Start vy poll?

[TitanPop]

Just a Yes / No / IDK / I Don't Care

I haven't voted yet and will wait for a few days until I cool off!

[Titans and Turtles]

I voted yes.

We might win with VY, we will not with KC. And even if VY is as bad or worse than KC, we'll need to gauge if VY can be our QB next year or if we need to draft one.

The only reason in the world to still start KC is if you believe we still have a shot at making the playoffs and you think KC is the best way to do so. And I really have trouble seeing that as the way things are.

[TitanPop]

I voted yes.

We might win with VY, we will not with KC. And even if VY is as bad or worse than KC, we'll need to gauge if VY can be our QB next year or if we need to draft one.

The only reason in the world to still start KC is if you believe we still have a shot at making the playoffs and you think KC is the best way to do so. And I really have trouble seeing that as the way things are.

Britt looked very good out there today, if we can get that out of Cook too, that would be great. Has Rob's leg gotten weaker? His kickoffs just don't look all that deep anymore. Mark Jones was adequate, if he was back there last we the team would be 1-3 right now. The defense looks lost and confused half the time, someone needs to fire their arses up! Kerry's passes were everywhere but in our WRs hands, except Britt. I think I'm going to give mine some blue hair using some of the pom poms I have, should get the cameras pointed my way.......... haha!

Anyomn else going to do this?

Maybe instead of pulling Kerry entirely, mix it up, WTF they got to lose at this point. At least make the game entertaining, all the blue bags should look good on Monday Night Football, I can just here can't talk Collinsworthless now, "Titan's Fans are looking a little Blue tonight"


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/TitanPop/bluepaperbag.jpg

I have some blue paint, bring your bags and we can get them painted and dried by game time. We have to show our displeasure with what the TEAM is doing right now, and this game will give us a National Stage.

[LB]

Titans should release Collins and sign back Ramsey as the backup to VY....but that isnt realistic considering the moronic contract they signed Collins to when they handed him the starting job

[deklin]

I honestly think Fisher genuinely believes we will be worse off with Young. He's the one who's seeing him at practice and he's still not starting him and continues to ignore the questions and refuses to comment on his progression – I mean, he's stubborn, but he's not stupid. Is it possible that VY is simply worse than KC? It's not that inconceivable.

[Titans and Turtles]

I honestly think Fisher genuinely believes we will be worse off with Young. He's the one who's seeing him at practice and he's still not starting him and continues to ignore the questions and refuses to comment on his progression –*I mean, he's stubborn, but he's not stupid. Is it possible that VY is simply worse than KC? It's not that inconceivable.


My point, and the one others are trying to make, is that it's irrelevant whether VY is better than KC at this point. This season is lost, starting KC is not winning, and we need to make a decision about VY and the qb position in general. There is no value in playing KC when we will not make the playoffs this year and there is no chance he will be our QB in the future.

We need to play VY because:

1) We need to see if he can be our QB, or if we need to draft/acquire one next offseason.
2) It would take a high-holy miracle for this team to actually bounce back and make a run at the playoffs. Is there anyone, anyone at all, who truly believes a crazy miracle where we change our entire season around is more likely to occur with KC at the helm then changing QBs to VY? Even the biggest VY hater on this board would acknowledge that VY has a potential for crazy wierd things to happen not present in Collins.

[TitanPop]

My point, and the one others are trying to make, is that it's irrelevant whether VY is better than KC at this point. This season is lost, starting KC is not winning, and we need to make a decision about VY and the qb position in general. There is no value in playing KC when we will not make the playoffs this year and there is no chance he will be our QB in the future.

We need to play VY because:

1) We need to see if he can be our QB, or if we need to draft/acquire one next offseason.
2) It would take a high-holy miracle for this team to actually bounce back and make a run at the playoffs. Is there anyone, anyone at all, who truly believes a crazy miracle where we change our entire season around is more likely to occur with KC at the helm then changing QBs to VY? Even the biggest VY hater on this board would acknowledge that VY has a potential for crazy wierd things to happen not present in Collins.

My thoughts as well. Is he franchise material or just another bust, the team needs to know very soon.

[TitansGiantsBears]

I'm torn about it. On one hand, the Titans need to know where Vince stands right now with the big bucks looming next year. I'm not ready to give up on the season just yet though. The team has shown it can with Kerry behind center. Remember this team was 13-3 last year. Of course they had a defense then too, but I digress. Just as this team has lost four in a row, it's certianly possible we'll be here at the midway point in the season at 3-5 or 4-4 even. If that's the case then they have an outside shot at a wildcard. I think the season's lost as far as competing for a divisional title, but if they can get the ship righted this team is capable of putting together a pretty good streak and still finish with a decent record.

I say hold off on Vince until we know the season is over. I don't believe he gives the team a better chance at winning right now than Kerry does, even at this point. If we're sitting at 0-6 or 0-7, then yeah bring Vince in and let's see what we have.

[Mike McFan]

I voted yes. But almost hit the "don't care anymore" button.
Somebody PLEASE give me a reason to go to the Colts game Sunday night.:sad

[Sect309Fan]

I voted yes. But almost hit the "don't care anymore" button.
Somebody PLEASE give me a reason to go to the Colts game Sunday night.:sad

You have a chance to see what a real offense is like. ;)

Plus the "Vince Young" chants will be awesome. The booing might be fun as well.

[zonian]

I voted yes. But almost hit the "don't care anymore" button.
Somebody PLEASE give me a reason to go to the Colts game Sunday night.:sad

:D I'll be there...

[Jones31]

I voted don't care, only because I don't make decisions, coach said Collins gives us the best chance to win. By the time he makes a change it will be too late. If it isn't already.

[Parddy]

We might as well start him. We need to figure out what to do with the first pick in the draft. Titans on the clock.

[TTP77]

Whatever your answer is I don't want to hear another damn thing about Vince quitting against the Jags last year. The whole team quit yesterday or at least the better part of it. Whether we start Vince or not this team has bigger issues than inconsistent play at the QB position.

[Parddy]

The whole team quit yesterday or at least the better part of it.


How could they quit? They never showed up.

[Jones31]

I was watching some of the video from the locker room yesterday, they looked like a defeated team. In more ways than one.

[TTP77]

How could they quit? They never showed up.

There were a select few who didn't quit. Kenny Britt, CJ, Nate Washington, Gage, and even Kerry didn't quit. Tony Brown, Keith Bulluck, William Hayes, and the rook DB's just to name a few on defense. You can't have a select few show up to play and expect them to carry the team.

[deklin]

My point, and the one others are trying to make, is that it's irrelevant whether VY is better than KC at this point. This season is lost, starting KC is not winning, and we need to make a decision about VY and the qb position in general. There is no value in playing KC when we will not make the playoffs this year and there is no chance he will be our QB in the future.

We need to play VY because:

1) We need to see if he can be our QB, or if we need to draft/acquire one next offseason.
2) It would take a high-holy miracle for this team to actually bounce back and make a run at the playoffs. Is there anyone, anyone at all, who truly believes a crazy miracle where we change our entire season around is more likely to occur with KC at the helm then changing QBs to VY? Even the biggest VY hater on this board would acknowledge that VY has a potential for crazy wierd things to happen not present in Collins.

Yeah I guess you're right. I suppose I'm in denial about the playoffs being all but lost. I do think that the second half/4th qr was an ideal time to try out VY and I cannot make sense of why we didn't, even with my most conservative and in-denial hat on.

[TitansFan370]

I voted no. This team's problems are much more than the quarterback of record. Neither Kerry Collins nor Vince Young can lead this team successfully. I would rather have a new GM, Coach and new Quarterback not on the team as of now. Fisher's defensive strategy(whether Schwartz or Cecile) is antiquated. No pass rush and no mid level pass defense. All other NFL teams can dink and dunk us to death.

So fixing one position out of 53 on the team will not solve our problem. It is indeed time for a change to GM and Coaching Staff.

[Titanico]

I stick to no.

I don't see Vince Young as our answer. Unless he has advanced tons in his accuracy and passing technique.

[titan122]

I wanted to Vince after half time yesterday. kfc-make a drive, throw a pick. cj-make a descent run, fumble the ball. kfc- make a drive, throw a pick. I dont know if Vince would have been any better since I am sure he did not prepare but just the thought of someone that can MAKE A PLAY and not just manage to get your tail kicked becaue there is no rythem with the offense and our D cant stop anybody.

we have such a good run D because nobody tries to run it more than 10-12 times a game becaue they know they can just throw it where ever they want. the jags offense looked like they were one of the best in the league yesterday and they were missing 2 starters on O line and have no wr's to speak of. but yet garrard throws for 300+ yds.

[utkjoe]

I stick to no.

I don't see Vince Young as our answer. Unless he has advanced tons in his accuracy and passing technique.

I agree, but how are we going to know that if he isn't out there showing us what he's got? We need to start thinking about who is going to QB this team for the next few years. I say give Vince one last chance to claim that spot, if he can't then we cut him and draft the best QB we can.

But we should at least give him this shot. He had so much potential.

[Fairweather Fan]

Maybe Fisher wants to use this as training opportunity for Vince. Thus far Kerry has done a much better job dealing with adversity than VY did. We will see what happens when Collins gets booed this Sunday. I just wish I could be here to see it. It may be a good thing I am going to be out of country with no Titans football the next couple of weeks.

[wari0]

I hate to say it but, it seems like Fisher is being stubborn with his decision to continue starting KFC. It doesnt seem like he puts any thought into it as his mind was made up long ago and he is going to stick with it no matter what. Either that or (in his mind) he is certain that VY cannot run the offense. How the hell can they justify keeping Vince if they dont even start him when the team is 0-4. I hope he goes to a team that is the right fit for him and I hope the Titans find someone that is the right fit for them.

[slkHORN]

I honestly think Fisher genuinely believes we will be worse off with Young. He's the one who's seeing him at practice and he's still not starting him and continues to ignore the questions and refuses to comment on his progression –*I mean, he's stubborn, but he's not stupid. Is it possible that VY is simply worse than KC? It's not that inconceivable.

I don't know that i trust fishers judgment... kinda think his judgment is severely clouded by something. what? i don't know. but it's like watching rey hill all over again. no i'm not saying KC is performing as badly as rey hill, but how many times did we hear "...gives us the best chance of winning" when anyone and everyone could see he was toast. And in the end we release him anyway! so, while he may be the only one really seeing what's going on between sundays, i'm hesitant to trust what he's seeing, or thinks he's seeing.

[TitansGiantsBears]

we have such a good run D because nobody tries to run it more than 10-12 times a game becaue they know they can just throw it where ever they want.

Have you considered that our run defense isn't really that good? Teams have passed on the Titans because they are toast. The Jags exposed the Titans' run defense yesterday as well. I posted in my "Good, Bad, and Ugly" thread this week that the Jags had something like 11 runs of 8 or more yards and 7 of 10 plus. I think our run numbers look a little better than the unit actually is because if you were an offensive coordinator would you attack this team on the ground or in the air?

[don28]

I don't know how Fisher can say Kerry gives the Titans the best chance to win with a straight face. Watching the NFL Network's Playbook program (which shows the coach's film) was a real eye opener for me. Kerry can no longer pick up the blitz, step up in the pocket, or hit the hot receiver when the defense blitzes. It reminds me of Dan Marino's last few years in the league where every team sent the house and Marino couldn't do anything about it.

Maybe Vince can't pick up a blitz, or hit a hot receiver. I, and many of you, would like to see him at least have the attempt. If he fails, it's no worse than where the team stands now. Defensively they will not be a juggernaut, and the offense is going to have to carry a heavier load.

A second thing that is really bothering me is the playcalling on offense. The Titans were built around the run. The Titans have forgotten their identity, who they are in essence. Running some series with Johnson and some with White was what made this team tick. Not running Johnson all but 3 times a game, or trying to pass the ball a la Manning or Rivers. This offense is not predicated on 35+ passing attempts per game.

Chris Johnson and LenDale White were both more effective in last year's dual tailback system. With LenDale having lost weight, I believe that he's actually stronger because he's not carrying excess fat. How the backs are used is laughable. Lendale White comes in for a HB Flat Pass or Screen? Lendale is not that kind of back, that's what Johnson is for. Johnson just the same should not be trying to go between guard and tackle all day. The players are being misused. With this type of playcalling I next expect to see Bo Scaife running an end around, or a fly pattern. Use the players to their strengths.

Thank you, rant over. :soapbox

[Titans and Turtles]

Whatever your answer is I don't want to hear another damn thing about Vince quitting against the Jags last year. The whole team quit yesterday or at least the better part of it. Whether we start Vince or not this team has bigger issues than inconsistent play at the QB position.

I didn't think about it, but put in those terms, I agree 100% I saw a whole lot of Titans phoning it in and not wanting to even re-take the field - certainly not giving any real effort.

I say most of those who played vs. the Jags need to wipe the slate clean with VY and call it even.

[Serge]

I gotta say, this preseason I saw a totally different VY.

More calm, more confident, more in control, I don't know what it was. He looked better than he has in a long time.

[RohitTheNair]

No one who played yesterday has any right to point fingers yesterday. They all sucked...

The only two players that have a right to raise hell in my eyes are LenDale and VY.

[SouthSide Titan]

Real Talk....Our team as a whole,from top to bottom is struggling right now.Whether Vince could turn us around right now,I don't know but I am not opposed to it.A big play from someone might turn things around.I'm not worried at this point.I'm not happy being 0-4 either but something has to happen Sunday.

[315]

Start Him or Cut Him.

[hooktool]

Have you considered that our run defense isn't really that good? Teams have passed on the Titans because they are toast. The Jags exposed the Titans' run defense yesterday as well. I posted in my "Good, Bad, and Ugly" thread this week that the Jags had something like 11 runs of 8 or more yards and 7 of 10 plus. I think our run numbers look a little better than the unit actually is because if you were an offensive coordinator would you attack this team on the ground or in the air?

If the run defense was bad I would run, run and run some more. Keep the ball as long as possible.:thumbsup

John

[pookha]

i dont care.
if they dont fix the damn defense montana couldnt help this team.

[InVinceWeTrust]

I don't know how Fisher can say Kerry gives the Titans the best chance to win with a straight face. Watching the NFL Network's Playbook program (which shows the coach's film) was a real eye opener for me. Kerry can no longer pick up the blitz, step up in the pocket, or hit the hot receiver when the defense blitzes. It reminds me of Dan Marino's last few years in the league where every team sent the house and Marino couldn't do anything about it.

Maybe Vince can't pick up a blitz, or hit a hot receiver. I, and many of you, would like to see him at least have the attempt. If he fails, it's no worse than where the team stands now. Defensively they will not be a juggernaut, and the offense is going to have to carry a heavier load.

A second thing that is really bothering me is the playcalling on offense. The Titans were built around the run. The Titans have forgotten their identity, who they are in essence. Running some series with Johnson and some with White was what made this team tick. Not running Johnson all but 3 times a game, or trying to pass the ball a la Manning or Rivers. This offense is not predicated on 35+ passing attempts per game.

Chris Johnson and LenDale White were both more effective in last year's dual tailback system. With LenDale having lost weight, I believe that he's actually stronger because he's not carrying excess fat. How the backs are used is laughable. Lendale White comes in for a HB Flat Pass or Screen? Lendale is not that kind of back, that's what Johnson is for. Johnson just the same should not be trying to go between guard and tackle all day. The players are being misused. With this type of playcalling I next expect to see Bo Scaife running an end around, or a fly pattern. Use the players to their strengths.

Thank you, rant over. :soapbox

This coaching staff does not believe in using players to their strenth; they believe in making players run their system how ever ill fitted for it they may be. The clearest example of this is Vince, but they shown it in just the way you said and in others. Like in Griffin's rookie year, they wasted a good chunk of it trying to make him a corner because they needed to replace Pacman. Griffin is a talented DB, but he's a Safety, always has been, always will be. It was a misuse of his talent to satisfy some other agenda. And, I think thats the key point. Fisher is all about his agenda, whatever it may be, and is very bull headed about varying from it, even when all evidence says he should.

[InVinceWeTrust]

Start Him or Cut Him.

Slight amendment suggested: Start him, or liberate him.

I want to see Vince play and see if he can make it work here. But, if this staff will not let him play, then they should quit wrecking his career and let him see if he can get a fresh start elsewhere. I'm sick of this BS they're feeding us. Kerry gives us the best chance to win, my eye. We're 0 and freeking 4, and each game is worse than the last one. It's certainly not all Kerry's fault, far from it, but he hasn't done his part either, the last two games in particular.

Maybe, when Fisher finally thinks he's got nothing to lose, he'll turn it over to the playmaker and tell him to do his thing (with a feignt to Fisherball now and then) and see if we can at least have some hope that someday will be better than this sorry start to the season.

[TRUTitan]

I voted don't care, only because I don't make decisions, coach said Collins gives us the best chance to win. By the time he makes a change it will be too late. If it isn't already.

I'll take that as a yes.:lol

Stubbornness, that is what is wrong with Fish. The team needs a spark. Is VY that spark? I don't know, but he did it before.

[titansikou]

Wow. How quickly the tides turn, eh?

[Yvette]

^ 0-4 is a nasty tidal wave :sad

[Hammr]

yup, starting VY makes total sence. Hell if there's one thing we could do to make this team any worse it would be starting Vince so what the hell, lets hit rock bottom now and get it over with

[JimOkc]

I don't know.

Seems to me that Fisher stated last year that Vince really hadn't had the opportunity to sit and learn and that he would be getting that opportunity. Part of the learning, had to have been, how a veteran quarterback remains professional under adverse circumstances. With a 13-3 record, not many sacks or turnovers, that hardly qualifies as adverse.

I support Vince, I think that he can do the job (I am optimistic). But until Fisher is ready to let him have the keys again, he might as well keep working hard and be ready to step up when he is called on.

[TitansGiantsBears]

If the run defense was bad I would run, run and run some more. Keep the ball as long as possible.:thumbsup

John

There's bad... our run defense... and there's makes me want to vomit putrid... our pass defense. :p

[Serge]

yup, starting VY makes total sence. Hell if there's one thing we could do to make this team any worse it would be starting Vince so what the hell, lets hit rock bottom now and get it over with

Come on Hammr, 0-4 is rock bottom. Especially when half the team quit halfway through the last game.

[pookha]

has anyone considered it isnt just being stubborn why they may not start vince right now.
the next two games are two the toughest.
what good will it do him if he gets torched mightly and the team goes down in even bigger flames.

wouldnt be suprised if they do this after the bye week.

[Sect309Fan]

has anyone considered it isnt just being stubborn why they may not start vince right now.
the next two games are two the toughest.
what good will it do him if he gets torched mightly and the team goes down in even bigger flames.

wouldnt be suprised if they do this after the bye week.

Actually, I want Vince to start because it is two of the toughest games. If he can handle those games, even if they lose, he can handle about anything.

Plus, I think we could stick any QB out there, even Ramsey if we still had him, and do better than Collins.

[Mike McFan]

Actually, I want Vince to start because it is two of the toughest games. If he can handle those games, even if they lose, he can handle about anything.

Plus, I think we could stick any QB out there, even Ramsey if we still had him, and do better than Collins.

Yep !
You gotta really stink it up to have us screaming for Vince !:lmao

[Jones31]

Actually, I want Vince to start because it is two of the toughest games. If he can handle those games, even if they lose, he can handle about anything.

Plus, I think we could stick any QB out there, even Ramsey if we still had him, and do better than Collins.

If he can't handle losing by now..... then he probably never will.

[Sect309Fan]

If he can't handle losing by now..... then he probably never will.

He doesn't lose often though, unlike our starting QB.

Here is how Collins is after a winning season:
1996: 9-3
1997: 6-7

2000: 12-4
2001: 7-9

2002: 10-6
2003: 4-9

2008: 13-3
2009: 0-4 (so far)

[Hammr]

Come on Hammr, 0-4 is rock bottom. Especially when half the team quit halfway through the last game.

last yrs Lions was rock bottom, VY will help get us there

[Jones31]

He doesn't lose often though, unlike our starting QB.

Here is how Collins is after a winning season:
1996: 9-3
1997: 6-7

2000: 12-4
2001: 7-9

2002: 10-6
2003: 4-9

2008: 13-3
2009: 0-4 (so far)

Irrelevant stats.

[Sect309Fan]

Irrelevant stats.

You should know better by now. :nono

[Jones31]

You should know better by now. :nono

So you aren't taking in to account Carolina has never been in the post season in consecutive years to date....

Yeah how about that Super Bowl Losers curse.....

There's a couple of factors you kind of missed. One you lean quite heavily on.

[TitansGiantsBears]

He doesn't lose often though, unlike our starting QB.

Here is how Collins is after a winning season:
1996: 9-3
1997: 6-7

2000: 12-4
2001: 7-9

2002: 10-6
2003: 4-9

2008: 13-3
2009: 0-4 (so far)

I think it's a little much to blame the failure of those entire clubs on Kerry's shoulders the following year. As a Giants fan I can tell you that Jim Fassel was as much to blame as anyone, especially in 02-03. Also from 02-03 the team went from 3rd in points allowed and 9th overall in defense to 29th in pts and 22nd overall. You can't put that on the QB's shoulders. Kerry also missed three games in which the team went 0-3. Truthfully, those teams had some talent but overachieved in years in which they had favorable schedules and were brought back to earth the following season with a division winner's schedule. It happens all the time.

[pookha]

it is interesting how some teams like carolina. the falcons saints often had problems being good consective years no matter who was around.

[hooktool]

He doesn't lose often though, unlike our starting QB.

Here is how Collins is after a winning season:
1996: 9-3
1997: 6-7

2000: 12-4
2001: 7-9

2002: 10-6
2003: 4-9

2008: 13-3
2009: 0-4 (so far)

Holy Crap! Send this to Fisher, quick! He needs to know. :)

John

[TRUTitan]

last yrs Lions was rock bottom, VY will help get us there

That is a low opinion of someone who brought the team within one game of the playoffs his rookie season, has batter completion rate than the starter, has better record than the starter and gives the team a better chance of winning a football game in the 4th quarter than our current starter. Someone Jones31 used to say we won those games in 2007 in spite of Vince. He may have been right, but we won those games in 2006 because of Vince and that is something people can't deny. Kerry did nothing last year that Vince is not capabale of doing. He managed a really good team, that's it. This year the team is lost and they need asomeone to lead, not manage. Really now when the game is on the line in the 4th quarter do you really want the ball in Kerry's hands?

[Count Telecky]

Let me throw this out there. Right now, the Colts are game planning for KC. And Fisher has confirmed that he thinks KC gives us the best chance to win. Could this be a ploy to start VY on Sunday to throw off the Colts?

Far fetched, but just a thought.

[TitansFan370]

Let me throw this out there. Right now, the Colts are game planning for KC. And Fisher has confirmed that he thinks KC gives us the best chance to win. Could this be a ploy to start VY on Sunday to throw off the Colts?

Far fetched, but just a thought.

Not with Fisher, sadly!

By the way, if possible, I now would change my vote from NO to YES. Play Vince. Let concede this season and begin building for the future. I want to see Vince play because I don't think he is the NFL quarterback for our future so we need to find out now. It time to be looking to draft or acquire a genuine "franchise" QB for the future.

[Old Oilers Fan]

Concede is that the same as quitting after four games?

[TitansFan370]

Concede is that the same as quitting after four games?

No, it simply means we are conceding to a LOSING and non-playoff season this year so we can UN-QUIT and begin building for the FUTURE. Quitting would be giving up and not doing squat toward fixing the team for the future. And maybe that is what this team has done even if the coach and team are in "denial".

[Old Oilers Fan]

No, it simply means we are conceding to a LOSING and non-playoff season this year so we can UN-QUIT and begin building for the FUTURE. Quitting would be giving up and not doing squat toward fixing the team for the future. And maybe that is what this team has done even if the coach and team are in "denial".

Don't you think making the change after the bye week we can make the same results? At least after the bye this team will know for sure if their playoffs hopes are dead. Then they can play all the bench warmers to see what they have not just in the QB position but in the defense too.

[Titanico]

Not with Fisher, sadly! I want to see Vince play because I don't think he is the NFL quarterback for our future so we need to find out now. It time to be looking to draft or acquire a genuine "franchise" QB for the future.

I also agree that Fisher cycle with the Titans, seems to be over. There had been years with him that it looked that we had a chance and we still fall short from giving the "knockout punch" and earn what all teams dream of winning.

On the other hand one gets to see how other teams draft much better players that show that they were born to play at this level. We had been waiting 4 years and saw "the future" melting down?

I also agree that it is time to see if Young is our QB for the future. If he fails, he fails and lets look for a better QB in the next draft. But I fear what Mr. Adams, Fisher...the scouts we have might bring. They haven't been too wise coming draft time, except for Kenny Britt's case.

If Mr. Adams wants to see this team sinking, as we are doing right now, then Fisher and any other player that is not bringing important things to the table will stay around, and we have to give up and accept that we will have mediocre years ahead of us.

[TitansGiantsBears]

On the other hand one gets to see how other teams draft much better players that show that they were born to play at this level.

I think some of it is perception though. No one had trouble with any of these players back during the offseason. Just in the last few years the Titans have drafted Britt who looks like part of the solution at WR, Cook who should also be the long-term answer at TE, CJ - a Pro Bowl running back with big play ability, Jason Jones who is in the rotation on the DL, Craig Stevens is an excellent blocking TE, Hayes is also in the rotation on the DL, Griffin has played in the Pro Bowl at S, Leroy Harris has been a valuable addition on the line and gives the team much flexibility there, Vince was rookie of the year and has had his moments, LenDale is perhaps the best short-yardage back in the game and is capable to carry the rock as a feature back when needed, Tulloch looks to be a good one at LB, Finnegan was a 7th rounder who went to the Pro Bowl last year, and even Scaife was a sixth round pick that has led the team in receptions.

Don't lose sight of the team's hits when dredging up the draft misses. Not every player can be a Pro Bowler or Hall of Famer. Overall I believe the Titans have drafted very well from '06 on.

[pookha]

That is a low opinion of someone who brought the team within one game of the playoffs his rookie season, has batter completion rate than the starter, has better record than the starter and gives the team a better chance of winning a football game in the 4th quarter than our current starter. Someone Jones31 used to say we won those games in 2007 in spite of Vince. He may have been right, but we won those games in 2006 because of Vince and that is something people can't deny. Kerry did nothing last year that Vince is not capabale of doing. He managed a really good team, that's it. This year the team is lost and they need asomeone to lead, not manage. Really now when the game is on the line in the 4th quarter do you really want the ball in Kerry's hands?

it wasnt just vince.
they did a major reorginization of the oline that wasnt finished until just before vince started.

they also made some key changes to the defense.
yeah vince played a big part but as much as the cult of vince wants to give him all the credit it isnt so.

add in there is a chance that vince dosnt exist any more.
there are serious questions about whether his legs will allow him to do what he did during that season for any long term basis.

yeah in a couple of games i want to see vince play just to see what he does have; and if despite what even jaws has said has he really progressed as a nfl qb.

but, if the team goes down in flames still it would be nice to get a little bit of honesty from the cult of vince.

ie if allowances are not being made for kerry for the dropped passes, routes being cut off by ten yards and issues with the oline (kevein who was great addition in 06 isnt that player any more due to age and especially injuries) then those excuses can not be used for vince.

[pookha]

the titans drafted some good players who at the moment a lot of them are hurt.

they still may play up to their potential later on.

[Sect309Fan]

Can we quit with the "cult of Vince" nonsense?

[pookha]

not while i see one qb being held to a different standard then another one was in 07.
frankly there seems to be a memory loss as far as some of the later games in 07.

[TRUTitan]

it wasnt just vince.
they did a major reorginization of the oline that wasnt finished until just before vince started.

they also made some key changes to the defense.
yeah vince played a big part but as much as the cult of vince wants to give him all the credit it isnt so.

add in there is a chance that vince dosnt exist any more.
there are serious questions about whether his legs will allow him to do what he did during that season for any long term basis.

yeah in a couple of games i want to see vince play just to see what he does have; and if despite what even jaws has said has he really progressed as a nfl qb.

but, if the team goes down in flames still it would be nice to get a little bit of honesty from the cult of vince.

ie if allowances are not being made for kerry for the dropped passes, routes being cut off by ten yards and issues with the oline (kevein who was great addition in 06 isnt that player any more due to age and especially injuries) then those excuses can not be used for vince.

His legs still looked like they were there this preseason.

There will always be a cult making excuses for whoever is starting. I can go back to dozen threads where people make excuses for Kerry, even though through those close games I know they died a little inside when we needed that 4th QTR comeback and he is still out there taking snaps. Here is some honesty, will changing QBs fix the undisciplined, injured and crappy coached Defense? How about fixing a special teams that is coughing up costly turnovers and failing to obtain good field position? No, it won't do any of this, but it will provide the offense with a QB that defenses have to gameplan differently for and give the fans some confidence when we see him behind center and we know we need to score.

This offense is also considerably more talented than the offense that Vince led in 2006 and 2007. With the addition of Gage, CJ, Washington, Cook and Britt why not let Vince play with his new friends?

[felloffthewagon]

The booing might be fun as well.

This is my primary movitation. I am hoping to start a Fisher, Fisher....... YOU SUCK chant on national TV and boo the **** out of someone.

[RohitTheNair]

In 06, an offense with just Vince, LenDale, Gage, and Scaife was good enough to get us into the playoffs...

I only see good things happening when we utilize Vince, CJ, LenDale, Britt, Washington, Gage, the TEs all at the same time...

[RohitTheNair]

This makes for some pretty interesting captions now:

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9715/lwvy.jpg

Vince: "Watching Kerry is making me feel better about myself...This Fisher dick should be playing me"

LenDale: "I know, young catarpillar, how you feel"

[TTP77]

I think the booing and paper bag talk is...well let's just say I disagree and leave it at that. Shrug, each to his own. :thumbsup I'm sure Peyton is loving that Titans fans have turned on this team so early after having such a great season last year. It'd be different if we were getting blown out every game and hardly putting forth an effort EVERY game. We had one bad game and could have won the other 3 games. I'll do what I do every game and that's go and support the team. I'll be damned if I'm going to give Peyton any advantage to beat us on national TV. I'll go crazy and scream myself hoarse on defense like I always do...:lol

I guess I'm in the minority though....:sad

[Sect309Fan]

not while i see one qb being held to a different standard then another one was in 07.
frankly there seems to be a memory loss as far as some of the later games in 07.

I see it the opposite. The fans were upset at what Vince did in 2007, and they were happy for a change in 2008. Now that Collins is playing the same or worse than Vince in 2007, we should have the same change that happened last year.

[TTP77]

Vince didn't get benched for performance though. Fisher always stuck with Vince even when he was struggling.

[zonian]

Vince didn't get benched for performance though. Fisher always stuck with Vince even when he was struggling.

Fisher always stuck with McNair when he was injured, and O'Donnell was healthy.

Bottom line, when Fisher has a guy and that guy says he can go, there you go...

[t1tan5]

not while i see one qb being held to a different standard then another one was in 07.
frankly there seems to be a memory loss as far as some of the later games in 07.

No doubt VY's 2007 performance was poor, but I disagree with your comparison. One is a quarterback learning the ropes and one is a veteran who's played since the mid nineties. You have to hold them to different standards simply by virtue of their relative experience in the NFL. One should stop making mistakes and the other shouldn't be making those mistakes in the first place.

[zonian]

No doubt VY's 2007 performance was poor, but I disagree with your comparison. One is a quarterback learning the ropes and one is a veteran who's played since the mid nineties. You have to hold them to different standards simply by virtue of their relative experience in the NFL. One should stop making mistakes and the other shouldn't be making those mistakes in the first place.

No doubt.

Neither of them should be subjected to the abuses of the opponents' defense.

Where the hell has the O Line been???

[PBV]

No doubt.

Neither of them should be subjected to the abuses of the opponents' defense.

Where the hell has the O Line been???

Kerry is getting a hell of a lot more protection than guys like Aaron Rodgers, and Rodgers is still delivering.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

[TRUTitan]

No doubt.

Neither of them should be subjected to the abuses of the opponents' defense.

Where the hell has the O Line been???

Run Blocking for CJ.

[pookha]

I see it the opposite. The fans were upset at what Vince did in 2007, and they were happy for a change in 2008. Now that Collins is playing the same or worse than Vince in 2007, we should have the same change that happened last year.

:lol
there are people here who will give vince all the credit for the turn around in 06 and will place blame on everyone else in 07 when the offense started to fall apart.

not everyone who wants vince now is in that boat but there is a faction that see vince as god emporer savior.


i do hope when vince starts he does well.
for one thing they can use that nice pick on a greater need then qb.

but, i also know if he dosnt do well for a lot of people vince wont be at fault it will be the rest of the team and fisher.
and it isnt just here but some that call on the talk shows.


oh yeah i saw vince's leg act up in camp.
we will just have to see how long it holds up starting in several games.
another thing that maybe answered.

[pookha]

Run Blocking for CJ.


really.. maybe for the houston game but in other games they have looked bad at that also.
often they are getting pushed back before cj has a chance to do anything.

[TitanPop]

I think the booing and paper bag talk is...well let's just say I disagree and leave it at that. Shrug, each to his own. :thumbsup I'm sure Peyton is loving that Titans fans have turned on this team so early after having such a great season last year. It'd be different if we were getting blown out every game and hardly putting forth an effort EVERY game. We had one bad game and could have won the other 3 games. I'll do what I do every game and that's go and support the team. I'll be damned if I'm going to give Peyton any advantage to beat us on national TV. I'll go crazy and scream myself hoarse on defense like I always do...:lol

I guess I'm in the minority though....:sad

Of course the paper bag thing was just a joke. I will continue to be a robot and cheer their bad play along with the little good play that I see. I see no reason to hold the team accountable for not playing up to their abilities, I should just keep doling out the hard earned cash for the inferior product, and the overpriced food and drinks. rah rah rah!! :crazy

[TTP77]

Of course the paper bag thing was just a joke. I will continue to be a robot and cheer their bad play along with the little good play that I see. I see no reason to hold the team accountable for not playing up to their abilities, I should just keep doling out the hard earned cash for the inferior product, and the overpriced food and drinks. rah rah rah!! :crazy

Like I said....each to his own. :thumbsup

What's a booable offense? Should we boo when Peyton takes advantage of one of our rookie corners? The odds are pretty high it's going to happen. Seriously, what are you going to boo? I'd like to see the boo list...:lol

[Parddy]

The paper bags and the booing are a direct result of last weeks lack of effort. They deserve the fans utmost support and backing, even when losing. I would never boo a physical mistake by a guy trying to win a game.

However, if they just go through the motions and continue to make the same MENTAL mistakes we have seen all season( I.E. formation penalties, blown assignments) all bets are then off... BOO LIKE HELL.

[Sect309Fan]

. Seriously, what are you going to boo? I'd like to see the boo list...:lol

1. Turnovers by offense
2. 3 and outs by the offense
3. Not going for in 4th down between the 30 and 40 yard lines (unless a field goal is attempted)

While the defense should be booed as well, it's hard to boo the defense at home due to the crowd noise. The only exception would be after giving up easy touchdowns.

[TTP77]

The paper bags and the booing are a direct result of last weeks lack of effort. They deserve the fans utmost support and backing, even when losing. I would never boo a physical mistake by a guy trying to win a game.

However, if they just go through the motions and continue to make the same MENTAL mistakes we have seen all season( I.E. formation penalties, blown assignments) all bets are then off... BOO LIKE HELL.

Lack of effort to me would be the only booable offense. Shrug, or unsportsmanlike conduct...I boo'd the hell out of Albert during the infamous Dallas game. Otherwise, the only player I can ever remember booing is Al Del Greco...:lol I boo'd the hell outta him too. :thumbsup

I'm just not a boo'er in general and even after I boo'd the Al's I kinda felt dirty later. :crazy So, like I said each to his own. I do think fans of this team are spoiled and have no idea how good they've had it since the Titans came to town. We've won a lot of games but it's still frustrating when you lose. We just need a win.

[Jones31]

Did you ever Boo Pacman?

[TTP77]

Did you ever Boo Pacman?

I never did boo Pacman the player...but I wanted to boo him one night at Eddie George's sports bar though but that's another story. :)

[Jones31]

Lol :p

[Yvette]

... BOO LIKE HELL.
Damn yankees :mad: :p

[felloffthewagon]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...... Oh it didnt start yet.

I'm even bringing losenges so I don't lose my voice in the middle of my booing. I am really hoping to get a Fisher, Fisher....you suck chant going in the upper deck on national TV.

[TitanPop]

Like I said....each to his own. :thumbsup

What's a booable offense? Should we boo when Peyton takes advantage of one of our rookie corners? The odds are pretty high it's going to happen. Seriously, what are you going to boo? I'd like to see the boo list...:lol

Where did I say I was going to boo? hmmmm! Go ahead and scream your lungs out, that is YOUR choice. :lolhit

[hooktool]

I think the booing and paper bag talk is...well let's just say I disagree and leave it at that. Shrug, each to his own. :thumbsup I'm sure Peyton is loving that Titans fans have turned on this team so early after having such a great season last year. It'd be different if we were getting blown out every game and hardly putting forth an effort EVERY game. We had one bad game and could have won the other 3 games. I'll do what I do every game and that's go and support the team. I'll be damned if I'm going to give Peyton any advantage to beat us on national TV. I'll go crazy and scream myself hoarse on defense like I always do...:lol

I guess I'm in the minority though....:sad

I'll be yelling with you. My wife will, too, so that's at least three.:thumbsup

John

[Parddy]

Damn yankees :mad: :p

LMFAO, :lmao

I'll admit, booing comes natural to us. Maybe it is a Yankee thing.

You do stupid things, you get booed!

[uk_dave]

Wow, it seems the tread moved on a bit from the poll.

Just so everyone knows I've voted NO to replacing KC.

Whilst he's not putting up great figures, I don't feel its fair to put all the blame at his door. This is a team game, and the team should take the blame. I can't honestly say there is any area of play we can be happy with, even the rush game.

If KC is replaced I'd like to see other 'under-achievers' get the same treatment!

[TitansFan23]

LMFAO, :lmao

I'll admit, booing comes natural to us. Maybe it is a Yankee thing.

You do stupid things, you get booed!

Does throwing snowballs at Santa come natural to you? :huh

[TitansFan23]

Could the reason the Titans don't put VY on the field this season be that they're afraid he'll get injured and then they'll have to pay him more $$$?

[Parddy]

Does throwing snowballs at Santa come natural to you? :huh


I think that was Philly...lol

[titansikou]

So are we starting him or are we putting him on the field when the whole team has thrown in the towel to humiliate him?

[315]

So where is the option."Put Vince in at slop time, when there is nothing to slop up" ?

[TitanPop]

So where is the option."Put Vince in at slop time, when there is nothing to slop up" ?

It was pretty sloppy. :mad: You have to admit tho, the place was packed.

[TRUTitan]

Everytime I watched Kerry Scramble out of the pocket and toss the ball away I was thinking about Vince breaking it for a 1st Down or a TD.

[PBV]

LOL, somehow I managed to vote No.

/sniffing glue

[titansikou]

Everytime I watched Kerry Scramble out of the pocket and toss the ball away I was thinking about Vince breaking it for a 1st Down or a TD.

Me too. But here is my worry: it was slop time and no one really gave a damn when VY came in, sure, but 2 of his 3 passes looked ill advised. If he is going to be a starter anywhere, he can't do that. I don't buy the whole 'running QBs can't win super bowls stuff. No man had been to the moon before 1969. Just because it hasn't been done, doesn't mean it won't. However, 2 things need to be in place for a QB like Vince Young to succeed. 1 is an offense that plays to his strengths, 2. is the ability to make good decisions, although perhaps with a Farve-like margin for error.

I want Vince in playing smart football.

[TTP77]

LOL, somehow I managed to vote No.

/sniffing glue

this is not the time to quit sniffing glue...:lolhit

i plan to do a whole lot of this....:shots

[Jones31]

http://images.spatiallyadjusted.com/wrongweek-sm.jpg

[pookha]

Me too. But here is my worry: it was slop time and no one really gave a damn when VY came in, sure, but 2 of his 3 passes looked ill advised. If he is going to be a starter anywhere, he can't do that. I don't buy the whole 'running QBs can't win super bowls stuff. No man had been to the moon before 1969. Just because it hasn't been done, doesn't mean it won't. However, 2 things need to be in place for a QB like Vince Young to succeed. 1 is an offense that plays to his strengths, 2. is the ability to make good decisions, although perhaps with a Farve-like margin for error.

I want Vince in playing smart football.

i think a mobile qb who can also play in the pocket when needed can win the sb.
they have in the past.

but at times the defense is going to take that option away like what happened to big ben in the last sb and they have to be able to do that to.

wasnt most of steve's throws in that last drive in the sb from the pocket??