Titans Sign Patrick Ramsey

[Aaron3322]

http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-1/titans-agree-to-terms-with-qb-ramsey/e5b79e76-cf4a-4520-98e4-53dfb8c0a944

[Fairweather Fan]

Thanks for the link, even if it is from titansonline.:thumbsup

[pookha]

life got far more interesting at baptist sports park.

[Jones31]

Not really surprised about this, if NE didn't bring in a vet last year. I really didn't expect them to land him.

[zonian]

Interesting...

[Sect309Fan]

So basically the Titans and Broncos traded backup QBs. :blink

[Jones31]

Pretty much.

[Yvette]

I'm trying hard to get excited about this but...

[bucket]

Yvette,
Me, I may not have a high degree of confidence in Ramsey, but I had absolutely NO confidence in Phil Simms. The move is a definite upgrade. I think so, anyway.

[Jones31]

Phil can't do much besides run his mouth in the booth. :lol

[Bobcat]

I don't have much confidence in Phil, or Chris, for that matter...

[felloffthewagon]

I'm trying hard to get excited about this but...

I've got a full on vision of the Titans not having a go to guy @ QB 2 years from now. sigh.

Whatever.

[Titanico]

So basically the Titans and Broncos traded backup QBs. :blink

:lolhit

I was thinking the same thing.

[Titanico]

I'm trying hard to get excited about this but...

I am not excited.

In other words: The Titans know how to make us feel confused and hollowed through the offseasons.

[titansikou]

He was another brilliant pick from the Washington Redskin's hmmm?

[barnybyrd]

Some one who has the potential be a #2, tells me Vince isn't doing too well.

[Sect309Fan]

I am not excited.

In other words: The Titans know how to make us feel confused and hollowed through the offseasons.

I actually feel really good about this offseason so far. It went better than expected, and has the potential to get even better if we get Holt and draft decently.

[bucket]

Phil can't do much besides run his mouth in the booth. :lol
Ok OK, I meant Chris Simms.:doh

[TitansFan23]

I actually feel really good about this offseason so far. It went better than expected, and has the potential to get even better if we get Holt and draft decently.

I'll be a grandfather by the time Holt decides what he's gonna do, and I don't have any kids. :doh

[Yvette]

"Mike Heimerdinger worked with Ramsey for a season in Denver before becoming Titans offensive coordinator."

That one little blurb from the Tennessean has me wondering if Dinger saw something in Ramsey that might push VY?

If losing his job, the confidence of his teammates and being vilified by the national media as a huge bust can't 'push' Vince, then nothing on this planet will, certainly not the signing of a mediocre QB.

[Jones31]

Or he has that one thing I'm not sure they have in Vince.



Confidence.

[TTP77]

If he makes it past camp and onto the regular season roster then I'll read more into it. :unsure Until then I'm not sure we can read too much into this signing.

[barnybyrd]

If losing his job, the confidence of his teammates and being vilified by the national media as a huge bust can't 'push' Vince, then nothing on this planet will, certainly not the signing of a mediocre QB.


That's what I'm saying.


I think you hit the nail on the head. If after sitting on the bench all year and supposedly learning from Kerry, he has to ask "what do I have to do to get my job back" or any question close to this. He didn't learn much.

[DelawareTitans]

It would be interesting if he beats out VY for the #2 spot.

[Sect309Fan]

It would be interesting if he beats out VY for the #2 spot.

I really can't imagine that happening.

[TTP77]

That's what I'm saying.


I think you hit the nail on the head. If after sitting on the bench all year and supposedly learning from Kerry, he has to ask "what do I have to do to get my job back" or any question close to this. He didn't learn much.

This is so true. I wonder if VY can really recover from his "lost season" and what the Titans really do think of his progression. I felt that VY started last season already behind the learning curve and only fell further behind last year with his inability, or unwillingness, to recognize the situation he was in and do anything to correct it. Frankly, I'm to the point now that if the Titans have lost faith in VY and his attitude has sealed his fate so to to speak (not saying it's true but you can make a credible argument that it is) then its time to just move on. I understand VY's contract is relatively cheap this year but looking at the future we only have Kerry under contract for two more years. Why wait until next season to draft your future QB who would then only possibly have one year to learn under Kerry? Go ahead and call the VY experiment a failure and draft a QB this year so he can sit behind Kerry and learn for a couple of years. I'm actually warming to the thought of this Josh Freeman kid.

[pookha]

I really can't imagine that happening.

i can otherwise they would have done what they did in the past for their third string. bring in a younger undeveloped qb.

i wouldnt be suprised if this was to specifically put pressure on vince in case he was getting complacent after sims left.

[zonian]

i can otherwise they would have done what they did in the past for their third string. bring in a younger undeveloped qb.

i wouldnt be suprised if this was to specifically put pressure on vince in case he was getting complacent after sims left.

I agree completely.

[TitanPop]

i can otherwise they would have done what they did in the past for their third string. bring in a younger undeveloped qb.

i wouldnt be suprised if this was to specifically put pressure on vince in case he was getting complacent after sims left.

I also feel like you have hit the nail on the head. :lolhit

[bucket]

I was hoping that they'd draft Chase Daniel, the Missouri QB, but it looks like that is not to be. But, as pookha pointed out, that wouldn't put any immediate pressure on Vince.

[Sect309Fan]

The Titans have only two choices with Vince. Either he will be ready to start in 2010 or he will be cut/traded next offseason. I see Ramsey as the third string QB this year with the possibilty of being the #2 next year if Vince leaves.

[Mike McFan]

Some one who has the potential be a #2, tells me Vince isn't doing too well.

This !:huh

[Nintova]

King wrote this in his Monday Morning QB section 10 things I think I think:

3. I think what I'd be worried about if I were Vince Young and I see the Titans signing Patrick Ramsey to be the third quarterback, is this: Ramsey was a favorite son of offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger when Heimerdinger had him as a No. 2 in Denver, and he knows the offense inside-out, and he's as reliable as the day is long. Young's been interested in what he has to do to win the starting job from Kerry Collins, which, as a top pick three years ago, is a justifiable thing for him to want. What I'd be worried about is sliding down in the pecking order if I didn't do everything right this spring and summer.

I guess I forgot that Ramsey knows this system. That's a marked advantage over Simms who was learning it.

[Sect309Fan]

Ramsey was a favorite son of offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger when Heimerdinger had him as a No. 2 in Denver, and he knows the offense inside-out, and he's as reliable as the day is long.

:orly

I just don't buy it. He was with Dinger for only one season in Denver. And the whole "reliable" thing doesn't hold water.

Peter King is pretty much a hack writer with little inside knowledge.

[barnybyrd]

On 104.5 today, Blaine Bishop was the 5PM guest. He said the thought it was time Vince went to the Titans front office to start talking about being traded. He thought Ramsey being signed should be a sign the Titans have to mentality that they can do with Vince or without him. Time for him to move on and even brought up the idea they might try to trade him during the draft.

[felloffthewagon]

On 104.5 today, Blaine Bishop was the 5PM guest. He said the thought it was time Vince went to the Titans front office to start talking about being traded. He thought Ramsey being signed should be a sign the Titans have to mentality that they can do with Vince or without him. Time for him to move on and even brought up the idea they might try to trade him during the draft.


Couldn't agree more.

I think its time for him to pull a Cutler so he can go somewhere else and ride the pine instead of keeping this franchise from finding the QB of the future.

[Jones31]

On 104.5 today, Blaine Bishop was the 5PM guest. He said the thought it was time Vince went to the Titans front office to start talking about being traded. He thought Ramsey being signed should be a sign the Titans have to mentality that they can do with Vince or without him. Time for him to move on and even brought up the idea they might try to trade him during the draft.

If that's the case, he should have done that the day Kerry was given a 2 year deal. They proved last year they could do without him.

[shadowboxin']

His window of opportunity (as far as having enough value to be traded away) is propped open with a toothpick right now. After this season, nobody's going to trade for him... they'll just wait until he's cut.

[gnarl]

On 104.5 today, Blaine Bishop was the 5PM guest. He said the thought it was time Vince went to the Titans front office to start talking about being traded. He thought Ramsey being signed should be a sign the Titans have to mentality that they can do with Vince or without him. Time for him to move on and even brought up the idea they might try to trade him during the draft.

if vince does happen to do this, then i said trade him. proves he doesn't care about his teammates or the organization.

granted vince came off as a crybaby, but apparently so he was because he wasn't pleased with himself as far as what he was doing on the field.

the dude just wants to better himself and become the elite player he was in college. (if he is able to do this) this would elevate the titans to a championship team.

but the front office knows what theyre doing, Kerry is perfect right now. He is a short term fix/security blanket. I believe if he Vince shows he wants to be the future of this team and shows to the coaches he is progressing. IMHO, 2010 season...VY will be the starter. but if all signs point the other way, Kerry will play out his 2 years, being the 2nd year on his contract...we draft somebody or sign a very young player.

[pookha]

:orly

I just don't buy it. He was with Dinger for only one season in Denver. And the whole "reliable" thing doesn't hold water.

Peter King is pretty much a hack writer with little inside knowledge.

except he is far from the only person saying stuff like that.

it maybe the team is sending out some strong signals they are tired of the whole melodrama.
at one time i too thought vince was safe until next season but more and more i am starting to think the team might rather take the cap hit this season then have more months of vince sulking around which is how wyatt has described it on the air.

interestingly enough wycheck also seems to think ramsey was bought in to push vince.

signing ramsey is like throwing the gaunlet down at vince.
either rise to the occasion or we are making preperations now to live without you.

as for trades right now vince just dosnt have a lot of value.

big difference between a qb having melodrama moments during the offseason as opposed to one who quit on his team during a game.
and so far cutler has out shown vince as far as passing ability.

for a team to even consider him it would take his contract being reworked because no team would want to deal with the upcoming salary hit next season.

[TTP77]

According to JTB on Titanscentral, the cap hit to cut VY this year would be 7.38 million but if they wait until next year the cap hit is 4.92 million. That's really not a huge differential considering the cost of waiting could be far greater in terms of developing a future QB.

[Yvette]

But the move doesn’t have to be a white flag on Young. It all goes back to what Jeff Fisher said about Young at the start of the off-season. He must show the type of dedication to his profession needed in order to succeed. In other words, doing it Young’s way didn’t work in the long run, once teams adjusted to his physical abilities.

Fisher and the Titans have made it clear that Young must do it their way in order to maximize any chance he has of redeeming himself here.

And to his credit, Young has asked what he needs to do to be the starter again.

As Fisher said, a good first step was taking part in the whole off-season program, which by all accounts Young has done.

The second step for Young came into focus on Friday. His next move is to take the right approach and right attitude and win the competition that will surely come with Ramsey as the second quarterback in training camp.

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=67345
For VY's sake, his legendary competitive streak better be wide awake and hopefully he's added "team" to his vocabulary.

[pookha]

According to JTB on Titanscentral, the cap hit to cut VY this year would be 7.38 million but if they wait until next year the cap hit is 4.92 million. That's really not a huge differential considering the cost of waiting could be far greater in terms of developing a future QB.

it is betweeen 7.7 and 10 million accelrated bonus if he is cut this year.

next year they have a big savings if they cut him considering his salary balloons plus there is a roster bonus.

the hit if the bonus is outwieghed by the big savings then.

still yeah considering they may come out of the summer with a lot of cap room left considering there really isnt a lot of high quality high price free agents about i wouldnt be suprised if they do let him go.

but i dont expect it to happen until just before the start of the season as insurance in case they have an injury during camp.

but you know i wouldnt be suprised if they draft a qb in the third or later rounds either.

[TTP77]

The later round QB's aren't impressive to me. Really, the only QB we have a shot at taking is Freeman. He may not be there at 30 either and I'm ambivalent about using another high draft pick on another QB so soon. As for the money stuff, yeah, there may be unreported money that takes it up to 10 this year. i was only pointing out that it's not really much of a difference in the larger scheme of things if the Titans do decide to cut bait this year.

[JCBRAVE]

All this QB talk is pissing me off. Vince is by far a better player for us. So what if Ramsey is a QB. He will not win us games. The same as Simms didn't do anything. VY wins us games. That is all he does is win us games. He wont throw 300 yards to win. He just wins. No need to have Ramsey. If our offense was a normal offense then fine have three QB's, but it isn't. We don't even need two QB's. Why don't we get ourselves an additional kicker too. At least our kicker is used more than our QB's.

[Jones31]

I don't get why people get in a tiff about competition for a QB who got benched last year. VY doesn't win many games from the sidelines, as 2008 proved.

[TTP77]

If our offense was a normal offense then fine have three QB's, but it isn't. We don't even need two QB's.

What's your definition of a normal offense? And in your scenario who would play QB if the starter got hurt?

[TTP77]

Kuharsky just did a blog post on VY's cap numbers...

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-9-44/Vince-Young-s-cap-implications.html

Looks like JTB's numbers were spot on.

[Jones31]

He must be reading message boards today.

[TTP77]

He does seem to get a lot of stuff from the boards. :lol I didn't know he had registered here though.

[barnybyrd]

All this QB talk is pissing me off. Vince is by far a better player for us. So what if Ramsey is a QB. He will not win us games. The same as Simms didn't do anything. VY wins us games. That is all he does is win us games. He wont throw 300 yards to win. He just wins. No need to have Ramsey. If our offense was a normal offense then fine have three QB's, but it isn't. We don't even need two QB's. Why don't we get ourselves an additional kicker too. At least our kicker is used more than our QB's.

:faint

[pookha]

He does seem to get a lot of stuff from the boards. :lol I didn't know he had registered here though.

he is at titans central net..