ing pissed as hell if we'd have given up that much for him. I don't care how bad we need a future QB, that's way too much.

[ZachLV27]

If we had given up a player and two firsts for Cutler I would have been livid. No way is he nearly worth that much.

Yeah that.

The Broncos got better with this trade.

[NYTitan21]

I wouldn't blink!

:crazy:crazy:crazy

[Sect309Fan]

I am actually pretty happy for this trade. The Bears are basically "Vandy North" with Cutler, Earl Bennett, Hunter Hillenmeyer, and one of their offensive linemen.

It is also a cold weather team, which should help his diabetes. It is also his favorite team growing up (he is from Santa Claus, Indiana), which is an added bonus.

I wish him well. But man, the Bears gave up a lot for him. :ohmy

[Aaron3322]

I wouldn't blink!

lol me either... and my jaw would be on the floor. but im sure for the exact opposite reasons from you. Thats just way to much to give up for someone you dont even know is going to be around in 5 years due to lack of performance or his diabetes. Denver came out better on this deal and it will show.

[Fairweather Fan]

It sounds like the Bears won the sweepstakes after they agreed to throw in Orton and a third-rounder.

I would assume that any team in the running for him would've given up at least two first round picks, considering that's what the Broncos wanted. You can safely assume we'd have given up our '09 and '10 first-round picks and maybe a mid to late round pick, something in that 4th-6th round range. Not sure if VY would've been included as well.

No matter how you look at it, we'd have had to give up WAY too much to get him. I'd have been f'ing pissed as hell if we'd have given up that much for him. I don't care how bad we need a future QB, that's way too much.

VY was probably the problem. We threw him in there and they wanted us to give them another first round pick for taking VY off our hands.

On a more serious note. I think Chicago gave up to much for him and I would have been really un happy had we given all that up. I don't know if it was mentioned, but Denver is also giving Chicago its fifth round pick this year.

[ZachLV27]

I am actually pretty happy for this trade. The Bears are basically "Vandy North" with Cutler, Earl Bennett, Hunter Hillenmeyer, and one of their offensive linemen.

It is also a cold weather team, which should help his diabetes. It is also his favorite team growing up (he is from Santa Claus, Indiana), which is an added bonus.

I wish him well. But man, the Bears gave up a lot for him. :ohmy

By being "Vandy North" does that mean they are going to be a mediocre team at best too? :p

[Nintova]

Broncos get Sanchez and make San Fran Cry .... book it. Lions take Stafford now. The draft just got shook up. I think we are gonna be happy too :)

[NYTitan21]

Bears reported to sign LT Orlando Pace too.

[ZachLV27]

Broncos get Sanchez and make San Fran Cry .... book it. Lions take Stafford now. The draft just got shook up. I think we are gonna be happy too :)

:huh

The 49ers have the 10th pick and the Broncos have the 12th pick.

I don't see Sanchez getting past the Seahawks at #5 anyways.

[Toronto]

I am actually pretty happy for this trade. The Bears are basically "Vandy North" with Cutler, Earl Bennett, Hunter Hillenmeyer, and one of their offensive linemen.

It is also a cold weather team, which should help his diabetes. It is also his favorite team growing up (he is from Santa Claus, Indiana), which is an added bonus.

I wish him well. But man, the Bears gave up a lot for him. :ohmy

Uh, help his diabetes? Have you not eaten Chicago pizza or any number of Chicago delicacies?

I suspect he may grow a third chin when it's all said and done.:thumbsup

[don28]

The Broncos have received a king's ransom in draft picks for Cutler, but they aren't worth anything if the Broncos choose poorly. That will ultimately make Xanders and McDaniels either look brilliant or moronic.

[Sect309Fan]

Uh, help his diabetes? Have you not eaten Chicago pizza or any number of Chicago delicacies?

I suspect he may grow a third chin when it's all said and done.:thumbsup

Yes, the food might be an issue. (and I have had their pizza and other foods...very good :thumbsup)

[NYTitan21]

Uh, help his diabetes? Have you not eaten Chicago pizza or any number of Chicago delicacies?

I suspect he may grow a third chin when it's all said and done.:thumbsup

http://www.bertranprojects.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/doganatomy.jpg

http://fc29.deviantart.com/fs29/f/2008/049/0/f/Giordano__s_Chicago_Pizza_by_tnvwboy.jpg

[shadowboxin']

SportsCenter is beating this into the ground... nonstop Cutler coverage for the whole show. How many opinions do you need on the trade? I don't think ESPN will be satisfied until they get everyone from Chicago on the phone about this.

[JCBRAVE]

Well now what are people going to talk about since he is out of Denver. I guess Cutler will be getting analyzed by everyone and their momma's this weekend. This could be worse, we could be talking about Favre coming out of retirement. Wonder what his buddy Philip Rivers is thinking about the trade.

[titan122]

Well now what are people going to talk about since he is out of Denver. I guess Cutler will be getting analyzed by everyone and their momma's this weekend. This could be worse, we could be talking about Favre coming out of retirement. Wonder what his buddy Philip Rivers is thinking about the trade.

thank god he's out of the west and in the nfc:thumbsup

[felloffthewagon]

I'd have been f'ing pissed as hell if we'd have given up that much for him. I don't care how bad we need a future QB, that's way too much.

This is the truth. No way is he worth that, and McDaniels doesn't make it to year 3.

[Jones31]

Uh, help his diabetes? Have you not eaten Chicago pizza or any number of Chicago delicacies?

I suspect he may grow a third chin when it's all said and done.:thumbsup

MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Titanico]

Freakin' players...they get the world for nothing???

And...anybody told them that there's a WORLD finantial crisis. (why do they care, no?)

[Jones31]

As long as owners are tossing out that much money.......... what financial crisis.http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Smilies/cutlersmileyfh9.gif

[Fairweather Fan]

I don't think there were any winners in this trade. Denver lost its franchise QB and Chicago gave up way to much. Chicago is more than a QB away from being a contender and now they won't have a first round pick until 2011. Also there is no telling what kind of contract Cutler is going to want now.

[Jones31]

Chicago lost this trade. 26th in offense last season, 21st in overall defense. I doubt Cutler is there beyond the remainder of this contract.

Denver will survive, but finding another franchise QB might take a while. Orton I think will be able to keep them decent in the meantime.

From the worst division in the AFC to the most mediocre division in the NFC.

[titansikou]

I don't think there were any winners in this trade. Denver lost its franchise QB and Chicago gave up way to much. Chicago is more than a QB away from being a contender and now they won't have a first round pick until 2011. Also there is no telling what kind of contract Cutler is going to want now.

Bears fans are happier than hell though. Check out their message boards (why do THEY still have message boards anyway??). Guys are sayin' stuff like "I'll remember this day the rest of my life".:crazy Now Cutler can throw to... Devon Hester?

[Jones31]

With that O-line..... yeah uh huh.:crazy

[315]

Any quotes from Cutlett yet?

[Toronto]

Any quotes from Cutlett yet?

Nah, he got so excited over going to Chicago his face is still buried in a pizza pie.

[Sect309Fan]

Bears fans are happier than hell though. Check out their message boards (why do THEY still have message boards anyway??). Guys are sayin' stuff like "I'll remember this day the rest of my life".:crazy Now Cutler can throw to... Devon Hester?

Don't forget about Earl Bennett. Earl really helped make Cutler into a first round draft pick. Bennett didn't get a chance to do anything on the field as a rookie last year, but I bet he does now.

And that O-line may be just fine. The Bears picked up Orlando Pace, and Chris Williams should be in good shape to play after suffering major injuries as a rookie last year.

[Toronto]

Don't forget about Earl Bennett. Earl really helped make Cutler into a first round draft pick. Bennett didn't get a chance to do anything on the field as a rookie last year, but I bet he does now.

And that O-line may be just fine. The Bears picked up Orlando Pace, and Chris Williams should be in good shape to play after suffering major injuries as a rookie last year.

Cutler goes from bookend young pro-bowl caliber tackles to Pace (not the 1998 Pace) and Williams? Big dropoff.

He goes two of the best young WRS in Royal and Marshall to Hester and Earl Bennett?

Oh, and let's not forget Shanahan or McDaniels, both great offensive coaches, to Lovie Smith, who would call a 3-0 game sexy.

There are a lot of IFS with Cutler going to Chicago. That being said, I will give you all Bear starting QBs since their 1985 Super Bowl team....

Jim Harbaugh
Erik Kramer
Kyle Orton
Mike Tomczak
Rex Grossman
Jim Miller
Jim McMahon
Shane Matthews
Cade McNown
Chris Chandler
Dave Krieg
Steve Walsh
Steve Stenstrom
Kordell Stewart
Brian Griese
Craig Krenzel
Chad Hutchinson
Peter Tom Willis
Jonathan Quinn
Rick Mirer
Steve Fuller
Mike Hohensee
Doug Flutie
Steve Bradley
Will Furrer
Moses Moreno
Henry Burris

I guess this is why they decided to go for it....:lolhit

[Sect309Fan]

Oh, and let's not forget Shanahan or McDaniels, both great offensive coaches, to Lovie Smith, who would call a 3-0 game sexy.

You do know that the Bears scored more points than the Broncos last year, don't you? :whistling

[Toronto]

You do know that the Bears scored more points than the Broncos last year, don't you? :whistling

Yup. Did that bigtime in September and early October, then fell bigtime.

[Jones31]

Don't forget about Earl Bennett. Earl really helped make Cutler into a first round draft pick. Bennett didn't get a chance to do anything on the field as a rookie last year, but I bet he does now.

And that O-line may be just fine. The Bears picked up Orlando Pace, and Chris Williams should be in good shape to play after suffering major injuries as a rookie last year.

Depends on who you ask about Bennett, word is he can't get separation, coaches have no idea how to use him.

[Sect309Fan]

Yup. Did that bigtime in September and early October, then fell bigtime.

Bears scored 29, 17, 24, 24, 34, 20, 48, 27, 14, 3, 27, 14, 23, 27, 20, 24

Broncos scored 41, 39, 34, 19, 16, 17, 7, 17, 34, 24, 10, 34, 24, 10, 23, 21

I just don't see the big time fall. :unsure

[Sect309Fan]

Depends on who you ask about Bennett, word is he can't get separation, coaches have no idea how to use him.

I am sure Cutler will give them some ideas. :happy

[Toronto]

Bears scored 29, 17, 24, 24, 34, 20, 48, 27, 14, 3, 27, 14, 23, 27, 20, 24

Broncos scored 41, 39, 34, 19, 16, 17, 7, 17, 34, 24, 10, 34, 24, 10, 23, 21

I just don't see the big time fall. :unsure

Maybe it's just because I was watching so many games this year at my network, but I can tell you that the Chicago offense in the 2nd half was terrible. Their season went down the toilet from the Titan loss (21-14, and that was with Rex as QB and the last TD was in dying mins, when we gave up 150 garbage yards), then got destroyed by the Pack, won against the Lions, which we don't count as the lions weren't a NFL team, then got pummelled by the Vikes. So by then, the playoffs were a reach, and the stats started. (6-6 after loss to Vikes)

This was no offensive juggernaut, and that was partially due to injuries, partially due to personnel when healthy. I never get sucked in on stats, and this is a classic case why.

[Sect309Fan]

The Bears definitely struggled to move the ball. Even with Forte, their rushing offense was #24 in the league, and their passing offense was #21.

I just wanted to point out that despite all of that, they still scored more points than the supposed offensive juggarnaut of the Broncos. I am sure their defense helped, giving the Bears good field position after turnovers. But that is still an interesting scoring stat.

[Toronto]

The Bears definitely struggled to move the ball. Even with Forte, their rushing offense was #24 in the league, and their passing offense was #21.

I just wanted to point out that despite all of that, they still scored more points than the supposed offensive juggarnaut of the Broncos. I am sure their defense helped, giving the Bears good field position after turnovers. But that is still an interesting scoring stat.

And then it's also worth mentioning that the Broncos had 6 RBs go on injured reserve last year. That's insane.

[Sect309Fan]

It sure was. Though despite that, their running game was still much higher than the Bear's (#12 vs. #24).

[titan122]

because nobody respected the bears pass game like denvers and also you could say that denvers rushing stats were part due to "THE SYSTEM".

you could also make a gripe that it didnt take long for teams to figure out that forte is a beast so teams were much more ready to defend a better running game. not that a team wouldnt prepare for another teams offense its just that when you hear every other week another rb for the donkeys goes on ir you wouldnt seem to think much of their running ability.

[Sect309Fan]

I find it funny that the media is reporting that Cutler is 13-1 when his defense holds opponents to 21 points or less, like it is some amazing stat.

Kerry Collins went 13-1 in the regular season this year doing that. It isn't that big a deal. Most teams are going to do well when that happens.

[Fairweather Fan]

I find it funny that the media is reporting that Cutler is 13-1 when his defense holds opponents to 21 points or less, like it is some amazing stat.

Kerry Collins went 13-1 in the regular season this year doing that. It isn't that big a deal. Most teams are going to do well when that happens.

That really isn't that bad of a stat. I doubt you could say that about our offense.

[Sect309Fan]

That really isn't that bad of a stat. I doubt you could say that about our offense.

:huh

I am saying just that. Our offense wins just as many games as the Broncos offense does when the defense holds the opponent to 21 points or less.

[Fairweather Fan]

The point I was getting at was that teams only scored over 21 points on us three times. They usually didn't even come close to 21. 21 points is quite a bit to give up and still win the game. I haven't looked at it, but I bet when a team scored more than 14 on us we didn't have a great record.

[Fairweather Fan]

I'm just saying it would be nice if we didn't have to have the great defense we did last year. The offense stepped up quite a bit from the year before, but if we had a little more offense it would take some of the pressure off the D.

[Sect309Fan]

I haven't looked at it, but I bet when a team scored more than 14 on us we didn't have a great record.

The Titans were 3-2 when opponents scored more than 14 points against us. If you include 14 points, the record goes up to 6-2.

Broncos were 6-8 when their opponent scored more than 14 points.

[Fairweather Fan]

Interesting article (http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/huddle_up/posts/60521-kyle-orton-will-throw-more-touchdowns-than-jay-cutler?eref=fromSI) on why Orton could have a better season statistically than Cutler.

[Jones31]

Yeah he could if Denver has no running game.

[Sect309Fan]

Yeah he could if Denver has no running game.

Denver actually had a lot more yards rushing last year than the Bears despite having so many of their backs on IR and the Bears having a potential rookie of the year in Forte.

[Jones31]

That's wasn't a running game. Having 8 players with over 100 yds rushing from your QB to WR's racking up yards doesn't constitute a running game. The more you have is going to inflate numbers.

[Jones31]

"I think the fans are little bit more passionate, not to take anything from Denver, but its just that this franchise has been here a long time."

Anyone want to guess how much heat this quote is getting?
Here's a hint on Cutler today. :cry

[StephenIsLEGEND]

Phahahahaha.
I can see Cutler still finding ways to get the ball to Hester, Bennett and what's-his-face.
Sure, Kyle Orton has weapons, but who is to say he will always hit them?

[GoPats]

I (respectfully) disagree with a lot of you about this. I think the way that Cutler has handled this from day one has been nothing short of pathetic. Maybe it's because I was raised by a Marine, but at this point I wouldn't want Jay Cutler on my football team at all. Forget about mortgaging the next two to five years the way the Bears did.

What justification does he have for acting like a child when he first heard the trade rumors? Who knows if they were even true? At a certain point, the damage is done and it doesn't matter.

Aside from all this... isn't anyone remembering that the Broncos started off great but folded like a laundered bedsheet about halfway through the season? Or that an 8-8 Chargers team somehow ended up winning that division because Cutler and the Broncos couldn't win just one game among a bunch of win-able games? Drew Bledsoe put up Cutler-like numbers plenty of years, but never got the Patriots to the promised land. It took a 6th round draft pick to do that.

Maybe I'm also looking at this from the perspective of a "manager of people," which is a huge part of my job. I'm not sure where the sense of entitlement comes from with some people. The Broncos invested a lot in Jay Cutler, but that didn't necessarily lock him in as their starter for the next 10 years. He's a third-year QB on a crappy team. Who does he think he is? ProBowls are nice, but they're a consolation prize.

One thing's for sure... the NFL has never had a coach as embattled as McDaniels without ever actually coaching in a game!

[Jones31]

If you can see between the lines he went from I want to be traded, to " didn't want to be traded."his reeks of Bus Cook. I bet he promised this kid a fat new contract if he did this. Cook is very, very manipulative when it comes to his QB's. The rest of his clients you don't see this.

[Yvette]

I think the way that Cutler has handled this from day one has been nothing short of pathetic. Maybe it's because I was raised by a Marine, but at this point I wouldn't want Jay Cutler on my football team at all.

A few weeks ago I said all 3 QB's are emo. They're too emotional and it controls them to a certain extent. Bugs the crap out of me. My dad was Air Force and I can still hear him yelling to quit crying. He taught me how to throw a football :)

[barnybyrd]

I hear you, mine was Army. You just didn't act like that, you sucked it up and went on.

[TitansFan23]

I (respectfully) disagree with a lot of you about this. I think the way that Cutler has handled this from day one has been nothing short of pathetic. Maybe it's because I was raised by a Marine, but at this point I wouldn't want Jay Cutler on my football team at all. Forget about mortgaging the next two to five years the way the Bears did.

What justification does he have for acting like a child when he first heard the trade rumors? Who knows if they were even true? At a certain point, the damage is done and it doesn't matter.

Aside from all this... isn't anyone remembering that the Broncos started off great but folded like a laundered bedsheet about halfway through the season? Or that an 8-8 Chargers team somehow ended up winning that division because Cutler and the Broncos couldn't win just one game among a bunch of win-able games? Drew Bledsoe put up Cutler-like numbers plenty of years, but never got the Patriots to the promised land. It took a 6th round draft pick to do that.

Maybe I'm also looking at this from the perspective of a "manager of people," which is a huge part of my job. I'm not sure where the sense of entitlement comes from with some people. The Broncos invested a lot in Jay Cutler, but that didn't necessarily lock him in as their starter for the next 10 years. He's a third-year QB on a crappy team. Who does he think he is? ProBowls are nice, but they're a consolation prize.

One thing's for sure... the NFL has never had a coach as embattled as McDaniels without ever actually coaching in a game!

Would you have wanted John Elway on your team?

He threatened to go play baseball forcing the Colts to trade him to Denver before he even took a snap in the NFL. How that guy had the nerve to actually comment on Cutler is beyond me.

All parties share fault. Bowlen for being too passive and supporting a rookie HC who has yet to do squat at that position in the NFL over his Pro Bowl QB, McDaniels for coming in and alienating that QB, and the QB for not sucking it up and getting over it. If anything, Jay should’ve come back and shoved it in McDaniel’s face by improving on what he did last year and proving he’s better than Cassel.

However, as I have said before, I find more fault with Bowlen and McDaniels than Cutler. Once this whole issue went south, they should have traveled to where Cutler was and made amends, but they didn’t. Bowlen threw his hands in the air, and traded Cutler to the Bears (a team Cutler actually wanted to play for).

I can understand Cutler being embittered because the franchise he played for was looking to trade him after coming off a 4500+ yard Pro Bowl season. Why shouldn’t he feel entitled after coming off a season like that? Name one instance when a young QB coming off that type of a season has been mentioned in trade talks.

Teams lined up to get Cutler for a reason. The Bears gave up so much to acquire him for a reason. You think anyone would be that interested in Cassel? Anyone believe people would be lining up to try and sign Leinart or Young?

The Broncos may have received good value for Cutler in the trade, but in the end, they still lost as far as I’m concerned. QB’s like Cutler don’t come along everyday. Had Orton been the QB last year, the Broncos would’ve never even been in contention to begin with

Lastly, McDaniels brought it on himself, and I have no pity for him. He made his bed, let him sleep in it. The Donks won’t be relevant again anytime soon.

[315]

I think they were worried about his health and didn't have the balls to come out and say it. I think that the diabetes will play a major role as far as Cutlers career is concerned. I know a lot of people live normal lives with diabetes, but I think the rigors of being a NFL QB could be a concern. Diabetes is serious business..

[TitansFan23]

I think they were worried about his health and didn't have the balls to come out and say it. I think that the diabetes will play a major role as far as his career is concerned. I know a lot of people live normal lives with diabetes, but I think the rigors of being a NFL QB could be a concern. Diabetes is serious business..

Could be.

I've heard something mentioned that McDaniels was alarmed by Cutler's drinking?

I'm not too familiar with the intricacies of diabetes, but is it safe for them to consume alcohol regularly?

A lot of alcohol contains sugar, so, I'd think that would be a problem.

[315]

I do know that alot of alcohol isnt any good for someone suffering from it. I mean... I wonder if he could even have problems if he did everything right as far as his health is concerned.

[titansikou]

I'm not too familiar with the intricacies of diabetes, but is it safe for them to consume alcohol regularly?

No.
http://diabetes.webmd.com/drinking-alcohol

[GoPats]

A few weeks ago I said all 3 QB's are emo. They're too emotional and it controls them to a certain extent. Bugs the crap out of me. My dad was Air Force and I can still hear him yelling to quit crying. He taught me how to throw a football :)

You're absolutely right. I'm not sure what happened to the concept of conducting yourself with dignity, but Cutler must have missed that lesson.

A good comparison is the situation with the Red Sox and the Mark Texiera chase. The Sox were very publically going after him despite having a very fan-adored Mike Lowell at third. Lowell is a classy guy. He never made a stink about it when his team was openly trying to upgrade his position. When it didn't work out and Texiera went to the Evil Empire, Lowell just manned up and said, "I understand... it's a business."

Granted, Mike Lowell is a veteran nearing the end of a great career, and Cutler is just hitting his prime. But the stark contrast of how those two reacted as their respective situations played out was hard not to notice.

Here's to military brats Yvette. We may not be perfect, but we don't disgrace ourselves either! LOL...

[GoPats]

Would you have wanted John Elway on your team?

He threatened to go play baseball forcing the Colts to trade him to Denver before he even took a snap in the NFL. How that guy had the nerve to actually comment on Cutler is beyond me.

All parties share fault. Bowlen for being too passive and supporting a rookie HC who has yet to do squat at that position in the NFL over his Pro Bowl QB, McDaniels for coming in and alienating that QB, and the QB for not sucking it up and getting over it. If anything, Jay should’ve come back and shoved it in McDaniel’s face by improving on what he did last year and proving he’s better than Cassel.

However, as I have said before, I find more fault with Bowlen and McDaniels than Cutler. Once this whole issue went south, they should have traveled to where Cutler was and made amends, but they didn’t. Bowlen threw his hands in the air, and traded Cutler to the Bears (a team Cutler actually wanted to play for).

I can understand Cutler being embittered because the franchise he played for was looking to trade him after coming off a 4500+ yard Pro Bowl season. Why shouldn’t he feel entitled after coming off a season like that? Name one instance when a young QB coming off that type of a season has been mentioned in trade talks.

Teams lined up to get Cutler for a reason. The Bears gave up so much to acquire him for a reason. You think anyone would be that interested in Cassel? Anyone believe people would be lining up to try and sign Leinart or Young?

The Broncos may have received good value for Cutler in the trade, but in the end, they still lost as far as I’m concerned. QB’s like Cutler don’t come along everyday. Had Orton been the QB last year, the Broncos would’ve never even been in contention to begin with

Lastly, McDaniels brought it on himself, and I have no pity for him. He made his bed, let him sleep in it. The Donks won’t be relevant again anytime soon.

Elway is a different story all together. I'm not sure you can draw a comparison between a guy who's played three years in one city and a draft-day forced trade.

We simply disagree on this. I respect your opion, but there had to be a reason why the Broncos were willing to trade Cutler. Lack of big-game moxie? Bad attitude or a poor locker room leader? Maybe his public behavior is just the tip of the iceberg and he's nothing but a giant whiner. I don't know. But obviously McDaniels saw something in Cutler he didn't like. And I don't think anyone could reasonably say that McDaniels isn't qualified to evaluate quarterbacks, having coached Brady for several years and helped Cassel become a better-than-average NFL starter (and after he didn't start a game since high school).

Maybe you're a Cutler fan, or a Vandy fan, and you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that I'm not willing to give him. I couldn't disagree more that Bowlen and McDaniels should have "traveled to where Cutler was to make amends." Sorry, but that's ridiculous and only plays into Cutler's childish, pathetic behavior. I don't agree at all that the coach and GM should have tracked him down so they could wipe his tears and give him a glass of milk and a cookie.

I work a very demanding job that pays me a lot less than Cutler makes. Pro atheles often have no grasp of the realities that most people live with on a daily basis. Instead of thanking his lucky stars that all of his wildest childhood dreams have come true and that he's an NFL starter, Cutler cries about his wounded ego and hurt feelings. Give me a break. Toughen up, lollipop. Life isn't always fair, and you've got yourself a situation that almost everyone in the world would take in a heartbeat.

And I'll agree that Cutler is a very talented guy with a big arm, but I think you're taking it a bit too far with the ass-kissing. He hasn't done anything yet except put up some nice numbers, which he did for years at Vandy. (I know their academic standards are high, making it difficult to compete in their conference, but let's face it... no young QB is more used to putting up big numbers in a losing effort than Jay Cutler).

Sometimes it's more about the man than the player. You want Cutler, you can have him. I wouldn't even draft that little crybaby for my fantasy team at this point.

[Yvette]

Would you have wanted John Elway on your team?

He threatened to go play baseball forcing the Colts to trade him to Denver before he even took a snap in the NFL. How that guy had the nerve to actually comment on Cutler is beyond me.
Being a Chefs fan, I LOATHED Elway :D

I thought it was pretty sissified what Elway and Eli did, but I ended up respecting their tactics because it was done before the first snap. They knew what they wanted and went for it. No ongoing drama for the teams afterward.

I haven't given a moment's thought about who's to blame. All I know is Vince Lombardi must be rolling in his grave at all the public emoting going on with NFL players these days. Have some dignity for crying out loud.

[Jones31]

Money is more important than dignity. I'm still firmly entrenched in the belief Bus Cook, cooked up this whole thing. All parties in this were in the wrong, from Bowlen to Cutler.

[TitansFan23]

Elway is a different story all together. I'm not sure you can draw a comparison between a guy who's played three years in one city and a draft-day forced trade.

I agree, it’s pretty hard to compare a guy who whined and cried that he didn’t want to play for the Baltimore Colts, and threatened to pick up his glove and go play baseball if they didn’t give into his demands, with a guy who has at the very least proven himself at the QB position in the NFL; a guy who was content on playing for the team that drafted him, and who didn’t start demanding a trade until the rookie HC came in and put his name on the trade block. There’s no comparison at all really.


We simply disagree on this. I respect your opion, but there had to be a reason why the Broncos were willing to trade Cutler. Lack of big-game moxie? Bad attitude or a poor locker room leader? Maybe his public behavior is just the tip of the iceberg and he's nothing but a giant whiner. I don't know.

That’s a lot of assuming.


But obviously McDaniels saw something in Cutler he didn't like. And I don't think anyone could reasonably say that McDaniels isn't qualified to evaluate quarterbacks, having coached Brady for several years and helped Cassel become a better-than-average NFL starter (and after he didn't start a game since high school).

I won’t speculate on what McDaniels did or didn’t see. What I saw is a guy with absolutely zero head coaching experience go to a team, and instead of being content with the QB his new team had moved up in the draft to take, (a QB that in the 37 games he’s started has put up 762 completions, 9000+ yards and 54 touch-downs) put that 25 year old QB coming off a Pro Bowl season on the trading block for a QB he coached up at New England who previous to 2008 hadn’t started a game since high school (as you already know).


Maybe you're a Cutler fan, or a Vandy fan, and you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that I'm not willing to give him.

No and yes. I’m not a Cutler or Vandy fan, but I am willing to give Jay the benefit of the doubt. I’m not going to sit here and bash a guy who took exception to the fact that the team he’s been loyal to over the past three years decided to try and trade him after coming off the season he had in 2008; especially considering they had no apparent reasons to do so, despite whatever speculation one might want to throw out there to justify them doing it.


I couldn't disagree more that Bowlen and McDaniels should have "traveled to where Cutler was to make amends." Sorry, but that's ridiculous and only plays into Cutler's childish, pathetic behavior. I don't agree at all that the coach and GM should have tracked him down so they could wipe his tears and give him a glass of milk and a cookie.

Wow, such venom. Did Cutler do something to you in another life? You disagree? Fine, apparently so do the Donks, and we’ll see where that gets them.


I work a very demanding job that pays me a lot less than Cutler makes. Pro atheles often have no grasp of the realities that most people live with on a daily basis. Instead of thanking his lucky stars that all of his wildest childhood dreams have come true and that he's an NFL starter, Cutler cries about his wounded ego and hurt feelings. Give me a break. Toughen up, lollipop. Life isn't always fair, and you've got yourself a situation that almost everyone in the world would take in a heartbeat.

This argument gets made all the time, but you know as well as I do that your job and your life can’t be compared to that of a professional athlete. The NFL is full of guys who have been coddled the majority of their adult lives if not the entirety. Guys in the NFL today aren’t like those who pioneered the sport. Current players, especially the younger ones, grew up with parents who lived vicariously through them, surrounded by people who have adored them since Pop Warner if they showed even an iota of talent they obviously possess to make it into the NFL, and that’s just the reality of it; doesn’t mean you have to agree with it, but c’mon, don’t compare your life with theirs. I’m not attempting to paint every athlete with this brush, but the stroke is broad nevertheless.

Yes, there are still plenty of men in the NFL who shut up and do their jobs, but there are also many who complain and bitch and gripe and whine and cry whenever things don’t go their way (believe it or not, there are some people who aren’t professional athletes who do this too). It’s an evolution of the sport if you will, and I have already stated I believe Cutler shares blame in this whole ordeal, but I can also understand where he’s coming from to a certain extent by trying to look at life from his perspective. You’re a Pats fan, and you have a guy on your team who has admitted in the past to taking plays off, and has had his own personal issues on and off the field. He’s a top-tier WR (maybe even the best), but he’s currently on his third team. That doesn’t send up red flags about his character? I bet you still cheer for him though.


And I'll agree that Cutler is a very talented guy with a big arm, but I think you're taking it a bit too far with the ass-kissing.

Not sure where that comment came from. Defending his actions and trying to see his point of view? Yes. Kissing his ass?


He hasn't done anything yet except put up some nice numbers

And Matt Cassel has achieved?


Sometimes it's more about the man than the player. You want Cutler, you can have him. I wouldn't even draft that little crybaby for my fantasy team at this point.

I bet you’d have no problem with Randy Moss on it though. :thumbsup

I think I’ve said enough on this subject, though I will add that I agree with Jones in that Cook probably had much more to do with this than Cutler.

[315]

, though I will add that I agree with Jones in that Cook probably had much more to do with this than Cutler.

As long as one is working for the other, they are one of the same.

[TitansFan23]

As long as one is working for the other, they are one of the same.

Yes, but that doesn't always mean the left hand knows what the right is doing.

[Sect309Fan]

As long as one is working for the other, they are one of the same.

I disagree with that. Cook has his own agenda, and he loves to make media spectacles in furthering that agenda. I really doubt McNair and Cutler really wanted all of the attention they received during their disputes with their former teams (I can't speak for Favre).

[don28]

I believe that Cutler did want to be traded after the trade-that-was-not happened. Bus Cook was doing what his client wanted, which was to force the Broncos hand into getting him out of Denver. I believe the "renegotiated contract" talk was just a bluff to Denver, figuring that they wouldn't go for it.

Jay could have taken this better by not saying anything in the media other than his desire to be traded. I can't fault him for wanting to leave. His coach claimed that he looked forward to working with him, yet was trying to acquire another QB all the while. How honest was Josh McDaniels in his interview with Bowlen that resulted in him getting the job?

How do you look at the Broncos and come to the conclusion that QB is the first position that needs to be revamped? Their defense was dreadful, the running backs were injured, and the offensive line needs to be revamped. I believe that McDaniels thinks very highly of himself, that he's a genius on par with Parcells and Belichick. McDaniels may have a very hard landing once all is said and done. If Denver doesn't make solid picks with what they got in exchange for Cutler, he'll be bagging groceries at Kroger in 2 years.

[315]

I disagree with that. Cook has his own agenda, and he loves to make media spectacles in furthering that agenda. I really doubt McNair and Cutler really wanted all of the attention they received during their disputes with their former teams (I can't speak for Favre).

Then it is on all of them. The agents work for the player and if the player doesnt know what HIS agent is doing in terms of the players career than ALL the ownus goes on the player.

Mcnair could have come back if he wanted to and Farve is a natural born diva. Bus Cook may be a dog... but that only makes his clients puppies.

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[GoPats]

Long but well thought-out post with very reasonable points.

I hope I didn't give you the wrong idea... my apologies if you took anything personally. Like I said, I simply disagree with you here.

I don't think I'm making assumptions when I say that there's something about Cutler that McDaniels didn't like. They were clearly looking to deal him if the price was right. You don't do that with a player you think is going to be the cornerstone of your team.

And you make a good point about Cassel not having done much more than Cutler, but McDaniels knows him. I'm not saying he's a better overall QB, I'm talking about the kind of players you want on your team.

Anyone see "Hoosiers?" Remember when Coach Dale puts only four guys out on the floor just to send a message to his team that he's in charge, and that he won't put up with prima donnas or guys who want to do it their way?

The moment Cutler opened his mouth to the media about the trade, he became the one at fault, in my opinion. I have no reason to dislike him other than this situation, so no... he didn't do anything to me in another life, like you suggested. ;)

I also think this is reflective of a huge problem with people today. No one takes accountability. Everything is always someone else's fault.

I'm sure Cutler will be a successful NFL quarterback. I'm just glad he plays somewhere else.

[TitansFan23]

Well said.

By the way, who's that in your Avatar?

['Nator]

I hope I didn't give you the wrong idea... my apologies if you took anything personally. Like I said, I simply disagree with you here.

I don't think I'm making assumptions when I say that there's something about Cutler that McDaniels didn't like. They were clearly looking to deal him if the price was right. You don't do that with a player you think is going to be the cornerstone of your team.

And you make a good point about Cassel not having done much more than Cutler, but McDaniels knows him. I'm not saying he's a better overall QB, I'm talking about the kind of players you want on your team.

Anyone see "Hoosiers?" Remember when Coach Dale puts only four guys out on the floor just to send a message to his team that he's in charge, and that he won't put up with prima donnas or guys who want to do it their way?

The moment Cutler opened his mouth to the media about the trade, he became the one at fault, in my opinion. I have no reason to dislike him other than this situation, so no... he didn't do anything to me in another life, like you suggested. ;)

I also think this is reflective of a huge problem with people today. No one takes accountability. Everything is always someone else's fault.

I'm sure Cutler will be a successful NFL quarterback. I'm just glad he plays somewhere else.

Simple. You have a new 32 year old "offensive genius" coach in town and before he calls a single team meeting, before he knows anything about his new teams locker room, he is on the horn trying to get his noodle armed backup "system" QB from NE to show what a big time Genius he is.

I'd be pissed too if I was Cutler. Appeals to military families, simpler times, Hoosiers, apple pie and all that hokey stuff aside, I don't even think what Cutler did was that bad. You want me gone and you do not even know me? Fine. Trade me. Simple as that.

Bottom line, the guys teammates love him and that's what matters most. You do not hear a thing about him off the field either. He is very active and hands on with his charity. He is the most all around physically gifted QB in the league. And he's smart. The Bronco's will rue the day.

The Bears gave up Orton, who they didn't need anymore, their 1st turns into Cutler, and then a 3rd rounder. Since they had a compensatory 3rd from the Berrian FA loss, that was a wash. So if you look at it that way, they gave up a first next year for a franchise QB who threw for 4500 yards and 25TD in only his 2nd full year as a starter. Thats well worth it.

Plus GM Jerry Angelo sucks at first round picks (check the past) and gets most of his draft gems in the mid rounds, which are picks they have.


If Orton can throw 18tds and nearly 3,000 yards for that same team, Cutler can throw for 3500 and 25. They already improved their Oline, Forte is a stud, their TE's are great and that somewhat offsets their lack of talent at WR. Orton was unable to hit Hester deep. Cutler will not have that problem.

Their defense was elite against the run and horrible against the pass. The thing that still made them a feared defense though is their ability to cause turnovers. They were 2nd. Lovie teaches that better than anyone. And their special teams give them the best starting field position in the league (the last 3 years).

Jay Cutler makes the Bears a clear playoff team. Depending how the rest of the off season shakes out -- if they can improve their pass D, they can be an elite team in the AFC.

This will be Cutlers 3rd year as a starter in the NFL.

HUGE, HUGE win for the Bears overall.

Are you Cutler deniers going to be here all season?

[Yvette]

For the record, I would have pissed off too. Nice post Nator and great to read you again. Your Bears will be better because of him.

I think Pacman, TO, VY, Favre, et al have done me in with drama. I just don't seem to have any tolerance left.

[Sect309Fan]

Jay Cutler makes the Bears a clear playoff team. Depending how the rest of the off season shakes out -- if they can improve their pass D, they can be an elite team in the AFC.

I hope not. We have enough teams in the AFC already without the Bears trying to compete with us. :p

Though seriously, using Jay Cutler and playoffs in the same sentence is pretty risky. I'll believe it when I see it.

['Nator]

That is how good Jay Culter is dude.

He can rule a conference that his team doesn't even belong to!

[titansikou]

CHICAGO—Anticipating that new Bears quarterback Jay Cutler will need more targets than converted cornerback Devin Hester and undersized journeyman Rashied Davis—the only receivers on their squad who have ever caught an NFL pass—the Chicago Bears signed a tire swing to their roster Tuesday. "We are expecting great things from this tire swing once the tire and Cutler get some practice time and develop some chemistry," receivers coach Darryl Drake said of the six-year-old Goodyear all-season radial suspended from a tree branch by a 7-foot length of rope. "This could easily be the best quarterback-receiver duo in recent Bears history." Analysts say that, while the move is somewhat unorthodox, Chicago was prudent in passing on veteran free agents Amani Toomer and Joe Jurevicius in favor of offering the tire swing a 3-year, $2.4 million contract.

Source (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/roster_depleted_bears_sign?utm_source=most_pop_rec ent)

[TitansFan23]

The Bears know what they're doing.

That tire swing still has some tread left on it.

[pookha]

Then it is on all of them. The agents work for the player and if the player doesnt know what HIS agent is doing in terms of the players career than ALL the ownus goes on the player.

Mcnair could have come back if he wanted to and Farve is a natural born diva. Bus Cook may be a dog... but that only makes his clients puppies.

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oh heck i may regret this..

the one and only offer they made to steve was more in the realm for a back up qb.
according to several sources steve was willing to do a back and forth negotiation but the titans were like no that is our only offers.\steve also wanted to start for another season but i think we see now that bud wanted vince out on the field as soon as possible if they drafted him..


i really believe that floyd as much or more so then bus was responsible for the bad blood escalating so fast.

as for elway..
as much as i adrmire him as a qb he had a big prima dona rep.
not just when he was drafted but for getting reeves fired later on.
cutler wasnt the first qb that the broncos tried to trade that left people scratching their heads.

[315]

I dont know that I believe that about McNair. The master plan was for McNair to mentor VY and when the Mcnair deal went south I think was the begining of the loosening of the lug nuts to the VY project which the wheels eventually came off.

If it wasnt for Bus Cook... i think something could have been worked out... like I said, Mcnair was part of the master plan.

[pookha]

the master plan in the mind of us fans.
very possibly never in the mind of bud.. especially as far as steve starting for an entire season and then working in vince during the second year.
that would have been my plan.
but that the titans never made second offer has been said by people in the media and i dont think it all came from bus.

vince probably wouldnt have started as early if steve had played but i just have a feeling bud wanted to see him the first year.

[GoPats]

Well said.

By the way, who's that in your Avatar?

Thanks, you too. :thumbsup

The guy in my av is my pop. Passed away last November, RIP.

[GoPats]

Are you Cutler deniers going to be here all season?

Yup. Never had any problem admitting it when I was wrong, and this won't be any different if I am.

Let me ask you though... hypothetically...

What if it wasn't Josh McDaniels? What if it was Cowlher, or some other coach with a longer resume?

['Nator]

You mean like Shannahan? He loved Cutler. He was a proven coach with 2 super bowls.

Theres the rub eh? They (those type coaches) wouldn't have tried to trade a 25 year old mega talent. They know how hard that type of guy is to come by. Cutler is way, way talented. Like Elway, Marino, Steve Young talented. Like all time QB talent in terms of pure ability. He has the arm, legs, head and competitive nature.


Cowher, Fisher, Parcells, ect. never would have done that.


A guy like McDaniels is young and dumb enough to think he can do most of it himself. His system. His system QB ect. ect. The last thing that team needed was a QB. That defense was crap! Does anyone know, did he even meet with his team, share his vision, try to get to know that locker room before he attempted to trade their 25 year old "pro bowl" quaterback?

Cassell is going to flop in KC without Randy Moss, Wes Welker and the defense and coaching. And I think that kid in KC, the other KC QB Thigpen looked really good at the end of the year. I don't even know if he (Cassell) is that much better than what they had. Give that Thigpen kid Randy Moss, Welker ect. and take a look at his stats. Hell, take a look at what he did in KC with Bowe and those guys, his stats were similar to Cassells (I know stats aren't everything).

I was really impressed with Thigpen. In fact, I'll make a bold prediction. I bet Cassell gets YANKED at some point not because of injury but performance. That will be a big story in the NFL this year. Matt Cassell, the system QB flop.

I mean Derek Anderson had a hell of a season 2 years back when the conditions were right in Cleveland and nobody will take that guy off Clevelands hands now. Give a QB with a decent arm and head an OL and some targets and every now and then Captain average will have a pro bowl season. Thats what happened with Cassell, Anderson and going on back through recent NFL history how many cats out there have had excellent seasons when the conditions where right? Just off the top of my head, remember Steve Bono?

[GoPats]

You mean like Shannahan? He loved Cutler. He was a proven coach with 2 super bowls.

Theres the rub eh? They (those type coaches) wouldn't have tried to trade a 25 year old mega talent. They know how hard that type of guy is to come by. Cutler is way, way talented. Like Elway, Marino, Steve Young talented. Like all time QB talent in terms of pure ability. He has the arm, legs, head and competitive nature.

Cowher, Fisher, Parcells, ect. never would have done that.

A guy like McDaniels is young and dumb enough to think he can do most of it himself. His system. His system QB ect. ect. The last thing that team needed was a QB. That defense was crap! Does anyone know, did he even meet with his team, share his vision, try to get to know that locker room before he attempted to trade their 25 year old "pro bowl" quaterback?

Cassell is going to flop in KC without Randy Moss, Wes Welker and the defense and coaching. And I think that kid in KC, the other KC QB Thigpen looked really good at the end of the year. I don't even know if he (Cassell) is that much better than what they had. Give that Thigpen kid Randy Moss, Welker ect. and take a look at his stats. Hell, take a look at what he did in KC with Bowe and those guys, his stats were similar to Cassells (I know stats aren't everything).

I was really impressed with Thigpen. In fact, I'll make a bold prediction. I bet Cassell gets YANKED at some point not because of injury but performance. That will be a big story in the NFL this year. Matt Cassell, the system QB flop.

I mean Derek Anderson had a hell of a season 2 years back when the conditions were right in Cleveland and nobody will take that guy off Clevelands hands now. Give a QB with a decent arm and head an OL and some targets and every now and then Captain average will have a pro bowl season. Thats what happened with Cassell, Anderson and going on back through recent NFL history how many cats out there have had excellent seasons when the conditions where right? Just off the top of my head, remember Steve Bono?

I can't believe anyone would put Cutler in the same sentence with Marino, Elway, and Young with a straight face. Did I miss about six or seven years of the NFL at some point? So he made the Pro Bowl... so what? That makes him a once-in-a-lifetime find?

Just come clean now... are you a Vandy alum? It's okay to admit it.

Besides, this isn't about Matt Cassel. You're probably wrong about him too but that's completely a moot point. How many full games did you get to see Cassel play this year? Two or three at best?

You avoided the question entirely, by the way. I asked it as a hypothetical, so saying "they'd never do that" is a cop-out.

If you really wanna put your money where you mouth is, let's make it a siggy/avatar bet. I'll bet you that Cassel will start all 16 games for KC (based on his level of play... if he misses time due to injury, bets are off).

Loser uses an avatar chosen at the discretion of the winner for the entire offseason next year.

Let me know if you want some of that action. :thumbsup

['Nator]

I'll take the bet with the Bears and 10 games (barring Cutler injury). KC may continue to play Cassell just because of the money they gave him no matter how poorly he plays.

Cutler threw for 4500 yards and 25tds in his 2nd season as a starter. His arm, his athleticism, all the measurables in terms of his talent is right there with the all time greats in terms of talent. He has the best arm in the NFL and he is really mobile but he runs to throw. Does he have a long way to go? Of course! This will be his 3rd season as a starter in the NFL! I never said he was already an all time great.

I copped out? First of all your question was akward. Its like asking "How would Bill Cowher have coached the Steelers minus a mustache while adding a vagina". It doesn't make sense. The entire reason McDaniels wanted Cutler out was to bring in HIS guy, the guy he coached in his system. For Cowher to have wanted Cutler out it would have been for entirely different reasons and would involve Cutler behaving in an entirely different manner. It would be "Bizarro world Cutler vs. Bizarro world Cowher".

I gave an example, his veteran super bowl winning coach loved him. Thats as close to empircal evidence as you can come to with the way you worded your question.

I am not a Vandy alum (but its a compliment to be mistaken for one) but I am a Vandy fan. I am also a Chicago Bears fan.

I followed the Broncos as my 2nd team until the Titans arrived in Nashville (I loved John Elway). I followed them less so, but still, when the Titans arrived.

I saw Cassell play at least 5 or 6 complete games. He is a decent QB who plays with his head, has an average arm, slightly above average mobility. There are 20 QBs in the NFL like him.

Something to add, Cutlers interception percentage is identical to Ortons. Orton has the reputation as a "game manager" that doesn't make mistakes while Cutler is supposedly wild. He thre 18picks but threw the ball 600+ times often while trying to play catch up with defenses knowing he is going to throw.

[GoPats]

I am not a Vandy alum (but its a compliment to be mistaken for one) but I am a Vandy fan. I am also a Chicago Bears fan.

Aaaahhh-ha!

That, right there, is the most important thing you've posted in this entire thread. If you had simply said so up front, you would have saved us all a lot of time! :lolhit

Let me just say this once...

It's OK to have biases. In some way they're the basis of opinion. Here I am thinking I'm trying to talk to a completely neutral individual, when the truth is that you have double the personal rooting interests in this scenario. Your golden boy from Vandy playing for your #1 NFL team? You must be on cloud nine. No wonder you got all upset when I started to rain on your parade!

[Sect309Fan]

I am a huge Vandy fan, and I think Cutler has been a big disappointment in the NFL. He turned Denver into pre-2008 Vandy, winning a bunch of early games and faltering when it was needed for the postseason.

Cutler has never been a winner, and I just don't know if he will ever overcome it. He may throw for 5000 yards in a season like Drew Brees, but if it doesn't get you in the playoffs, is it really that big an accomplishment?

I have little faith in Cutler as an NFL QB. I think he will last at most 5 more years, and I doubt he ever wins a playoff game.

[GoPats]

One may also ask who this once-in-a-lifetime talent at QB is going to throw the ball to. Devin Hester? Good luck with that. He'll run a 10-yard slant and end up in the parking lot.

The Onion has this covered:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/roster_depleted_bears_sign

I wonder what number Tire Swing will wear?

[Yvette]

KC may continue to play Cassell just because of the money they gave him no matter how poorly he plays.
King Carl Peterson: Rich Gannon vs $8 million Elvis Grlbac. The $8 million man won then promptly lost it all. I hate Carl. Forever.

Scott Pioli: I'm betting on common sense reigning this time.

[Jones31]

I am a huge Vandy fan, and I think Cutler has been a big disappointment in the NFL. He turned Denver into pre-2008 Vandy, winning a bunch of early games and faltering when it was needed for the postseason.

Cutler has never been a winner, and I just don't know if he will ever overcome it. He may throw for 5000 yards in a season like Drew Brees, but if it doesn't get you in the playoffs, is it really that big an accomplishment?

I have little faith in Cutler as an NFL QB. I think he will last at most 5 more years, and I doubt he ever wins a playoff game.

Yeah it was all his fault. :crazy
Yeah one person makes a team a winner. :lolhit

[Sect309Fan]

One may also ask who this once-in-a-lifetime talent at QB is going to throw the ball to. Devin Hester? Good luck with that. He'll run a 10-yard slant and end up in the parking lot.

Earl Bennett really helped make Jay Cutler into a first round draft pick. I think Earl has to be the happiest person on the Bears' team right now. Cutler and Jay just had such a great connection at Vandy.

[TitansFan23]

I am a huge Vandy fan, and I think Cutler has been a big disappointment in the NFL. He turned Denver into pre-2008 Vandy, winning a bunch of early games and faltering when it was needed for the postseason.

Cutler has never been a winner, and I just don't know if he will ever overcome it. He may throw for 5000 yards in a season like Drew Brees, but if it doesn't get you in the playoffs, is it really that big an accomplishment?

I have little faith in Cutler as an NFL QB. I think he will last at most 5 more years, and I doubt he ever wins a playoff game.

Man, that's harsh.

I sense a little animosity there 309. Surely you're not sore because he never lead Vandy to a bowl. I mean, c'mon, it's Vandy.

As far as what he's done to this point in the NFL, I hope you guys aren't pinning the Broncos woes squarely on Cutler. The Donks D was horrendous, and their RB squad was an infirmary by seasons end.

You can take Collins, Young and Ramsey and I'd take Cutler over all of them combined.

['Nator]

This is the first dumb thing Ive read 309 say in 10 years. Big dissapointment? 2nd year as a starter. 4500 yards. 25 tds. Horrible defense. 8 different running backs. 87 career QB rating. Lost 30 pounds due to undiagnosed diabetes in 07, still threw for 3,500 yards and 20TDs in his first year starting in the NFL. Cmon man!


A bust throws more picks than TDs, shows a lack of ability to make NFL throws, and an inability to progress from year to year.

For complete bust see: Young. Vince.


I am a huge UNC basketball fan but I dont care much for Rasheed Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse anymore. When my college guys go pro I don't follow their careers that closely or root for them beyond a certain point. I am happy to have Cutler because of his talent and ability. The fact that he is a Vandy guy is icing on the cake.

Hester, who garnered nearly 700 yards recieving last year despite missing 2 games -- and who played as a deep threat without a QB who could throw the deep ball, will tear it up (they won a game against NO based on two Hester 50 yard pass interference penalties he drew on badly underthrown Orton "bombs". He was open all year deep. Ortons arm is strong enough but he has no touch on the deep ball at all.

The Bears TE tandem of Olsen and Clark lessens the blow of not having very good recievers. Bennett should be ready to go in his 2nd season, and then whoever they get in FA and the draft the fill out the roster. Plus Forte is a great target out of the backfield.

Orton missed a game, threw for almost 3,000 yards and 18tds to these same guys. If he can do that, Cutler can do 3,500 and 25. Plus, no more stacking the box. His overall effect on the game will be immeasurable.

[Sect309Fan]

This is the first dumb thing Ive read 309 say in 10 years. Big dissapointment? 2nd year as a starter. 4500 yards. 25 tds. Horrible defense. 8 different running backs. 87 career QB rating. Lost 30 pounds due to undiagnosed diabetes in 07, still threw for 3,500 yards and 20TDs in his first year starting in the NFL. Cmon man!.

He isn't a bust. He is just continuing his college career as a pretty good passer that doesn't make the people around him a whole lot better. Peyton Manning took a terrible team with no defense and made them into constant playoff contenders.

One was a winner in college and one wasn't. One is a winner in the NFL and one isn't. There is just something about winning that the best quarterbacks can accomplish and the other guys can't.

Drew Bledsoe was an awsome stat QB. But he couldn't take the Patriots anywhere. Tom Brady comes in, and they win 3 Super Bowls. Brady isn't the greatest when it comes to stats. But he knows how to win. Big Ben has even worse stats, but he knows how to get those tough wins in the final quarter.

I just don't see Jay Cutler ever getting that winning mentality. He never has had, and I nothing I have seen in his three years as a QB shows that he will.

Great quarterbacks find ways to win.

[Jones31]

I'm pretty sure Bledsoe took NE to a Super Bowl.


One was a winner in college and one wasn't. One is a winner in the NFL and one isn't. There is just something about winning that the best quarterbacks can accomplish and the other guys can't.
So I suppose by that statement Matt Leinart is a complete opposite.

Seriously Cutler has his flaws, but he's not the reason why the Broncos have failed to make the playoff no matter how much you want to believe or the direct cause of the bullspit 17-20 record.

['Nator]

Dude he played for Vanderbilt. And has started in the pros for two years.

Vanderbilt. Where a single game over .500 is a LEGENDARY season. Absolutely legendary!

It is completly unfair and kind of silly to punish him for that. Other than Vanderbilt, he has started for 2 years in the NFL. In those two years his team has been 28th and 30th in defensive points allowed. You really do not have a good, fair body of work from which to judge if he is a "winner" or not.

That all we heard about VY. He "just wins". Turns out he "just sucks ass". The guy is a dimwit who cannot make the throws at the pro level.

There is something else going on with you and Cutler here 309. I think maybe you commited so much to Young when the Titans drafted him and then after his rookie year, that you are now tired of hearing about Cutler, who clearly was the best QB of that draft and whom the Titans should have picked.

Its funny you mentioned Manning who is a legendary choker in most of the biggest games through college and onto the pro's save for a single year when he finally found the man, Rex Grossman, who is worse under pressure than he is.

[barnybyrd]

I am a huge Vandy fan, and I think Cutler has been a big disappointment in the NFL. He turned Denver into pre-2008 Vandy, winning a bunch of early games and faltering when it was needed for the postseason.

Cutler has never been a winner, and I just don't know if he will ever overcome it. He may throw for 5000 yards in a season like Drew Brees, but if it doesn't get you in the playoffs, is it really that big an accomplishment?

I have little faith in Cutler as an NFL QB. I think he will last at most 5 more years, and I doubt he ever wins a playoff game.

Don't really care where Cutler went, but a defense that gives up 448 points doesn't help the W-L total.

[TitansFan23]

If you were to take the 2008 Broncos defense and RB core, and exchange them with those of the three championship teams Brady lead, or the two Roethlisberger lead, or the one Manning lead, do you honestly believe those teams would still have the hardware right now?

Not me.

[Sect309Fan]

Its funny you mentioned Manning who is a legendary choker in most of the biggest games through college and onto the pro's save for a single year when he finally found the man, Rex Grossman, who is worse under pressure than he is.

If Manning is a legendary choker, than Cutler is the greatest choker of all time. Cutler could not beat a winless MTSU team. He could not beat a terrible 49ers team at home to make the playoffs in 2006. He could not beat a horrible Bills teams at home to make the playoffs in 2008.

Manning may choke in big games. But Cutler is far worse. He chokes aginst inferior competition in games that decide whether his team makes the postseason or not.

[Jones31]

If Manning is a legendary choker, than Cutler is the greatest choker of all time. Cutler could not beat a winless MTSU team. He could not beat a terrible 49ers team at home to make the playoffs in 2006. He could not beat a horrible Bills teams at home to make the playoffs in 2008.

Manning may choke in big games. But Cutler is far worse. He chokes aginst inferior competition in games that decide whether his team makes the postseason or not.

Good god this is a huge reach. The Bills racked up 30 points on the Broncos I'm pretty sure the defense had a hand in that loss.

Maybe you'd like Cutler to go block Nedney's FG to win that game in 2006. Since you know Cutler's late drive tied the game.

[Sect309Fan]

If you were to take the 2008 Broncos defense and RB core, and exchange them with those of the three championship teams Brady lead, or the two Roethlisberger lead, or the one Manning lead, do you honestly believe those teams would still have the hardware right now?

Not me.

They probably would be in the playoffs. The running game last year was a lot better than people realized. They went through a ton of running backs, but they outrushed many teams, like the Bears and Matt Forte.

[Jones31]

They probably would be in the playoffs. The running game last year was a lot better than people realized. They went through a ton of running backs, but they outrushed many teams, like the Bears and Matt Forte.

Another reach let look at playoff teams that gave up more than 21 points per game.
Arizona Cardinals
Man rushing numbers are inflated by everyone that ever touched the ball more than once having more than 200yds.

[Sect309Fan]

Good god this is a huge reach. The Bills racked up 30 points on the Broncos I'm pretty sure the defense had a hand in that loss.

Maybe you'd like Cutler to go block Nedney's FG to win that game in 2006. Since you know Cutler's late drive tied the game.

Cutler had a hand in both losses too. He threw a late interception while in scoring range against the Bills. Against the 49ers, all he had to do was play for the tie in OT, and they would have been in the playoffs. Instead he just kept throwing incomplete passes, stopping the clock long enough for the 49ers to drive and win that game.

Cutler certainly isn't the main reason the Broncos haven't made the playoffs. Their defense has gotten a lot worse once he started playing. They were really good before then, which makes you wonder if there is a connection.

Before Cutler - great running game and great defense, but average QB play. Since Cutler - great QB play, but running game and defense have degenerated each year. Obviously coaching is a factor as well. It just appears that the team has done so much to make Cutler into a great passer that they neglected the rest of the team. I can't understand why it happened that way. I can only say it did happen.

[pookha]

Yup. Never had any problem admitting it when I was wrong, and this won't be any different if I am.

Let me ask you though... hypothetically...

What if it wasn't Josh McDaniels? What if it was Cowlher, or some other coach with a longer resume?

cowher at least has a longer track record so yeah it would be different.
frankly with the track record of the other new england assistants i dont see how josh has been declared the new messiah already.

and one thing interesting is just how under the radar the gm of the broncos
xander has been during this entire mess.

for him.. well there is this interesting article here..
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/feb/19/ex-boss-questions-new-broncos-gm-xanders/


and i still dont see how any one can lay the blame mostly on cutler for what happened out in denver.
the defense for three seasons collapsed.
the running game this season seemed to be played by a bunch of star trek red shirts.

the wr's were not that much better off.

yeah he has some blame but a lot of stuff out there was a mess.

and sorry looking at notre dame, cleveland and the jets after that first season,,'they may not be getting better.

[Jones31]

Cutler had a hand in both losses. He threw a late interception while in scoring range against the Bills. Against the 49ers, all he had to do was play for the tie in OT, and they would have been in the playoffs. Instead he just kept throwing incomplete passes, stopping the clock long enough for the 49ers to drive and win that game.

Cutler certainly isn't the main reason the Broncos haven't made the playoffs. Their defense has gotten a lot worse once he started playing. They were really good before then, which makes you wonder if there is a connection.

Before Cutler - great running game and great defense, but average QB play. Since Cutler - great QB play, but running game and defense have degenerated each year. Obviously coaching is a factor as well. It just appears that the team has done so much to make Cutler into a great passer that they neglected the rest of the team. I can't understand why it happened that way. I can only say it did happen.

Yes, god forbid a team not play for the win themselves.... maybe the defense should make a stop to keep another team out of scoring range.
You sound worse than Texas fans comparing a good QB to a below average QB. You're only looking to make Cutler a scape goat for Denver's short coming on the defensive side of the ball. Broncos fans weren't even that dumb.

[Old Oilers Fan]

Did anyone see the latest Bang Cartoon? http://www.bangcartoon.com/2008/delivery.htm

:lol

[TitansFan23]

Did anyone see the latest Bang Cartoon? http://www.bangcartoon.com/2008/delivery.htm

:lol

Hilarious! :lmao