The thing I dont think Jeff Fisher realizes...

[Rolltide14TOMB]

when he says that "Kerry is our best chance to win" "Trust me I know who gives us the best chance to win"

well Coach I dont think that is the point. 90% of us calling for VY (including myself) believe you on that. I do believe that Kerry probably slightly gives us a better chance to win. But COACH HE IS ALMOST 40!!! he isnt Brett Favre, We are 0-4 steamrolling to 0-6. We ARE NOT going to the playoffs so why not start Vince to see what he can DO IN THE FUTURE! The fans are not (at least im not) calling for him because i think he for sure gives us the dreaded phrase "a better chance to win".

But US FANS dont want the entire disastrous season to be a complete waste and the only way to get anything from it is to see where we stand QB wise for the future, for the draft.

So quit with the bull****, quit insulting the fans in your own smug way, and quit telling us VY is the future because if that were true then you would be getting him some work RIGHT NOW
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[MrBean]

I am glad the coach doesn't listen to the fans.

You know how really effed this team would be if he did. Hell, we probably wouldn't even have had any close games.

[hooktool]

when he says that "Kerry is our best chance to win" "Trust me I know who gives us the best chance to win"

well Coach I dont think that is the point. 90% of us calling for VY (including myself) believe you on that. I do believe that Kerry probably slightly gives us a better chance to win. But COACH HE IS ALMOST 40!!! he isnt Brett Favre, We are 0-4 steamrolling to 0-6. We ARE NOT going to the playoffs so why not start Vince to see what he can DO IN THE FUTURE! The fans are not (at least im not) calling for him because i think he for sure gives us the dreaded phrase "a better chance to win".

But US FANS dont want the entire disastrous season to be a complete waste and the only way to get anything from it is to see where we stand QB wise for the future, for the draft.

So quit with the bull****, quit insulting the fans in your own smug way, and quit telling us VY is the future because if that were true then you would be getting him some work RIGHT NOW
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I would buy this after the bye, but not yet. He DOES know more than we do. Having said that, I wouldn't mind it one bit if VY started Sunday night.:thumbsup

John

[HALL45ROX]

Tide, once again you have crystallized my thoughts.

Bean, I am sure Fisher is really proud of the "close" losses his team had. Seriously, how much worse could he do at this point.

Hook, I can see that. Wait until the season is totally out of reach to completely scrap it and see what they have with VY. (this is not meant to sound sarcastic)

[TitansFan370]

when he says that "Kerry is our best chance to win" "Trust me I know who gives us the best chance to win"

well Coach I dont think that is the point. 90% of us calling for VY (including myself) believe you on that. I do believe that Kerry probably slightly gives us a better chance to win. But COACH HE IS ALMOST 40!!! he isnt Brett Favre, We are 0-4 steamrolling to 0-6. We ARE NOT going to the playoffs so why not start Vince to see what he can DO IN THE FUTURE! The fans are not (at least im not) calling for him because i think he for sure gives us the dreaded phrase "a better chance to win".

But US FANS dont want the entire disastrous season to be a complete waste and the only way to get anything from it is to see where we stand QB wise for the future, for the draft.

So quit with the bull****, quit insulting the fans in your own smug way, and quit telling us VY is the future because if that were true then you would be getting him some work RIGHT NOW
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While I am only 90% in agreement with your post, I definitely agree that we need to "concede" this as a losing season and do that which builds for a better team in 2010 and beyond. Playing Kerry will not "help" BUILD A BETTER TEAM for 2010 and beyond. Playing Vince(if only for a few games) can let us know that most likely he is NOT the future either so that any reasonable GM and Coach would know we need to be BUSY now preparing to draft or acquire the best possible quarterback for the future.

Now the defense also "sxxks" so much work is needed there. One thing I suggest is for Fisher to give up micromanaging the defense and hire a defensive guru and turn the defense over to him(which he could have done with Greg Williams this past off season).

[MrBean]

Tide, once again you have crystallized my thoughts.

Bean, I am sure Fisher is really proud of the "close" losses his team had. Seriously, how much worse could he do at this point.

Hook, I can see that. Wait until the season is totally out of reach to completely scrap it and see what they have with VY. (this is not meant to sound sarcastic)

What I was meaning is that "fans" can think up some really crazy crap where we would be lucky to be in games half the time. A lot of fans think cause something works in Madden, it will also work IRL.

Now I am not saying everything us fans think up are crap, but if a coach listened to fans, whom would he listen too? It's not like there are 4 fans and he gets to do eenie-meenie-miney-moe with them.

And I am not sure where rolltide pulled his 90% statistic from, but it doesn't smell all that good.

[TRUTitan]

What I was meaning is that "fans" can think up some really crazy crap where we would be lucky to be in games half the time. A lot of fans think cause something works in Madden, it will also work IRL.


I doubt anyone is basing their football expertise off playing Madden. But when something is continueing to fail and the plan is not changed to rectify the problem. Then wouldn't it be common sense that that square peg is not going to fit in the round hole.

[MrBean]

I doubt anyone is basing their football expertise off playing Madden. But when something is continueing to fail and the plan is not changed to rectify the problem. Then wouldn't it be common sense that that square peg is not going to fit in the round hole.


But the assumptions is that VY will automatically change the way we are playing, and what if what the coaches knows behind the scenes point to much the contrary? SHould they just make the change to appease the fans or actually do their job as a head coach and put the people in that nest give you that chance?

[BJShan]

If they don't feel comfortable with VY then they wouldn't have dropped Ramsey. There were several other people they could have cut to make room on the roster but they choose to cut the #3 QB.

[Titans and Turtles]

I am glad the coach doesn't listen to the fans.

You know how really effed this team would be if he did. Hell, we probably wouldn't even have had any close games.


And I'm sure the team is happy some people listen to supreme chairman for life Fisher and automatically assume that because he's the coach, every decision he makes is automatically correct, and us mere mortals are all fools and imbeciles for even daring to theorize about the mighty game of football.

[TRUTitan]

But the assumptions is that VY will automatically change the way we are playing, and what if what the coaches knows behind the scenes point to much the contrary? Should they just make the change to appease the fans or actually do their job as a head coach and put the people in that nest give you that chance?

It is not an assumption, they're two different types of players. So of course it changes the way we are playing. Does it spell out more wins? No, but I think it would. Every defensive coordinator knows how to get under KC's skin and it is not as easy as blitzing to bother Vince. This holding onto KC, because of what he did last year is not helping this organization now or for the future.

[earlers]

Originally Posted by MrBean View Post
But the assumptions is that VY will automatically change the way we are playing, and what if what the coaches knows behind the scenes point to much the contrary?

Problem is that they don't know because if they knew so much about what would happen in live games then they wouldn't be o-4.

[Jones31]

So if VY would play and nothing changed.... what would people say then? me I have no answers, I'm of the opinion that the scheme employed this year is a bust no matter who the QB is.

[TTP77]

From a physical perspective I think the fans know as much as Fisher & Co about Vince and Kerry and Vince is hands down the better athlete. The edge the coaching staff possesses relates to the mental and emotional aspect of the game. It would be easy to say the coaching staff doesn't think Vince is there yet from that perspective. Or, you could infer that Fisher wants to control the transfer of the reins as much as possible and has concluded that it's best to wait until after the bye week to make a QB change. I'm firmly of the latter opinion and I think it's probably the best way to handle it. That is unless things goes even further south.

[ZachLV27]

You guys have to look at it from their position. This isn't just a huge game of chess like many fans make it out to be. Putting in a different player might let us fans (and the coaches) see what they have in Young for after this season, but what good does that do them if they aren't here next season? Every decision they make plays a huge role in what attendance looks like and whether or not they will be able to support their families going forward. Fisher probably has plenty of money stockpiled up and knows he will get another job rather quickly but that doesn't mean he isn't thinking about his other coaches.

As a fan I understand the other fans wanting to put VY in there just to see what we have in the future. As a human being I understand the coaches wanting to do what's best for their own futures.

[travis13]

If Vince is our future then I would love to see what our future can do, because it might be time to look elsewhere if he's not. And at this rate we will have some good options come May

[Rolltide14TOMB]

bean i said in my post that i believe that kerry gives us a better chance to win a game tommorrow than does vince young....what about this time next year and the year after that? im not trying to act like i know more than coach fisher but unless he still thinks we can make the playoffs how do you justify sticking with Kerry? just to win a few? i personally dont care if we are 1-15 or 3-13...we still suck.

if kerry was 28 years old it would be different...

my whole POINT was that fisher thinks, we think Vince gives us a better chance to win NOW...and that is NOT the reason i want him to play. thats all im saying man

[pookha]

And I'm sure the team is happy some people listen to supreme chairman for life Fisher and automatically assume that because he's the coach, every decision he makes is automatically correct, and us mere mortals are all fools and imbeciles for even daring to theorize about the mighty game of football.

well he did make a lot of fans look stupid when they went 1-4 and by sticking with mcnair.

no he isnt perfect but he also has access to info we dont have.

if indeed kevin is playing seriously hurt it would be yet another reason to wait and do the switch after the bye week.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

So if VY would play and nothing changed.... what would people say then?

i would say.....Fine at least we now know that we need to draft a QB next year...what happens if he never plays? Do we just keep Vince and pay him and hope? or just cut him and he signs with another team and has a great career? what do we say then? we are gonna lose to indy and NE either way so why not just see how vince can play on a big stage against Peyton Manning? No he doesnt have to win....he doesnt have to outplay Manning...or even Collins for that matter...we just want to see that he is progressing and maybe showing signs of maturing as a QB. If so then maybe we got our man. If he plays the rest of the way and runs around like a retard throwing picks, giving up on his team...and...to steal a quote about Manny Ramirez...."Vince just being Vince" then we can cut him and all of that bonus money and look elsewhere

[amy]

What I want to know is why KC was given a two year contract. If they gave it to him because they thought they could win a SB with him, I have news for them. If they gave it to him because they knew VY is not anywhere near ready, then that is even worse.

[Jones31]

What I want to know is why KC was given a two year contract. If they gave it to him because they thought they could win a SB with him, I have news for them. If they gave it to him because they knew VY is not anywhere near ready, then that is even worse.

Don't look at the details of the contract, that thing was written based on him being here one year, notice all the $$$ is guaranteed for this year.