Kelly to Notre Dame

[Titansfan777]

http://cfn.scout.com/2/927298.html

Damn. If this ends up being true, Notre Dame might actually be back. He is a proven commodity who has won everywhere he has gone. Not good if your a Michigan fan. My only consoling thought is that he didnt become the new amazing coach in the big east until richrod left.

[MDK Titan]

I like it, though it could be bad for USC fans but I always welcome a challenge.

[Titansfan777]

it could be very bad for Michigan...I'm really gonna miss weis jokes.

west virginia considered scheduling ND because they thought that when charlie walked on the coal-rich terrain, it would produce diamonds.

His old sweatshirts are used as low income housing


I could continue...

[bucket]

it could be very bad for Michigan...I'm really gonna miss weis jokes.

west virginia considered scheduling ND because they thought that when charlie walked on the coal-rich terrain, it would produce diamonds.



Great at 4:00am!:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Parddy]

I wish Kelly would hurry up and sign the dotted line. It sounds like ND is sniffing up the UConn and Edsall tree. That would suck.

[Titansfan777]

Edsal is a pretty good coach too.

[Parddy]

Yeah, but he's ours!!!! :lol 8000 coaches out there and there looking at UConn's coach? WTF? Didn't see that coming.

[TTP77]

I think Edsal might be the better coach really

[Titansfan777]

Yeah, but he's ours!!!! :lol 8000 coaches out there and there looking at UConn's coach? WTF? Didn't see that coming.

heres a deal, if richrod fails at michigan, you can have him!

[TTP77]

Chris Mortensen reporting Kelly got the ND job

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

[Parddy]

Good!!!!

[Johnnyb]

Wow, the players are not very happy at all... They're gonna get killed by Florida.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20091210/SPT0101/312100073/

[titansikou]

Wow, the players are not very happy at all... They're gonna get killed by Florida.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20091210/SPT0101/312100073/

wow. what an asshole. shouldn't there be some guidelines on when coaches can talk to other teams, like after the bowl games?!

[Titansfan777]

Yea. Wow bigeast coaches sure make headlines...richrod amd now him

[ZachLV27]

wow. what an asshole. shouldn't there be some guidelines on when coaches can talk to other teams, like after the bowl games?!

Yes, they should have to wait a month and miss out on the most important recruiting period.

/sarcasm


I'm not only saying that because I'm a ND fan. I saw Coach Hawkins do the same thing to Boise State (while I attended the school) when he left for Colorado and he had signed an extension either earlier that year or the season before. It happens and all the schools do it when they go on a coaching search.

[Old Oilers Fan]

wow. what an asshole. shouldn't there be some guidelines on when coaches can talk to other teams, like after the bowl games?!

It is funny how the NCAA has signing days for College players but the coaches can do what ever before the Bowl games end. By the way why is he an asshole it was his dream job plus he gets big money to do it. There could have been a chance that he would have lost out if he didn't jump on it right a way.

[TTP77]

that article was sad. i do think its far too easy for these coaches and schools to get out of coaching contracts. and i'm wondering if players who committed and are in their 1 or 2 year because of a particular coach should be given the option to go somewhere else.

[titansikou]

It is funny how the NCAA has signing days for College players but the coaches can do what ever before the Bowl games end. By the way why is he an asshole it was his dream job plus he gets big money to do it. There could have been a chance that he would have lost out if he didn't jump on it right a way.

The biggest thing for me was that he didn't bother to tell his players even though he'd said that he would keep them informed. It's great for his career, sure, but with a big bowl game around the corner he could have handled it much better.

[TitansGiantsBears]

I believe coaches should have to wait until the bowl games are over to go to another school. If that means you lose out on some valuable recruiting time, so be it. You made the decision to jump ship. Kelly left the Bearcats in a difficult situation, why should he get a break?

I've long held that Notre Dame is the worst coaching gig in college football. Expectations are much higher than realistic goals for this program in the modern age. What incentive does a blue-chip recruit have to attend Notre Dame? They haven't won a national championship in nearly 20 years. They're rarely even in the picture. They lack the allure of playing in a major conference. It's not known as a great "party school". Academics are tough. The dorms aren't coed. They don't have great weather.

What do they have that would make some kid choose Notre Dame over Florida or Texas? An old black and white picture of four skinny white kids on horseback? Please, Notre Dame is a school where tradition gave way to nostalgia a long time ago.

[Titansfan777]

I believe coaches should have to wait until the bowl games are over to go to another school. If that means you lose out on some valuable recruiting time, so be it. You made the decision to jump ship. Kelly left the Bearcats in a difficult situation, why should he get a break?

I've long held that Notre Dame is the worst coaching gig in college football. Expectations are much higher than realistic goals for this program in the modern age. What incentive does a blue-chip recruit have to attend Notre Dame? They haven't won a national championship in nearly 20 years. They're rarely even in the picture. They lack the allure of playing in a major conference. It's not known as a great "party school". Academics are tough. The dorms aren't coed. They don't have great weather.

What do they have that would make some kid choose Notre Dame over Florida or Texas? An old black and white picture of four skinny white kids on horseback? Please, Notre Dame is a school where tradition gave way to nostalgia a long time ago.

Almost all of this can be said about Bama, and Michigan too...but one good coach (Saban, Carr) can change everything.

[gnarl]

yea i think its pretty dumb that he left.

of course he is going to ND where he can try to restore tradition & get a good amount of money.

But if he would have stayed in Cinci, he could have helped BUILD a tradition over there.

They were ranked #3 and could have easily been in NC game but Texas pulled the rabbit out of their ass on that final drive.

But to each there own & its nothing against him or ND, but when coaches go out to recruit players...in reality, their not only just committing to a school but to the coach as well.

I just think college coaches should keep their end of the bargain sometimes.

[ZachLV27]

yea i think its pretty dumb that he left.

of course he is going to ND where he can try to restore tradition & get a good amount of money.

But if he would have stayed in Cinci, he could have helped BUILD a tradition over there.

They were ranked #3 and could have easily been in NC game but Texas pulled the rabbit out of their ass on that final drive.

But to each there own & its nothing against him or ND, but when coaches go out to recruit players...in reality, their not only just committing to a school but to the coach as well.

I just think college coaches should keep their end of the bargain sometimes.

How exactly is a coach ever supposed to move up to a better program then? Is the coach supposed to start telling his recruits that he might bail in their time at the school? Do you really think any recruit worth a damn will go to that school under those situations? Now that he has let all those kids know he might leave and now that a good portion of them decide to go elsewhere do you think he even has the slightest chance at winning games now? And now with him being honest like that he has now lost any chance at being good and will soon lose his current job because they are under-performing.

The thing about jobs like college coaches have is that they can't just agree to coach for 4 years because each year a new set of recruits come to the school who have their own 4 years to spend in the program. It's a never-ending cycle unless you just stop recruiting for 3 your last 3 years.

Kids (and especially their parents) just need to be a lot smarter when picking their school to attend and realize that if they pick a mid-major program that there is a good chance that his coach will leave while he is there. That is if they are any good.

[TitansGiantsBears]

I don't think much of that can be said about Alabama or Michigan.

Alabama is back as one of the elite schools of the elite college football conference in the country which also has the richest television contract in college football history. While neither school may be considered with West Virginia as a party school, both have plenty of action on campus. Both are coed. Both have won national championships since the last time ND won one and Alabama will play for one again in a few weeks. Alabama also has great weather for most of the year.

Michigan may be a harder sell right now, but I'm sure the Wolverines won't stay down long. That said, if I'm a top recruit I would choose Michigan right now over ND because they play in a major <cough cough> conference.

[ZachLV27]

I don't think much of that can be said about Alabama or Michigan.

Alabama is back as one of the elite schools of the elite college football conference in the country which also has the richest television contract in college football history. While neither school may be considered with West Virginia as a party school, both have plenty of action on campus. Both are coed. Both have won national championships since the last time ND won one and Alabama will play for one again in a few weeks. Alabama also has great weather for most of the year.

Michigan may be a harder sell right now, but I'm sure the Wolverines won't stay down long. That said, if I'm a top recruit I would choose Michigan right now over ND because they play in a major <cough cough> conference.

Up until a few years ago Alabama wasn't seen as anything but distant memories to most of the country. They went quite a while without being on the radar for most outside of that region. Most outside of that region only knew about their history and didn't care otherwise.

As for your contention that players will choose schools in major conferences over ND, well it's mostly wrong. Year in and year out Notre Dame constantly has one of the top 20 recruiting classes in the nation and continues to get a lot of the better recruits from what would be considered prime Big 10 recruiting areas. Notre Dame has just done something they shouldn't have been doing while playing in cold weather. Under Weis they focused their recruiting on the offensive side of the ball and playing in the cold like they do they need to be more defensive minded.

A good coach can come in and change things completely for a school or organization. Nick Saban is proof of that at Alabama.

[TitansGiantsBears]

Up until a few years ago Alabama wasn't seen as anything but distant memories to most of the country. They went quite a while without being on the radar for most outside of that region. Most outside of that region only knew about their history and didn't care otherwise.

As for your contention that players will choose schools in major conferences over ND, well it's mostly wrong. Year in and year out Notre Dame constantly has one of the top 20 recruiting classes in the nation and continues to get a lot of the better recruits from what would be considered prime Big 10 recruiting areas. Notre Dame has just done something they shouldn't have been doing while playing in cold weather. Under Weis they focused their recruiting on the offensive side of the ball and playing in the cold like they do they need to be more defensive minded.

A good coach can come in and change things completely for a school or organization. Nick Saban is proof of that at Alabama.

ND still has enough clout to land some top recruits (Clausen, Tate,etc) but not in sufficient numbers to compete with the major conference schools. They are fortunate at the moment they are in Big 10 country. The Big 10 has been down for a few years which will help level the playing field recruiting up there. Also none of the Big 10 schools have the weather advantage on ND, so it does help.

That said, the last few years ND has enjoyed recruiting with one of the most recognizable names in football at the helm. Do you think ND would have landed Clausen for instance if not for Weis? They may attract some of the top talent in Big 10 country, but they're not going to get the top-ranked high school QB prospect in the nation out of California without a legitimate name at the helm.

Kelly may do as well as Weis. I think he may be a better fit than Weis's offensive minded play, but I think in 5 years (or sooner) we'll have this discussion all over again like we did with Weis a few years ago and Willingham before that. They'd do just as well to bring back George O'Leary. I'll say it again. Notre Dame's fans and staff needs to realize the college football landscape has plowed them under the last few decades and adjust their expectations accordingly. Join a mid-major conference and compete every few years for a conference championship and a minor bowl. That's about as good as it's going to get for them going forward.

[ZachLV27]

ND still has enough clout to land some top recruits (Clausen, Tate,etc) but not in sufficient numbers to compete with the major conference schools. They are fortunate at the moment they are in Big 10 country. The Big 10 has been down for a few years which will help level the playing field recruiting up there. Also none of the Big 10 schools have the weather advantage on ND, so it does help.

That said, the last few years ND has enjoyed recruiting with one of the most recognizable names in football at the helm. Do you think ND would have landed Clausen for instance if not for Weis? They may attract some of the top talent in Big 10 country, but they're not going to get the top-ranked high school QB prospect in the nation out of California without a legitimate name at the helm.

Kelly may do as well as Weis. I think he may be a better fit than Weis's offensive minded play, but I think in 5 years (or sooner) we'll have this discussion all over again like we did with Weis a few years ago and Willingham before that. They'd do just as well to bring back George O'Leary. I'll say it again. Notre Dame's fans and staff needs to realize the college football landscape has plowed them under the last few decades and adjust their expectations accordingly. Join a mid-major conference and compete every few years for a conference championship and a minor bowl. That's about as good as it's going to get for them going forward.

I'll have to agree to disagree. I see things completely different when it comes to ND and part of that has to do with me being a fan of theirs and part of it has to do with how much hatred the school seems to generate just because they are ND.

The media brings some of that hatred down on ND with how much they tend to hype them when they aren't that great and some of that hatred is brought on them because they still have their weekly televised games on NBC. Some of the hatred comes from the fact that they can get into good bowl games while having mediocre seasons.

These reasons that lead to the fan hatred of them are the same reason they are able to get the recruits they get. A lot of good recruits have grown up as fans of ND thanks to NBC. A lot of good recruits want to go there because of all the attention that is brought upon the school.

[TitansGiantsBears]

Of course we can agree to disagree even if I am right. :lolhit

What I say is simply an observation. I have no real hatred for Notre Dame. They're one of college football's historically great programs, whatever their current state. I do get ticked off when they can land a great bowl game over more deserving teams, but that's no fault of the players. It depends on the game and situation, but sometimes I root for them and sometimes against them.

I understand your passion as a fan and respect it. Any program can recruit successfully. Notre Dame just has a lot going against it in the landscape of modern football and I think the Irish Nation fails to understand that. So many assume recruits will line up to go there because they're ND. That may have been true all the way through the late 80's, but is no longer the case. ND now has to work at recruiting just like any other school. When 20 of the top 25 recruits in the country are lined up to attend your school it's easy to achieve success. It's a different playing field when you have to actively recruit against the best programs in the country for each one of those players and MAY land one of them.

So often what I hear from fans of ND is about the past. Everyone wants to talk about Rockne, Parseghian, or Holtz, etc. I rarely hear a ND fan comment about the future of the program unless there's been a newsworthy event such as a coaching change, etc. I think it's important to appreciate your school's tradition and history, but so many ND fans live there. They assume because they love ND and the tradition, etc, recruits are just dying to go there and there are few recruits these days dying to play anywhere. They're out for the best package available to them and what will get fast-track them to the NFL.

[ZachLV27]

Of course we can agree to disagree even if I am right. :lolhit

What I say is simply an observation. I have no real hatred for Notre Dame. They're one of college football's historically great programs, whatever their current state. I do get ticked off when they can land a great bowl game over more deserving teams, but that's no fault of the players. It depends on the game and situation, but sometimes I root for them and sometimes against them.

I understand your passion as a fan and respect it. Any program can recruit successfully. Notre Dame just has a lot going against it in the landscape of modern football and I think the Irish Nation fails to understand that. So many assume recruits will line up to go there because they're ND. That may have been true all the way through the late 80's, but is no longer the case. ND now has to work at recruiting just like any other school. When 20 of the top 25 recruits in the country are lined up to attend your school it's easy to achieve success. It's a different playing field when you have to actively recruit against the best programs in the country for each one of those players and MAY land one of them.

So often what I hear from fans of ND is about the past. Everyone wants to talk about Rockne, Parseghian, or Holtz, etc. I rarely hear a ND fan comment about the future of the program unless there's been a newsworthy event such as a coaching change, etc. I think it's important to appreciate your school's tradition and history, but so many ND fans live there. They assume because they love ND and the tradition, etc, recruits are just dying to go there and there are few recruits these days dying to play anywhere. They're out for the best package available to them and what will get fast-track them to the NFL.

I agree with everything you said here and when I was talking about the hatred people have for ND I wasn't speaking of you.

I love ND and love the tradition they have. I know that tradition isn't going to just make everyone line up at their doors now though. Even the smallest programs get tons of air time now so they have to work just as hard as them. I just see first hand what Boise State is able to do each year and even though they don't have the toughest competition they are still able to bring in some really good recruits. Those recruits aren't as good as what major programs get but they also don't have the resources of a school like ND.

[HALL45ROX]

I think this says it all....
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/091215&sportCat=nfl

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1214/pg2_ap_bkelly1_300.jpg
"I broke all my promises before. But I promise I won't break my promises this time."


Weasel Coach Watch: Brian Kelly joins the cavalcade of weasel coaches, walking out on Cincinnati the month before the school's biggest bowl game. TMQ's immutable Law of Weasels holds: When you hire a coach who's only in it for himself, you get a coach who's only in it for himself. Kelly walked out on his commitments just before the monster bowl game his players worked so hard to reach and that meant so much to the school. Notre Dame, that's the kind of person you want running your program? Kelly bolted from Central Michigan after three years because money was waved, now bolts from Cincinnati after three years because money was waved. Does anyone seriously think he won't shaft Notre Dame if money is waved again? Kelly misled his Cincinnati players, then abandoned them the instant it benefited him. He's a promise-breaker. Notre Dame, that's the kind of person you want running your program?



TMQ dislikes that coaches get away with self-serving behavior which would never be tolerated from players. When NCAA football players transfer to a new college, they must sit out a year. There should be an equivalent rule that when an NCAA coach leaves before the expiration of his contract -- Kelly's contract ran two more seasons, though had a buyout clause -- he must sit out a year before starting the next job. This would treat players and coaches equally, while reducing the temptation for weasels like Kelly to become promise-breakers.