Bulluck needs to be re-signed

[Sect309Fan]

I think he has proven a lot this year. He seemed to be getting old last year, but I have been very impressed with his performance this season. The defense hasn't been the same, but it isn't because of him.

I really hope the Titans can make it where he retires a Titan.

[ryangm2123]

no offense but if it is a choice between bulluck and kvb, cya kyle!

[Titan723]

The day Keith leaves the Titans is the day the heart is cut out.

[TTP77]

I would like to see him get a new contract as well. I already told Bud to open his pocketbook and pay the man. :) Worse case scenario is that he'll get tagged during the offseason. I wouldn't care much for the move but that's what we'll probably do.

[Jimmyd24]

he is the heart and soul to our defense. some players mean more to their team then just their playing ability and he is one of them. he is the glue that holds this team together and one of the only players imo to play hard that whole patriots game.

[TNTitan]

i dont see it happening. its just not our M.O. i would love to seem him signed though.

[don28]

Does Keith Bulluck want to stay here? He didn't sound like he wanted to be here before the season started.

[TTP77]

He's always said he does. He was rightfully disappointed he didn't get approached in the offseason. He'll have no choice if we tag him.

[Viva La Titans]

I say the Titans keep Keith until Syracuse can produce another NFL linebacker....

...it's tough up here in NY

...might want to grab a Snickers....


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[DelawareTitans]

It's not like they won't have the cap room.

[mrpeterson931]

Does Keith Bulluck want to stay here? He didn't sound like he wanted to be here before the season started.

I saw him on Titans Tuesday earlier this year. He didn't sound thrilled about staying then either!

[Face]

I saw him on Titans Tuesday earlier this year. He didn't sound thrilled about staying then either!

Would anybody want to stay at an 0-6 team? How great would that INT have been had he been able to pull it in?

[TTP77]

I saw him on Titans Tuesday earlier this year. He didn't sound thrilled about staying then either!

I didn't get that impression. I don't think he wants to talk about it during the season though.

[TNTitan]

Bulluck will be tagged and then depart pretty much the same way Albert went.

[Sect309Fan]

Bulluck will be tagged and then depart pretty much the same way Albert went.

I seriously doubt that. He isn't worth what the tag would cost, unlike Albert. The Titans just need to give him a competitive contract that is pretty much guarenteed for at least 2 years.

[TTP77]

I disagree. He's absolutely worth the price of the tag. There is no salary cap next year.

[Sect309Fan]

I disagree. He's absolutely worth the price of the tag. There is no salary cap next year.

The salary cap has never been the issue with Bulluck. The Titans would be well under it signing him or not signing him. It is all about whether they want to pay him what Bulluck wants for as many years as needed to make him retire a Titan.

[TTP77]

53 is our defensive leader and wears the defensive helmet. he calls the plays. he's worth the tag price. The real question is whether we think long term McRath or Keglar can fill that role. I don't think we know yet and we'll need another year. That's why we'll tag him to see what happens there.

[TNTitan]

i hope you guys are right.. its just not typical for the Titans to resign high priced vets.

[Parddy]

It is all about whether they want to pay him what Bulluck wants for as many years as needed to make him retire a Titan.

Isn't that what every player wants?

Teams that get too sentimental get themselves into trouble in the long run. Place a value on the position, make him a fair offer, and be prepared to move on.

[Stltitansfan29]

They will probly mess it up like Fat al tag him with incentives not to be tagged again then he cashes in on FA

[SouthSide Titan]

He's called Mr.Monday Night for a reason.Leadership is what he provides which is why he needs to be resigned. Imo, Tulloch is next in line for being our defensive leader.

[Cld12pk2go]

If we can resign him for a Kearse-like deal (2yr ~3M/yr), then keep him. I don't think he is going to be worth 7M/yr moving forward.

[TNTitan]

Watch Belichick sign him to a huge deal to replace Seau

[section105]

I luv me sum KB53. Hope they do him right and hope he has a desire to retire a Titan.

Big Al can kiss my A$$ all the way to IR (after he stops at the bank to cash Snyder's check). The Titans made the right call on that one.

[SouthSide Titan]

Watch Belichick sign him to a huge deal to replace Seau

:facepalm Please don't speak that into existence.......

[TTP77]

I think most teams will use the expiration of the CBA rules to build their teams. There's still a possibility of a lockout after next year. I wonder how willing teams will be to do contracts with older players (in NFL years anyway). You can spend the money in one lump sum to keep the player's services or you can spread the money out over the course of 3 years (no way Keith agrees to a 2 year deal that would be insane). With the upcoming labor uncertainty I see us going the franchise route. We'll have 1 franchise tag and 2 transitional tags.

[SouthSide Titan]

I think most teams will use the expiration of the CBA rules to build their teams. There's still a possibility of a lockout after next year. I wonder how willing teams will be to do contracts with older players (in NFL years anyway). You can spend the money in one lump sum to keep the player's services or you can spread the money out over the course of 3 years (no way Keith agrees to a 2 year deal that would be insane). With the upcoming labor uncertainty I see us going the franchise route. We'll have 1 franchise tag and 2 transitional tags.

^^^Indeed.

[TNTitan]

:facepalm Please don't speak that into existence.......

Hey.. I "spoke" that Chris Henry would be an impact player after the draft.. so I obviously dont have the speak-to-existence power, dont worry :D

[titan122]

Isn't Kb already one of the top paid lb's in the league? I thought I had heard that somewhere earlier this year. If he is then whats the hurt in just extending that and giving him some incentive laden contract where he can make up to ???$$$ and keep the man who keeps our d together.

As far as replacing him I think we know keglar is not the answer but seeing mcrath already making plays on the field that makes me hopeful.

But because of that it aslo gives me reasons to think that you put the young guys on the field a little their first year and then their second year they are the starter replacing one of the veteran leaders on the team.

I know our history of not paying big dollars to guys especially ones that are reaching the end of their career but I can see it going in any of the 3 directions (1, they tag him. 2, they give him the contract he wants. 3, let him hit the road and let one of the young guys learn on the field.

If the ratbirds can agree on a deal with ray the murderer lewis then why cant our titans agree on a deal with kb.

The titans d without keith would be like the ravens d without ray ray.

[TTP77]

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2009/12/2/1182856/keith-bulluck-best-linebacker-in

[Jones31]

:facepalm

[SouthSide Titan]

Hey.. I "spoke" that Chris Henry would be an impact player after the draft.. so I obviously dont have the speak-to-existence power, dont worry :D

:lol:lol cool.

[Parddy]

The titans d without keith would be like the ravens d without ray ray.

I like Keith Bulluck but, he is no Ray Lewis. Off the field issues aside Lewis is one of the most dominant linebackers ever to play the game.

[Jones31]

Bulluck on his future (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/6754/bulluck-on-his-future)


I can't say this is promising.

[Yvette]

Q: That would be a fair number for one year, yeah? The average of the top five highest paid linebackers?

A: "It has nothing to do with the number. That franchise number is a very nice number, we’re not arguing about that. I would have to put more thought into how I really feel about it, I don’t want to put anything out there that I haven’t really sat down and thought about in depth."

**********

I understand Keith, it's about respect and you have mine :thumbsup

[TTP77]

FWIW, Fisher said on his show last night we were going to try and work something out with him. KVB too.

Also, I agree with him about the franchise tag thing because it does only give him one year security but from a team perspective it's not a selfish but a smart move. I personally side with the players but I understand the management position.

[Parddy]

I understand where Bulluck is coming from, he wants the YEARS like most athletes do and who can blame him. The Titans are faced with a 32 year old linebacker who probably has reached his peak. It will be interesting to see what the market holds for players in the same shoes as Keith. I have no clue.

[Southside Tirant]

I thought this coming Off-season team's can Franchise 2 player's? But however it works out will be fine! Whichever one doesn't get re-signed we will draft or get someone via Free agency! But out of the whole crop of player's that need new contracts on our team i would give Bulluck a new contract instead of one or all the rest of them.

[TTP77]

I think teams will get a franchise tag and an extra transition tag.

[TNTitan]

FWIW, Fisher said on his show last night we were going to try and work something out with him. KVB too.

Also, I agree with him about the franchise tag thing because it does only give him one year security but from a team perspective it's not a selfish but a smart move. I personally side with the players but I understand the management position.

yea.. he said that about Albert too.

[MrBean]

yea.. he said that about Albert too.

And he didn't lie. They did try to work something out with Albert.

[TNTitan]

And he didn't lie. They did try to work something out with Albert.

hmm. the Bucs offered Big Al $120 million +20% bonusable ... the Skins offered him $100 million w/ $41 garunteed...

and the Titans offered him $34MM w/ 20 guaranteed.

I'm not sure we were really trying.

[MrBean]

hmm. the Bucs offered Big Al $120 million +20% bonusable ... the Skins offered him $100 million w/ $41 garunteed...

and the Titans offered him $34MM w/ 20 guaranteed.

I'm not sure we were really trying.

So you expected us to go back into cap hell for one player?

[TNTitan]

So you expected us to go back into cap hell for one player?

not at all - im just saying we didnt really try. we knew our offer would be declined. it was a conciliatory offer at best. I have a feeling we might see the same thing with KB.

[Jones31]

Well he isn't worth what WSH is paying him.... that's for certain.

[TNTitan]

Well he isn't worth what WSH is paying him.... that's for certain.

Agreed - and perhaps the titans knew that going in - which would explain why they didnt really try to keep him.

[TTP77]

http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2009/12/09/bulluck-prepared-for-final-four/

[Old Oilers Fan]

None of us fans can do anything about his contract but we all can show how much we appreciate his time as a Titan. The fans at the finale home game should stand and cheer for the man until he comes out and tip his helmet. I wonder if there is a way that us out of towners can let our appreciation be known as well.

The Titan front office needs to get something done. I am sick of my favorite Titan players retiring from another teams and it all starts with Earl Campbell. :mad:

[Jimmyd24]

So you expected us to go back into cap hell for one player?

no but al was even reported as saying that they were very close to a deal the offseason before his FA period. instead, we slapped the tag on him and pissed him off, making it less likely that he would want to resign with us.

if we would actually try to work hard to resign some of these guys before the time comes then maybe we wouldnt have these problems

and before everyone jumps on me screaming hes not worth a 100 million blah blah, i didnt think he was worth that either. however, i do think he was worth it if we hadnt low balled him earlier.

[RohitTheNair]

We would be a playoff team with Haynesworth in our lineup...I have no doubt in my mind about that.

[zonian]

We would be a playoff team with Haynesworth in our lineup...I have no doubt in my mind about that.

He certainly does catch a boat load of touchdown passes...

[TitansFan370]

As far as I am concerned, Keith #53 is the MOST IMPORTANT man in the Titan organization - much more important to me than J. Fisher or M. Renfeldt. I say let Jeff go and KEEP KEITH. B U L L U C K!

[Jimmyd24]

He certainly does catch a boat load of touchdown passes...

no but his prescence in imo would of helped us to win one of those early games that were close

[RegulatRR27]

honestly I don't see what the big deal is with Bulluck, let me explain.
1. Since about 2004 (when I got my sunday ticket) Bulluck has NEVER been that game changing, big hitting LB
2. He is more of a pass coverage LB, which is good when trying to take down a division with Manning, but after just watching Playbook on NFL network, and seeing Manning make Bulluck look like a rookie with a simple pump fake and slide (those who watch Playbook know what I'm talkin bout) what good is he?
3. He has never been the type of LB to shed blocks and blow people up in the backfield, (i undertsand that he does get SOME ok hits now and then, but not many, and he is not a sure tackler the way he gets talked about sometimes
4. Just cause he led the team in tackles a bunch of years means nuthun, lots of tackles does not mean your a good LB.

With all that said, I believe an upgrade is needed, at least for running downs, and if they wanna keep him around for passing downs, ok then. But once again ever since getting the Sunday ticket, Bulluck has never stood out like a ray lewis does, pat willis does, zach thomas did etc... I mean if he is supposed to be an all-pro like those guys, be a game changer. besides that Mon Night game against the saints, never remember him having a huge game with game changing plays.

bottom line-replacable, easily, but wouldnt be opposed to him staying a few more years

[Stltitansfan29]

KB on the Fran Tag
If there is no cap, they get an extra tag. You think there is a scenario where they franchise you?

KB: I would hope not. I would hope they wouldn’t. I would rather know that I have more than just one year locked in. I think that would be pretty selfish on their part if that’s what they chose to do. But with four games left, I’m not really thinking in depth on it at all.

[TNTitan]

honestly I don't see what the big deal is with Bulluck, let me explain.
1. Since about 2004 (when I got my sunday ticket) Bulluck has NEVER been that game changing, big hitting LB
2. He is more of a pass coverage LB, which is good when trying to take down a division with Manning, but after just watching Playbook on NFL network, and seeing Manning make Bulluck look like a rookie with a simple pump fake and slide (those who watch Playbook know what I'm talkin bout) what good is he?
3. He has never been the type of LB to shed blocks and blow people up in the backfield, (i undertsand that he does get SOME ok hits now and then, but not many, and he is not a sure tackler the way he gets talked about sometimes
4. Just cause he led the team in tackles a bunch of years means nuthun, lots of tackles does not mean your a good LB.

With all that said, I believe an upgrade is needed, at least for running downs, and if they wanna keep him around for passing downs, ok then. But once again ever since getting the Sunday ticket, Bulluck has never stood out like a ray lewis does, pat willis does, zach thomas did etc... I mean if he is supposed to be an all-pro like those guys, be a game changer. besides that Mon Night game against the saints, never remember him having a huge game with game changing plays.

bottom line-replacable, easily, but wouldnt be opposed to him staying a few more years

I agree with alot of this except the comment about KB not being outstanding like Ray ray, willis, or Zach thomas.. what?! KB has certainly stood out. Hes the most recognizable player on our defense and has been for the better part of a decade. Hes known throughout the league as a baller and has been a top 10 linebacker for most of his NFL career.

His best days on the field are certainly behind him, but I think his leadership in the locker-room cannot be underestimated. He has probably been more influential on Stephen Tullochs development than anyone and was a big part of last years defensive success.

[Parddy]

honestly I don't see what the big deal is with Bulluck, let me explain.
1. and he is not a sure tackler the way he gets talked about sometimes


He used to be a VERY solid tackler. He has declined noticeably in that dept.

He has been a great Titan, pillar in the community and a super leader. That being said I agree with much of your post.

I would love to see him stay and quite honestly I don't think anybody is going to overwhelm him with a long term deal at this point in his career.

I hope we get something done at a reasonable figure.

[RegulatRR27]

yea he is a good leader and all out that, but a top 10 LB or not, (or w/e the media says, hell I still read articles where those media people still misspell his name) he has in the past put up high tackle numbers, but again having a bunch of tackles doesnt alone make you a great LB.

I think the whole defense (front 7 more so) needs to get bigger. All our LBs besides maybe Keglar, don't have prototypical size, they al built for defending the pass and being quick. And now that haynesworth is gone, the d-line is very small outside of vickerson/marks, who barely play. Thats why unless every one of those guys plays their gap perfectly and don't miss tackles, teams over power them easily. Evidence of J. Addai pounding 2 runs inside of the 5 yard line with no effort from the D to stop him.

Still hoping for a change to 3-4, start by gathering some inside LBs that would fit it this off-season. I think Ford/hayes could be the outside backers. just hoping....

[Yvette]

... I mean if he is supposed to be an all-pro like those guys...
Just wanted to point out he was All-Pro in '02 and '03.

[Parddy]

That is all true Y, he was a great player. What I THINK Rugulat is saying , and I tend to agree with him, is that when you make a multi-year commitment to a player you should also be upgrading the position. At this point in Bullucks' career we would not be doing that. Does anybody think he will improve in the next two or three years? It's no fault of Keiths that father time is catching up. I get the sentimental stuff, I honestly do....But, for the good of the team, well....

[Yvette]

That is all true Y, he was a great player. What I THINK Rugulat is saying ...
I understood what he was saying when I read it and my post actually bolsters his. 2003 was six years ago; a very long time in this league where players age dramatically.

Still, I don't want to see KB anywhere else but here ;)

[Parddy]

Still, I don't want to see KB anywhere else but here ;)


................For the right price. :p

[Yvette]

I'm with you. I may be sentimental but I'm not stupid :lol

[RegulatRR27]

Just wanted to point out he was All-Pro in '02 and '03.

Yes and I said since I've been watching him (2004) if you would have read the post throughly, he hasn't done barely anything to be considered an all-pro

[Yvette]

Guilty as charged :lol

[TTP77]

We have two home games left. I think its time to see some signs at the games peeps expressing our desire to have Keith back after this year.

[Yvette]

I wish everyone would chant his last name at our last game. I'm not ready to lose him :sad

[TTP77]

we need to launch a counter-offensive. make it clear what the fans want. next year is uncapped (it's unlikely we'll get an extensive of the CBA). We need to get a deal done. Front load a contract with Keith. With no cap it wouldn't be a problem and Bud has the money and he should spend it. You know he's going to pay Vince's bonus. What's the money going to be worth to him if he doesn't go out with a ring? I'll bet not much. Do it Bud. Give the man his money. He's earned it.

Besides, we can then put good tenders on Tony Brown, Bo Scaife, and LenDale. Possibly re-sign KVB. Be on the lookout for a CB in FA. Use our draft picks to fill in the holes. Go for the Lombardi before things go to hell.

Do it Bud.

[Yvette]

With no cap it wouldn't be a problem and Bud has the money and he should spend it.
I really want to remind him he can't take it with him. Buy low, sell high is for investing and Bud's done that for years. Now's the time to throw enough money at the problem and some of it will stick.... and stick it to JJ while he's at it. At least take another Lombardi away from him :D

[Old Oilers Fan]

That is the spirit girls I am with you all the way. It is time to let one of our first round draft picks retire as a Titan.

[Sect309Fan]

I really don't think the cap has ever been an issue with Bulluck's contract. Even with a cap, the Titans would have plenty of cap room to sign him.

I see it as just a money and years issue. Keith is going to want 2, maybe 3 years, on a deal. I imagine he wants to be paid well, but I doubt he is even asking for franchise tag money.

The Titans just have to decide whether they want to pay him that for that many years. I hope they do.

[TTP77]

I think it would be a cap issue if we are considering a front loaded contract this next year what with Vince's contract and other issues we might have to consider if we were truly going after the Lombardi. It makes it easier to justify the numbers if we don't have to worry about a spending limit. We won't be the only team looking to do this either. FA contracts are going to be inflated anyway due to supply and demand.

[SouthSide Titan]

I really don't think the cap has ever been an issue with Bulluck's contract. Even with a cap, the Titans would have plenty of cap room to sign him.

I see it as just a money and years issue. Keith is going to want 2, maybe 3 years, on a deal. I imagine he wants to be paid well, but I doubt he is even asking for franchise tag money.

The Titans just have to decide whether they want to pay him that for that many years. I hope they do.

I think with 3 years and a reasonable amount will keep him here. He likes the team and the direction it is going.A lot of money can't replace the kind of comfort zone he has here and I'm sure he does'nt want to disrupt that this late in his career.

[DelawareTitans]

KB should retire as a Titan. I could not stand to see him in any other team's uniform. The FO needs to get it done. He is the heart and soul of that defense.

[gnarl]

since the last home game is against the chargers on christmas.

as cheesy as this sounds, somebody should make a "all I want for christmas is Keith Bulluck to retire a Titan"

or something like that

[Old Oilers Fan]

since the last home game is against the chargers on christmas.

as cheesy as this sounds, somebody should make a "all I want for christmas is Keith Bulluck to retire a Titan"

or something like that

I was thinking the same thing. :thumbsup

I guess that does make it cheesy. :lol

[gnarl]

not trying to thread hi jack.

but while we are at it with the ideas to show KB53 we appreicate him

where are the MVP chants for CJ? :D

[TTP77]

I'ma make one that says


All I want for christmas is Keith Bulluck

hmmm, maybe i shouldn't be on sign detail :ninja

[hooktool]

I'm all for the signs, but I can't imagine they would affect much-maybe they would if Keith was seeing them. Is there something somewhat organized to be done? An on-line petition and/or a real one. Letter writing campaign? It would have to be pretty impressive to have a chance I would think, because we all know fans don't make the decisions, nor should they. But maybe we could this once. :D

John

[pookha]

i would give him two years with an option for a third.
he didnt play a lot his rookie year if i remember correctly so his legs are not as old as some think.
if anything i think he is playing smarter and better this year then last.

linebacker unlike corner back or running back is a position were smarts can compensate for awhile with decline in quickness.
and some of the quickness is still there.

and i really believe some of this probowl stuff as has much to do with name and national exposure then anything.

[TTP77]

AFC South Stock Watch


Rising

1. Keith Bulluck, Titans linebacker: In what might have been his second-to-last home game in a 10-season career with Tennessee -- he’s heading for free agency -- Bulluck helped abuse rookie Rams quarterback Keith Null with two of the Titans’ five interceptions.

Bulluck also was credited with a game-high 10 tackles, one for a loss, and had an additional pass defensed.

[TTP77]

I love his hat...:lol

http://www.titansonline.com/media-center/videos/LB-Keith-Bulluck/ea006dcd-b2b7-442a-b690-88a3feadb7e9

[Old Oilers Fan]

I love his hat...:lol

http://www.titansonline.com/media-center/videos/LB-Keith-Bulluck/ea006dcd-b2b7-442a-b690-88a3feadb7e9

I had a hat that looked just like that in the 80's it had the Oil Derick on it.

Bulluck is such a great leader he speaks and handles the media in a professional manner.

[pookha]

i just see bulluck being very different from albert.
haynesworth had huge issues with how he playing level went up depending on the contract situation.
plus, the end of season injury situation.. (which is also happening now in washington)..

with bulluck you have a highly motivated player who has always played at a high consisent level.

and as far as we know he dosnt have a lot of lingering health issues.

[ryangm2123]

http://www.titansonline.com/media-center/videos/LB-Keith-Bulluck/da9e651a-e12b-4825-bc9e-61977c7877db

lol at his "get out my peyton manning jersey comment"

love this guy

[TTP77]

Keith is so awesome. Classy of him to express condolences not only to Chris Henry's family and friends but to the Bengals.

[Old Oilers Fan]

How can the Titans afford losing a ambassador like Bulluck. Come on Front Office make it happen and resign the man.

[ryangm2123]

How can the Titans afford losing a ambassador like Bulluck. Come on Front Office make it happen and resign the man.

i'll chip in a couple bucks and i'll even save some hair from my next haircut to make a wig for bud

[Code Blue]

The D definatley was not the same once KB went out in the 4th quarter....I hope the next two games aren't to painful to watch...sign him now! We might get him a little cheaper not knowing how the recovery will come out.

[amy]

My guess is, because of this injury, he won't be resigned.

[RegulatRR27]

yea acl's don't usually heal very quickly especially when your in your 30's, so this might be the end of Bulluck

[Cld12pk2go]

Basically, this means that Bulluck won't be able to do much next year until mid-late season, and there is a risk he comes back a lot slower (Sirmon).

I think we keep him around only if he accepts a team-friendly 2-year deal...