Are they so blind they can't see.....

[TitanPop]

Teams are losing against the Colts by going for it on 4th downs instead of kicking the ball. The Titans this week and others before them are so "afraid" of Manning that they don't trust their defenses and instead go for it on 4th down TOO DAM EARLY, and should take the points instead. I was screaming at the TV today, "KICK THE DAM FIELD GOAL"!!! WTF, is wrong with these coaches, the Titans would of been less then a TD away at the end (23-27) IF they would of kicked the field goals! BUT NO, they STUPIDLY had to go for it and give up the points in front of them......... WTF!!!! :doh to FISHER :slap

[MDK Titan]

im still more angry that we came up empty on 1ST AND GOAL AT THE 1!!! seriously 4 plays and you can't punch it in? Maybe the Colts D is that good, they did the same to the Ravens and that ended being the difference. blah.

[pookha]

the field goals wouldnt have tied the game without a two point conversion.

and in the second half manning has been going crazy on teams.

[Sect309Fan]

I would have been a lot angrier at Fisher if he hadn't gone for it on 4th down. We just didn't get it done, unlike last week.

[Mike McFan]

Where the hell is Lendale with 1st and goal at the 1 ?
There is NO WAY they keep LW from busting through.

He has 12 TD's last year in Red Zone opportunities. He was MONEY.
You can't tell me he didn't do SOMETHING to get in Fish's doghouse.
Again, Fish puts his personal feelings about a player OVER giving us the best chance to win.

[TTP77]

I thought we should have put LenDale in right there. CJ was clearly gassed at that point and needed a break.

[Sect309Fan]

QB sneak is a good play call. Vince just dropped it.

[TTP77]

309 I didn't disagree with that call just sayin' CJ was winded on that whole series. We should have put LenDale in there to give CJ a blow.

[Parddy]

Exactly how did that series go again? We fumbled the snap on first down, on second down we handed off and we were called for holding right? Then a short pass to Scaife? Then Young scrambled to the two?

309 do you have the play by play on that series? It was ugly I know, but the only play I remember questioning myself was the 4th down timing route to Britt.

[mrpeterson931]

Where the hell is Lendale with 1st and goal at the 1 ?
There is NO WAY they keep LW from busting through.

He has 12 TD's last year in Red Zone opportunities. He was MONEY.
You can't tell me he didn't do SOMETHING to get in Fish's doghouse.
Again, Fish puts his personal feelings about a player OVER giving us the best chance to win.

Totally agree!... CJ is the man...but Lendale is solid around the goal line. Just look at last year!

[Stltitansfan29]

I didnt get a chance to watch the game so I followed it at work so it only says basic things like cj 5 yrd run but did we mix any option plays in?

[MrBean]

Um. wasn't Lendale in there on second down, where he got stuffed and the holding penalty was called?

[TTP77]

Exactly how did that series go again? We fumbled the snap on first down, on second down we handed off and we were called for holding right? Then a short pass to Scaife? Then Young scrambled to the two?

309 do you have the play by play on that series? It was ugly I know, but the only play I remember questioning myself was the 4th down timing route to Britt.

Yea, you're right and we did have LenDale in there. I know there was a series where CJ was winded. I'll see if I can find it. Here's what we ran


(3:02) V.Young FUMBLES (Aborted) at IND 1, and recovers at IND 1. V.Young to IND 1 for no gain (C.Session).
2-1-IND 1 (2:36) L.White up the middle to IND 1 for no gain (P.Wheeler).
PENALTY on TEN-E.Amano, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at IND 1 - No Play.
2-11-IND 11 (2:09) (Run formation) V.Young pass short right to B.Scaife to IND 9 for 2 yards (C.Session, J.Lacey).
3-9-IND 9 (1:27) (Shotgun) V.Young scrambles left end to IND 2 for 7 yards (M.Bullitt, D.Muir).
Timeout #1 by IND at 01:05.
4-2-IND 2 (1:05) V.Young pass incomplete short left to K.Britt (J.Powers).

[TTP77]

I think this is the drive where I thought CJ needed a break


Tennessee Titans at 14:50
1-10-IND 42 (14:50) (Shotgun) V.Young FUMBLES (Aborted) at IND 48, and recovers at 50. V.Young to IND 48 for 2 yards
(E.Foster). Young credited with 0 yards rushing and -6 fumble return yards.
2-16-IND 48 (14:20) (Run formation) C.Johnson right end to IND 46 for 2 yards (M.Bullitt, A.Bethea).
3-14-IND 46 (13:35) (Shotgun) V.Young pass short right to K.Britt pushed ob at IND 31 for 15 yards (M.Bullitt). P20
1-10-IND 31 (13:06) (Run formation) C.Johnson right end to IND 26 for 5 yards (E.Foster).
2-5-IND 26 (12:37) (Run formation) V.Young pass short left to N.Washington to IND 19 for 7 yards (J.Powers). P21
1-10-IND 19 (12:01) (Run formation) C.Johnson left guard to IND 17 for 2 yards (C.Session, G.Brackett).
2-8-IND 17 (11:25) V.Young pass incomplete short middle to C.Johnson.
3-8-IND 17 (11:20) (Shotgun) V.Young pass short right to C.Johnson to IND 14 for 3 yards (R.Brock).
4-5-IND 14 (10:41) (Shotgun) V.Young pass incomplete short right to L.Hawkins.

[Yvette]

I was happy to see LW yesterday and would've been a lot happier if we had seen more of him.

[Sect309Fan]

2-1-IND 1 (2:36) L.White up the middle to IND 1 for no gain (P.Wheeler).
PENALTY on TEN-E.Amano, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at IND 1 - No Play.


So we did have White in there, and he couldn't score. It would not have counted, but it shows we did do the playcall everyone wanted.

[TitanPop]

I think this is the drive where I thought CJ needed a break

Quote:
Tennessee Titans at 14:50
1-10-IND 42 (14:50) (Shotgun) V.Young FUMBLES (Aborted) at IND 48, and recovers at 50. V.Young to IND 48 for 2 yards
(E.Foster). Young credited with 0 yards rushing and -6 fumble return yards.
2-16-IND 48 (14:20) (Run formation) C.Johnson right end to IND 46 for 2 yards (M.Bullitt, A.Bethea).
3-14-IND 46 (13:35) (Shotgun) V.Young pass short right to K.Britt pushed ob at IND 31 for 15 yards (M.Bullitt). P20
1-10-IND 31 (13:06) (Run formation) C.Johnson right end to IND 26 for 5 yards (E.Foster).
2-5-IND 26 (12:37) (Run formation) V.Young pass short left to N.Washington to IND 19 for 7 yards (J.Powers). P21
1-10-IND 19 (12:01) (Run formation) C.Johnson left guard to IND 17 for 2 yards (C.Session, G.Brackett).
2-8-IND 17 (11:25) V.Young pass incomplete short middle to C.Johnson.
3-8-IND 17 (11:20) (Shotgun) V.Young pass short right to C.Johnson to IND 14 for 3 yards (R.Brock).
4-5-IND 14 (10:41) (Shotgun) V.Young pass incomplete short right to L.Hawkins.

This should have been a FG. Start of the 4th qtr and you go for it BS!! Go for it on 4th down Manning syndrome.

[TitanPop]

the field goals wouldnt have tied the game without a two point conversion.

and in the second half manning has been going crazy on teams.

2 FGs and the game would have been within 4, and if you take away the stupid horsecollar before the half, and the ensuing FG by Indy, the Titans would of only been down by 1. Just saying the game was a LOT closer then it eneded up and could of been another win by the Titans. The Colts aren't that good, and teams are blowing games by going for it on 4th because they are AFRAID of Manning and we all know that to be the truth.

[TTP77]

So we did have White in there, and he couldn't score. It would not have counted, but it shows we did do the playcall everyone wanted.

Wasn't that the play where Amano completely lost his balance and fell taking the defender down with him? I thought it was a great call the problem was that the hold took away a huge amount of running room. Amano's a big boy.

[Sect309Fan]

This should have been a FG. Start of the 4th qtr and you go for it BS!! Go for it on 4th down Manning syndrome.

We were down by 14 with a little over 10 minutes left. We had to go for it, no matter who we were playing.

[Sect309Fan]

Wasn't that the play where Amano completely lost his balance and fell taking the defender down with him? I thought it was a great call the problem was that the hold took away a huge amount of running room. Amano's a big boy.

Yes. It just wasn't our day.

[Parddy]

Thanks for the Play-by-play TTP.

Okay, yes, I thought White was in there and ran the ball. I also think the fumbled snap may have gone to White on first down but we will never know, I believe he was in the back field on that play as well. Somebody looking at the tape can confirm that. Or not.

The holding play was a killer and the short pass to Scaife was snuffed out well by Indy. The only play I had a real problem with was the fourth down pass.

Oh, and if it had worked, I wouldn't have questioned it at all......:D

[Parddy]

We were down by 14 with a little over 10 minutes left. We had to go for it, no matter who we were playing.

I agree. Since we didn't kick the field goal the first time down we had to go for it on the second trip.

As Pops has stated, you can certainly argue that the first time down we should have kicked the field goal and you would have a legitimate gripe. I would however disagree with that argument and gone on 4th as well. IMO

[TTP77]

Thanks for the Play-by-play TTP.

Okay, yes, I thought White was in there and ran the ball. I also think the fumbled snap may have gone to White on first down but we will never know, I believe he was in the back field on that play as well. Somebody looking at the tape can confirm that. Or not.

The holding play was a killer and the short pass to Scaife was snuffed out well by Indy. The only play I had a real problem with was the fourth down pass.

Oh, and if it had worked, I wouldn't have questioned it at all......:D

I didn't care for playcall on 4th down but the play was there. Vince just overthrew Britt.

[Parddy]

I didn't care for playcall on 4th down but the play was there. Vince just overthrew Britt.

Agreed. It was what it was. The whole damn game was a bunch of would've, could've, should've type things... Made it very frustrating.

The Titans played their B game, not bad, better than average, not great. B games work sometimes, they just don't get it done against Indy. Need to bring the A.

*Shrug*

[Sect309Fan]

Agreed. It was what it was. The whole damn game was a bunch of would've, could've, should've type things... Made it very frustrating.

The Titans played their B game, not bad, better than average, not great. B games work sometimes, they just don't get it done against Indy. Need to bring the A.

*Shrug*

Yep. Too many mistakes.

If it is any consolation, I bet teams like the Steelers, Vikings, Redskins, and Patriots are feeling the same way today.

[Parddy]

If it is any consolation, I bet teams like the Steelers, Vikings, Redskins, and Patriots are feeling the same way today.

No consolation whatsoever.

[TitansFan23]

We were down by 14 with a little over 10 minutes left. We had to go for it, no matter who we were playing.

Had we taken both FG's we would have only been down 8.

[Sect309Fan]

Had we taken both FG's we would have only been down 8.

You fail to take into account the field position is completely different if you take the first field goal. Instead of the Colts pinned at the one, they have the ball somewhere between the 20 and the 40. Even with a 3 and out, the Titans likely start around their own 20 instead of inside Colts territory.

The Titans did the right thing. I don't see anyone can question it, especially after the results of last week's game. This is a team that usually converts on 4th down.

[TitansFan23]

You fail to take into account the field position is completely different if you take the first field goal. Instead of the Colts pinned at the one, they have the ball somewhere between the 20 and the 40. Even with a 3 and out, the Titans likely start around their own 20 instead of inside Colts territory.

The Titans did the right thing. I don't see anyone can question it, especially after the results of last week's game. This is a team that usually converts on 4th down.

That's all well and good 309, but you still take the points.

You don't go for it because you're terrified of Peyton Manning getting the ball back at the 20+. You put faith in your defense; if you have none, then kick the FG and onside.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Sect309Fan]

The ball was on the 3 yard line. Who wouldn't go for it down 14?

You guys are complaining because it didn't work. Sometimes that happens. Not every 4th down can go our way. But it was the right call, and I doubt you would find any coach in the NFL that would disagree with it.

[pookha]

has anyone other team gone for it on fourth beyond us and the pats???

the thing of it the two situations are totally different considering time in the game and score.
new england going for it was the wrong move considering their field postion, time and score.

things were different for the titans.

as i said last week you have to be prepared to put up more then 17 points to beat the colts.
at some time peyton will break out on you.

one of the closest games the colts had was the 49's one.
it had more to do with their utter inability to convert third downs
( just 2 of 10 on third down, including 0 for 7 in situations of third-and-10 or longer) not going for it on fourth that killed them.

in fact they didnt go for it on fourth once.

even though the 49's did one of the best jobs of containing manning the 49's had their own issues and 14 points wasnt the answer/

in the first texans had a field goal go against them but more so just like tony brown gave the colts that field goal three of the colts drives against the texans were aided by texans penalties.
The Texans had 13 flags for 103 yards.
once again playing mistake free more important.

another close game was with the ravens who indeed could not beat the colts with field goals.
five of them...
but interceptions and fumbles also hurt them.

[pookha]

That's all well and good 309, but you still take the points.

You don't go for it because you're terrified of Peyton Manning getting the ball back at the 20+. You put faith in your defense; if you have none, then kick the FG and onside.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

it isnt faith in the defense but rather the knowldge those three points as opposed to getting seven are not winning the game.

the only hope is to get on top with at least 20 points and then try to be mistake free.
because the colts will take advantage of every penalty and mistake.

[hooktool]

That's all well and good 309, but you still take the points.

You don't go for it because you're terrified of Peyton Manning getting the ball back at the 20+. You put faith in your defense; if you have none, then kick the FG and onside.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

How about having faith in your offense?:D

John

[Titansfan777]

im still more angry that we came up empty on 1ST AND GOAL AT THE 1!!! seriously 4 plays and you can't punch it in? Maybe the Colts D is that good, they did the same to the Ravens and that ended being the difference. blah.

same hting happened to Michigan against Illinois. Michigan was about to make it 20-7 but instead they get stopped at first and 1, second and 1, third and 1, and fourth and 1...Michigan ends up with a 13-7 lead, and on the next play the Illini score and the team quit...and lost by a score of 38-13. That was what most michigan fans point to as the turning point of the season...at that point they were 5-3, only losing to MSU in OT, and Iowa at the very end, and to PSU, but were destroying Illinois until that set of 4 plays. After that the team never recovered.

[Titans and Turtles]

2 FGs and the game would have been within 4, and if you take away the stupid horsecollar before the half, and the ensuing FG by Indy, the Titans would of only been down by 1. Just saying the game was a LOT closer then it eneded up and could of been another win by the Titans. The Colts aren't that good, and teams are blowing games by going for it on 4th because they are AFRAID of Manning and we all know that to be the truth.

Ask the Texans about how automatic these field goals are.

Yes, we have Bironas. He is awesome, but he is no gaurantee. Look at week 1. You will never, ever, ever convince me that "playing it safe" and settling for field goals will beat a good Peyton Manning team on a hot streak in their house. We needed sevens.

We can throw all the whatifs we want in there, like what if Nate Washington forgot his good-luck pre-game butter and WD-40 hand soak, or if Tony Brown had remembered to take the Blue pills instead of the red ones, but the decision to go for 7, on the road, vs. a tough team with a prolific offense, is absolutely the right call.

[pookha]

now i didnt look through every game but did review some recent colts game.
i just am curious what other teams lost to them beside the pats (as pointed out very different situation) and titans by going for it on fourth down.

so far looking through games..
it has been mistakes.. fumbles, penalties (the texans keeping three colt drives alive is just wild) not converting on third and long (49's)
and settling for field goals that took teams down.

[TitanPop]

now i didnt look through every game but did review some recent colts game.
i just am curious what other teams lost to them beside the pats (as pointed out very different situation) and titans by going for it on fourth down.

so far looking through games..
it has been mistakes.. fumbles, penalties (the texans keeping three colt drives alive is just wild) not converting on third and long (49's)
and settling for field goals that took teams down.

Y'all are most likely correct, but at the time I thought "take the points" let the defense stop them and do it again. The Titans were moving the ball very well and after they got stopped on the 4th down plays it seemed they lost something. When you drive ALL the way down the field and end up with nothing it takes an emotional toll on the players that stats just don't show.

[Mcnair2Wycheck]

The killer was Tony Brown's idiotic penalty because then we would have been able to kick and make it a one score game.

Though these short kickoffs are driving me crazy! First against the Texans and now the Colts. Are we really that afraid of their returners that we are willing to surrender 3 easy points?

[titan122]

I actually thought the fade route on 4th down was a good call just a bad no call of dpi when the db jumped up and put his hand in britt's facemask and not even playing the ball. I thought that if the defender hits the wr before the ball gets there it is pass interference but apparently not in our case.

If I were in Fisher's shoes I would have also called out the officiating in that game because without being able to watch game tape or even a replay of the game I saw a handful of calls that werent called on either team.

As far as Tony Brown's bad play goes I probably would have been pretty upset seeing as how 2 plays in a row there was hands to the face that wasnt called. Still though got to keep your cool no matter what the situation and he is lucky that he didnt get ejected from the game after acting a fool for not getting the calls.

[HALL45ROX]

You fail to take into account the field position is completely different if you take the first field goal. Instead of the Colts pinned at the one, they have the ball somewhere between the 20 and the 40. Even with a 3 and out, the Titans likely start around their own 20 instead of inside Colts territory.

The Titans did the right thing. I don't see anyone can question it, especially after the results of last week's game. This is a team that usually converts on 4th down.

Don't go bringing facts into this. :lmao

Seriously though, I knew the Titans would lose in the first drive when that ball bounced up in the air off the receiver and the Colts got it, I said football gods are against us this week.

[hooktool]

I actually thought the fade route on 4th down was a good call just a bad no call of dpi when the db jumped up and put his hand in britt's facemask and not even playing the ball. I thought that if the defender hits the wr before the ball gets there it is pass interference but apparently not in our case.


I didn't realize what a handful of face he had until I watched Fisher's show last night.:mad: We should have had the ball on the goal line-though there's no evidence to show we could have gotten it in.:lol

John