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ZachLV27
11-07-2009, 01:54 PM
Here is a really good read about one of the biggest things wrong with college football. Boise State is held down because "they don't play anyone" and yet nobody will even schedule them. Most schools work out a home and home series where each teams get a home game and that is often the excuse for major programs turning down games against smaller schools like Boise State. They don't like the risk / reward of going into that other teams house.

Well, Boise State doesn't even want a home game. They'll gladly just play anyone at their stadium yet they have no takers. Yes, some schools have that date locked up already but many do not.

This story is a good read on it.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


RUSTON, La. – Is it cowardice or collusion?

Boise State athletic director Gene Bleymaier is all but begging for a major opponent – any major opponent – to play his Broncos, particularly in 2011. He can hardly get his calls returned. Not by the SEC. Not by the Big Ten. Not by anyone.

Bleymaier is making a nearly unheard of offer in college football scheduling – Boise will bring its popular, high-profile, top-10 team to any stadium in any town to play any big name team in America in 2011. And they don’t have to return the date in Idaho.

So far, no one has bit.

ESPN has even become involved trying to broker a deal that will almost assuredly be nationally televised. Still no luck.

It’s the kind of non-conference game that should have schools salivating. Boise delivers an opponent that will challenge your players, exposure that will extend your brand and a home game that will excite your fans.

“It’s been surprising how many big schools have not been receptive of us coming to their place,” Bleymaier said.

This is the conundrum for the upstart program and every non-major conference school trying to battle for national respect.

Boise is 44-4 over the past four seasons, including 4-1 against major conference opponents. Yet that doesn’t guarantee the Broncos a slot in a big money BCS bowl due to the level of competition they play in the Western Athletic Conference.

The school acknowledges it needs to play tougher teams. Yet how can they beat quality opponents if quality opponents won’t play them?

What Boise is left with is games like Friday’s here. They traveled 2,000 miles to beat Louisiana Tech 45-35, a conference game, and improve to 9-0 on the season. For that they practically had to apologize because it wasn’t a blowout.

“That’s how it always is when we play,” coach Chris Petersen said. “It’s never good enough. It’s good enough for us, we won. If you’re looking to win by so much, if you’re looking for style points, if you’re looking to play for the polls, which we’re not, it’s not going to be good enough.”

Petersen has had it with arguing about whether the Broncos deserve a BCS bid. All he can do is win games. His team beat the one major opponent that would play them this year – a 19-8 victory over Oregon in the season opener. That same Oregon team is now 8-1.

Yet he deals with questions about who his team plays in the WAC. Boise won consecutive games this year by a combined score of 99-16 and dropped from No. 4 to No. 7 in the BCS standings. Petersen said he wouldn’t be surprised if they dropped again this week. They may again put together a perfect season only to be left out.

The only answer is to play better non-conference opponents. Next season they have games against Oregon State and Virginia Tech. After that though, things may be drying up. In 2011, they can’t get one game, let alone two.

So are the big schools scared of playing Boise? Avoiding tough non-conference opponents is the new trend in college football thanks to the BCS. The championship system discourages dangerous, if exciting, out-of-league scheduling as it continues to sap the life out of the regular season.

Or, perhaps, this is how the major conferences are going to deal with the Broncos.

Put it this way, if no one good agrees to play Boise then Boise can’t beat anyone any good. And if Boise can’t beat anyone any good, then how can they ever argue they’re deserving of a spot in a $17.5 million BCS bowl?

“I don’t think it’s collusion,” Bleymaier said. “I think it’s athletic directors going to their football coaches and saying, ‘hey, what about playing this school?’ If coaches had their druthers they’d play sisters of the poor 11 times.”

Still, the frustration is obvious.

“Some of those schools that are saying ‘let them play our schedule’ won’t play us,” Bleymaier said.

That no one will accept Boise State’s offer is absurd. This isn’t a decade ago, when playing the program was no-win situation. If you won, you were supposed to win because no one had heard of them. If you lost (which was likely) it was a disaster.

There can’t be any college fans left who don’t know how good Petersen’s team is. A game against Boise would bolster anyone’s home schedule. It would be a huge game. The television exposure would be invaluable.

Maybe Florida and Texas don’t need a game with Boise (they can ride non-conference cupcakes to the title game). A middle of the pack Big Ten or Big 12 team certainly does though. Boise’s program is more famous than all of them – the Broncos are on true national television seven times this season alone.

Yet no one wants the game. They’ll schedule mismatches from the old Division I-AA instead (and charge full ticket price). Bleymaier has to keep his composure as he listens to the critics.

Last year Utah went 13-0 yet didn’t have a chance to play for the BCS title. At a Congressional subcommittee hearing University of Nebraska chancellor and BCS figurehead Harvey Perlman was asked what the Utes could’ve done differently.

“They could have played the schedule Nebraska did,” Perlman said.

While it’s par for the course for the BCS to have a leader who has no idea how college football works, what can a Boise State do in the face of that kind of ignorance?

Would Boise accept an invitation to join the Big 12?

“Yeah, of course,” Bleymaier said. “If we were in their conference we’d play that schedule.”

Not only is that not happening they can’t get one game against the league. While Bleymaier won’t say specifically which schools have turned him down, he will say that the open date remains – Sept. 3, 2011. The offer stands, the Broncos will go anywhere.

And, lo and behold, guess which major conference school happens to have an open date? How about Harvey Perlman’s Nebraska, the one-time powerhouse which could use all the big attention grabbing games it can get these days?

Don’t hold your breath on that one – chicken or collusion, the result is the same.

TitansFan23
11-07-2009, 02:24 PM
The championship system discourages dangerous, if exciting, out-of-league scheduling as it continues to sap the life out of the regular season.

That sums it up.

Oregon is a perfect example of why teams in the BCS conferences don't want to take on BSU, and if they don't have to, why should they?

If a team in the SEC can run the table and win the SEC title game, they're going to be in the BCS title game; there's no point in making it a more difficult journey.

I sympathize with BSU, but I can't blame teams for not wanting to take them on.

Give us a playoff, and this will all be moot.

Titan723
11-07-2009, 02:42 PM
And yet the BcS will punish Boise State for this.

Sect309Fan
11-07-2009, 05:54 PM
And yet the BcS will punish Boise State for this.

The BCS isn't punishing Boise State. It has made concessions to allow one non-BCS school into a BCS bowl each year. The problem occurs when two non-BCS schools have undefeated seasons. Unless they are ranked #1 and #2, the BCS can reject the lower seeded one, even if that team is a top 5 team.

ZachLV27
11-07-2009, 08:09 PM
The BCS isn't punishing Boise State. It has made concessions to allow one non-BCS school into a BCS bowl each year. The problem occurs when two non-BCS schools have undefeated seasons. Unless they are ranked #1 and #2, the BCS can reject the lower seeded one, even if that team is a top 5 team.

Because "allowing" one non-BCS school in isn't punishing them? The ACC winner most years isn't even as good as some of the non-BCS schools that have to hope they get into the top 8 to qualify while that ACC team could theoretically not even finish in the top 25. The smaller schools ARE punished each and every year just because they aren't in a conference controlled by the big wigs that made this system.

Sect309Fan
11-07-2009, 08:19 PM
The smaller schools ARE punished each and every year just because they aren't in a conference controlled by the big wigs that made this system.

It is called the BCS championship, not the NCAA championship. I am just not sure even a playoff system will ever fix this situation, unless it is an unwieldy 16 game playoff.

ZachLV27
11-07-2009, 08:57 PM
You know as well as I do that it is the NCAA Championship and that's the problem.

I don't see a playoff fixing it either but that wont stop me from complaining. ;)

Johnnyb
11-08-2009, 04:01 AM
Well you can't really complain about Alabama not scheduling playing tough opponents out of conference. Playing Clemson and Virginia Tech on a neutral site to open the season the past two years and playing Penn State in a home-home series starting next year all on top of playing in the SEC. We're at least trying to add some good teams onto our schedule and while that adds a lot more difficulty to the season, it also adds a lot of fun too.

It's really interesting playing these good teams from other conferences and I think more teams should man up and do it.

But to get some of these teams to actually play some better opponents out of conference you'd have to add some kind of incentive to it to give them a reason to do it.

I don't even know what to say about Boise State. I mean they've been very consistent with the schedules they've over the past several years. I think if they're really wanting to have some tougher opponents and real respect then maybe they should push hard to join a real conference, I mean I know that's a helluva lot easier said than done but that's the only way your ever gonna get teams to play you.

pookha
11-08-2009, 09:05 AM
While Bleymaier won’t say specifically which schools have turned him down, he will say that the open date remains – Sept. 3, 2011. The offer stands, the Broncos will go anywhere.

And, lo and behold, guess which major conference school happens to have an open date? How about Harvey Perlman’s Nebraska, the one-time powerhouse which could use all the big attention grabbing games it can get these days?

Don’t hold your breath on that one – chicken or collusion, the result is the same.

the reporters should start to question perlam about his testimony and why wont nebraska man up and play them.

it looks like the big bad wolf is chicken scared of the little lamb boise state.
:p

bucket
11-08-2009, 10:23 AM
pookha,
For at least the last four seasons, Nebraska's schedule includes at one highly ranked non-conference game. This year it was Virginia Tech at Blacksburg. One of those games was the fourth game of the year and the rest were the third. Boise State is a pretty good team and I'll be surprised if our AD, Tom Osborne, starts the season off with a game against a team of their caliber. The Sept 3rd date would be good for Boise State but not so for us.

Toronto
11-08-2009, 04:49 PM
The only solution for Boise St is try and apply for membership into the PAC10. I don't blame the SEC teams for not adding another tough game to their schedules. All of them already play at least 5 ranked teams per year, and some (Bama took on VA Tech) added difficult games to boot. Ohio St. plays USC, so not like they don't accept tough games. Hey, there's always a rebuilding Michigan or Penn St., but those teams won't help Boise St. either.

TitansFan23
11-08-2009, 04:55 PM
Tennessee scheduled UCLA and got beat by them the past two seasons.

It's tough enough when you play Florida, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina etc...

I don't blame any team in the SEC for not wanting to take on a BSU or Utah or TCU.

don28
11-12-2009, 10:06 PM
Boise State beat Oklahoma in a bowl game on a Statue of Liberty play. In 2005 they went to Georgia and the Bulldogs beat them down 48-13. It's not as if they haven't had their chances.

The University of Florida should play them. They always schedule 2 softies every season. This season's sacrificial lambs were Charleston Southern and Troy. In 2008 it was Hawaii and The Citadel, 2007 was Western Kentucky, Troy, and Florida Atlantic, 2006 was Central Florida and Western Carolina.

ZachLV27
11-12-2009, 11:09 PM
Boise State beat Oklahoma in a bowl game on a Statue of Liberty play. In 2005 they went to Georgia and the Bulldogs beat them down 48-13. It's not as if they haven't had their chances.

The University of Florida should play them. They always schedule 2 softies every season. This season's sacrificial lambs were Charleston Southern and Troy. In 2008 it was Hawaii and The Citadel, 2007 was Western Kentucky, Troy, and Florida Atlantic, 2006 was Central Florida and Western Carolina.

One game against Georgia (same as one game against Oklahoma..that game was much more than just a fluke statue of liberty play though) should not be the basis of their so called chances they have gotten. The Georgia game was also the start of a bad season by the team and a horrible QB by Zebranski. They also tossed their size around in that game and it showed. Since then the recruits BSU has gotten has gone up greatly.

Anyways, Saturday is my birthday and I'll be at the BSU vs Idaho game. Hopefully they destroy them but they are our biggest and longest rival so the game is usually a good one.

Serge
11-15-2009, 12:02 PM
I don't buy that bull**** about certain conference teams not scheduling against tough non conference teams so they schedule to play the Western Wyoming Tech A&M teams because they're "scared" to play a harder schedule than they already are.

That's part of the reason why I don't follow college football as much as I do the pros.

I buy into the Ric Flair mantra of "In order to be the man, you've got to beat the man!"

Titansfan777
11-15-2009, 12:35 PM
They need to join the PAC10 along with one more team like Hawaii, Fresno state...or maybe Utah?

kfmac70
11-27-2009, 10:47 PM
Adding Boise State to a major conference is not going to fix the problem. The problem is not Boise State, it is the flawed NCAA system.

If Boise moves into the Pac-10, then what happens when Nevada starts running the table? Same issue. Move TCU to the Big 12 and then Tulsa or Houston goes nuts. Put Cincinnati in the ACC and well, the ACC's already tried that before and they got worse and not better.

You will always have the major conference have's and the minor conference have-not's.

The only way to solve it is a playoff. Let one or two of the little fellas in along with the major conference champions, and then settle it on the field.

Sect309Fan
11-28-2009, 07:36 AM
The only way to solve it is a playoff. Let one or two of the little fellas in along with the major conference champions, and then settle it on the field.

A playoff (say an 8-team one) solves the problem of giving teams like Cincy and TCU a chance at a national title. It does not solve the problem of getting a team like Boise State into the playoff mix. There will still be good teams, perhaps even undefeated teams, left out.

kfmac70
11-28-2009, 03:27 PM
An argument could be made that some major conferences are clogging up spots in the BCS and don't deserve to be there, like the ACC, Pac-10 or the Big 10.

Sect309Fan
11-28-2009, 04:36 PM
An argument could be made that some major conferences are clogging up spots in the BCS and don't deserve to be there, like the ACC, Pac-10 or the Big 10.

I completely disagree. Big East leader is undefeated and #5. ACC leader is #7, Pac-10 leader is #8, and Big 10 leader is #10.

Those seem quite worthy to me. It is really rare to have a BCS conference champion that isn't ranked high (though the conference championship games sometimes produce big upsets).

Sect309Fan
11-29-2009, 05:22 AM
Well, the ACC lost some prestige yesterday, with both of their championship teams falling to mid-level SEC teams. If Clemson beats GT for the championship, a 4-loss team will be in the BCS.

The good news is that Boise State is definitely getting in the BCS, if it wasn't already. #9 Pittsburgh lost, as did #12 Oklahoma State.

Titansfan777
11-29-2009, 11:48 AM
The ACC is possibly the only major conference I can see the big10 being better than. Maybe the big east too.

MillaKilla8
11-29-2009, 12:02 PM
An argument could be made that some major conferences are clogging up spots in the BCS and don't deserve to be there, like the ACC, Pac-10 or the Big 10.

From top to bottom, the Pac 10 is as good if not better than any conference in the country. It's not usually like this, but this year is the first year in a long time the Pac has been this deep.

kfmac70
11-29-2009, 10:48 PM
Boise State beat the Pac-10 leader. The Big East leader is actually going to get a lower spot in the BCS pecking order in my opinion because of the bigger conferences, despite the tie-ins, they should have a shot at No. 1. The Big 10 leader is a joke, and we all know it, and the ACC leaders just got smacked by the SEC in the final weekend, and Oklahoma State got smoked by Oklahoma.

The BCS should include Boise State, TCU and Cincinnati in my opinion and it won't.

Sect309Fan
12-02-2009, 06:04 AM
The BCS should include Boise State, TCU and Cincinnati in my opinion and it won't.

Of course it will. They are all locks.


Championship: SEC winner vs. Texas
Sugar: SEC loser vs. TCU
Orange: Cincy vs. ACC winner
Rose: Ohio St vs. Oregon
Fiesta: Boise St vs. Iowa

kfmac70
12-03-2009, 11:45 PM
Not if Texas gets beat.

Sect309Fan
12-04-2009, 02:35 PM
Not if Texas gets beat.

Not necessairly. It just means that a two loss Big 10 team misses out.

kfmac70
12-05-2009, 02:25 PM
Today's Big East game doesn't change the BCS slot for a Big East automatic bid, but Cincy is going belly up.

kfmac70
12-05-2009, 02:27 PM
Well, they might come back. Still the third quarter.

Sect309Fan
12-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Is anyone disappointed that TCU and Boise State play each other in the Fiesta Bowl? I was hoping TCU would play Florida, Cincinnati would play Georgia Tech, and Boise State would play Iowa.

I just don't know how to evaluate the Fiesta Bowl now. Is it the #2 BCS bowl behind the National Championship game? Is it #3 behind that game and the Sugar Bowl? Or is it even lower since no BCS school is in it?

I really wanted TCU and Boise State to play BCS schools to prove their strength.

shadowboxin'
12-06-2009, 08:38 PM
Just the BCS covering their ass... I really wanted TCU-Florida too. Now they've guaranteed that one of the undefeated teams lose, while the winner gets slapped with the "they weren't even playing a REAL school" tag. Typical BCS.

Jones31
12-06-2009, 08:43 PM
What he said. ^

pookha
12-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Just the BCS covering their ass... I really wanted TCU-Florida too. Now they've guaranteed that one of the undefeated teams lose, while the winner gets slapped with the "they weren't even playing a REAL school" tag. Typical BCS.

yeah i could easily see the bs championship people putting pressure on the fiesta to do this.
can you imagine the craziness if both boise and tcu went and beat their schools.

no way were they going to allow that happen.

and i coud see either boise or tcu beating florida.