I love Coach Fish, but.... [Archive] - TitansTailgate.com Message Board

mrpeterson931

12-20-2009, 04:21 PM

MDK Titan

12-20-2009, 04:28 PM

he must have thought the timeouts could be saved for OT.

RallyRedBmore

12-20-2009, 04:31 PM

yea, same thing here... i was screaming at the TV!

Titans_Win_Again

12-20-2009, 04:33 PM

He was probably afraid the Dolphins would get another freak play to put them in field goal position. Atleast that's what I was afraid of.

dakid

12-20-2009, 04:33 PM

Can't wait to hear how Fisher explains not calling timeouts with them pinned deep.

TNTitan

12-20-2009, 04:35 PM

quite a few coaching errors in this one... like 1:33 to go in the 4th qtr with 3 timouts and you DONT give the ball to CJ?

kfmac70

12-20-2009, 05:38 PM

Fish defended himself in the postgame but it still doesn't make sense.

Here's another thing...what if the clock runs down to :00 on the punt? If we fair catch it, then we have a free kick from the spot of the ball, off a tee with no rush, to win the game and likely it would have been from inside the 50.

I don't understand not using the timeouts either.

Rolltide14TOMB

12-20-2009, 05:47 PM

me either...but go bears and lets prepare for san diego....we won thats all that matters at this point

Livid13

12-20-2009, 06:20 PM

You guys need to cut Fish a break. He's arguably one of the best HEAD coaches in the NFL. You KNOW how conservative the guy is, you KNOW IT ! He's probably of the mind to protect Vince from a pressure filled drive of 25 yards, after a Dolphins punt that never happened. You won the game, be happy....

MDK Titan

12-20-2009, 06:29 PM

TNTitan

12-20-2009, 06:33 PM

why can't we be happy and angry at the same time? we blew a freaking 18 point lead!! we're lucky we didn't lose this one.

agreed - just because we love our Titans doesnt mean we blindly accept everything without question. I think by debating some of the decisions made by the team and the FO, we show that we are TRUE fans! Not just mindless drones in Titan gear..

Rolltide14TOMB

12-20-2009, 06:39 PM

and if we stack the run and ricky busts a 40 yarder and they call a timeout and wind up in FG range? not saying i agree with the decision BUT the coach did what he thought would win and he was right

Big Time

12-20-2009, 06:59 PM

I can't stand when they play less aggressively once they are ahead. The 4th quarter about gave me a heart attack. They absolutely can't do that against SD in just 5 days.

I hope everyone on the team that got banged up is healed up by then.

also, do we have three home games in a row, or am I missing something?

Jones31

12-20-2009, 07:01 PM

Yep, we had Rams, Phins and Bolts.

TTP77

12-20-2009, 07:09 PM

this is the first game this year where i have really questioned Fisher. He did several things I didn't like but hey we won....

Livid13

12-20-2009, 07:30 PM

Fisher is calling games for ONE reason. He is PROTECTING his QB. If you think for a second that Vince's pysche isn't as fragile as a Bud's hair, think again. YES, you're on a roll, but you are winning with CJ, defense and Vince being "managed".

TTP77

12-20-2009, 07:40 PM

Vince "managed" to throw 3 TD passes today. He didn't have his best game but he played well I thought. I didn't care for Fisher's decision to play for OT and I didn't like some of what we called on both offense and defense (not sure whether you blame all that on Fisher though).

TTP77

12-21-2009, 07:07 AM

Fisher is getting boat loads of criticism for keeping all those TO's at the end of the 4th.

Sect309Fan

12-21-2009, 07:44 AM

I am more upset at him for not going for it on 4th down in Miami territory up by 15 points. We have the best running back in the NFL, and we don't try a 4th and one? Convert that, and the game is almost over.
All we need is a field goal.

This has been one of Fisher's worst years as a coach. He has made so many bad and questionable decisions both with playcalling and personel. On the other hand, this team went from 0-6 to 7-7. That takes some good coaching to do as well.

I still want Fisher as the Titans head coach. I just hope he learned a lot from this year that will help him win a Super Bowl soon.

TTP77

12-21-2009, 07:57 AM

Yea, I'd agree on that call too. There were others. How much of what the Coord's do can we blame on Fisher? I just don't know

TTP77

12-21-2009, 08:01 AM

Interesting comment from Alge...doesn't appear in local papers

"I was just glad we won," Tennessee tight end Alge Crumpler said. "I was a little peeved at the way it had to go down. But, hey look, we're still breathing baby."

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/dolphins_taste_DiGRfJmHj3vP3oL8qyg0fJ

Sect309Fan

12-21-2009, 08:06 AM

Interesting comment from Alge...doesn't appear in local papers

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/dolphins_taste_DiGRfJmHj3vP3oL8qyg0fJ

It was also in the ESPN recap: http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291220010

Parddy

12-21-2009, 08:21 AM

I have no problem with Fisher letting the game go to overtime at that point, I would have done the exact same thing. Nothing had gone our way in the 4th quarter and momentum was clearly with the Dolphins. I was glad to get the game over and re-group. Bulluck was out and the defense was reeling. Did you really want to see the the Dolphins firing down the field with 1:30 to get in field goal position? I didn't.

Where I did question Fisher was: Late 3rd quarter, 24-9 and the Titans driving. 4th and 2 on their 42 yard line. We should have gone for the kill right there and then, instead we opted to punt and ended up punting into the end zone and only getting a 23 yard net difference. Momemtum swung to the Dolphins at that pointy we never really got it back. Fish should have gone for it...IMO

TTP77

12-21-2009, 08:29 AM

We had no guarantee on who would win the coin toss and BOTH our offense and defense were looking bad at that point. We got lucky in OT period and it should never have gotten there to begin with.

Maximus

12-21-2009, 12:47 PM

I've said it before, I'll say it again. He played not to lose, instead of playing to win, & it nearly cost them.

Titanico

12-21-2009, 02:35 PM

I don't get not calling a timeout with the Dolphins pinned at the 2.... Can someone explain the reasoning here?....If you hold them and they punt it, you can get in field gold range quickly and win the game!

His game management is not good for 4 qtrs. I can't and I will never understand how and why Fisher has an opponent down and he can't show the ability to pin that opponent adding 7, 10 or 14 pts. more on them to win a game in the regulation...not on OT.

You have a chance to get to playoffs, give your players constant and good options to win games convincingly, that will help tons in their confidence not only on them but on the HC.

Fisher has tons of problems winning against top-notched teams. You see a team like Miami still fighting with all...do not let their chances be alive!!!

This is football...real football. Not a drama movie.

TNTitan

12-21-2009, 02:53 PM

we BARELY won this game.. and we can probably thank the officials for our win, not our coaches.

I think its fair to say that the late hit personal foul call on Camarillo against Griffin was a terrible call. Griff had not been touched by a Dolphin after the INT and Camarillo just put two hands on him and pushed him over. Thats not a personal foul. Thats football. And those 15 yards put us in FG range because CJ got stuffed 3 times in a row. Without that personal foul call, we likely punt and who knows what Miami does.. perhaps they win it. You say we wouldnt have run three times if we werent in FG range? Ok.. the series before that we passed 3 times and Miami stopped that. If I were a Dolphin fan, I would be livid.. because that bad call killed their Playoff hopes and kept ours alive.

Point is.. Miami had the momentum and was heading toward victory till that personal foul call and Rob Bironus saved us. Our coaching staff should've never let off the gas at the break and let the fish back in the game. Im glad we won, but I'm not a fan of the way it went down.

titansikou

12-21-2009, 03:32 PM

I agree to an extent with the dissatisfaction over the playcalling. I think that some of the spluttering we saw on offense had to do with wanting to protect Vince and Vince being up and down over his injury (he said as much). What upset me most of the game is Harper being back in the lineup (yeah, I know, he has been for a few weeks now). He is clearly the weak link, there is a reason they threw to him constantly yesterday. He made the int. but he also let too much by him.

Still, I like coach Fisher, but I think we need to look somewhere else. Why did it take a 59 -0 drubbing and 6 straight losses for Fisher to put things right? It really shouldn't take that long for an experienced coach to work out.

Jones31

12-21-2009, 03:35 PM

I've wondered yesterday after the game if Fisher is handcuffing Cecil, like he did Chow his first year as coordinator.

HALL45ROX

12-21-2009, 03:38 PM

The thing that upset me in this game was punting in the "maroon zone" for a net punt of 20 once the touchback happened.

Jones31

12-21-2009, 03:41 PM

Yeah that was when they didn't go for it on 4th and 1 that gave the Phins all the boost they needed.

JimOkc

12-21-2009, 09:03 PM

Interesting comment from Alge...doesn't appear in local papers

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/dolphins_taste_DiGRfJmHj3vP3oL8qyg0fJ

I guess it would be as interesting as you wish to believe.

For all we know he could have been upset that our team blew a big lead in the fourth and his comment has nothing to do with coaching.

:doh

pookha

12-22-2009, 12:31 AM

I've wondered yesterday after the game if Fisher is handcuffing Cecil, like he did Chow his first year as coordinator.

actually some people think fisher took over running some of the defense after the bye.

who knows maybe with that big of a lead he let cecil do it again.

:p

TTP77

12-22-2009, 08:29 AM

I suspected either Fisher or McGinnis got involved in the defense playcalling during the bye week but I doubt we'll ever know.

section105

12-22-2009, 11:26 AM

I would like to find a pic of the scoreboard at the point our punter pinned the phins at the two. I distinctly remember looking up and seeing the scoreboard show 3 TO's remaining for BOTH teams. Fisher is taking heat for not knowing how many TO's the phins had, but I am almost 100% the board showed they had 3. He said his decision to play for OT was based on it so I can see where he might have been misinformed.

Shame on him for relying on the scoreboard (if that is the case), but hadn't seen anyone mention this little tidbit.

Yvette

12-22-2009, 11:46 AM

I think him not knowing was a bunch of BS :lol

section105

12-22-2009, 02:45 PM

I think him not knowing was a bunch of BS :lol

True! Just wondered if anyone else noticed the scoreboard was wrong...

don28

12-22-2009, 07:50 PM

I'm pretty sure that the scoreboard had it correct, according to my memory. I distinctly remember questioning Jones31 about why the Titans didn't try to force the Dolphins' hand.

As far as the defensive playcalling, I believe that Fisher was controlling the defense the first 6 weeks, then Cecil got to put his personal touch on it after the bye. Cecil's clipboard throw in OT leads me to believe that there is some acrimony between the coaches on game strategy.