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Rolltide14TOMB
12-26-2009, 09:19 AM
i assume somewhere in the teens? i guess with all these 7-7 teams that 235 yards rushing by CJ and a seattle 27-24 win wouldnt be the end of the world as that could move us up some spots i guess...Taylor Mays, Suh, Berry, ANYbody on defense that maybe drops to us...I would assume that we would pick defense right?

Jones31
12-26-2009, 10:18 AM
13th right now.

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

Southside Tirant
12-26-2009, 02:13 PM
11th looks to be best case scenario, But 13th looks good from where im sitting! The Titans played pretty good in the second half of the year, They got going to late after the bye and put a pretty good run in. I'm just thankfull that VY got another chance to prove himself to the team, I for one feel better going into this years draft knowing "QB" isn't being discussed as much as when the season started! Im thinking the Titans can really use being in the Top-10/Top-15 in this years draft! I still get sick when i think about our 2nd rd pick! But aside from that im very excited thinking about next April.

TitansGiantsBears
12-26-2009, 05:35 PM
i assume somewhere in the teens? i guess with all these 7-7 teams that 235 yards rushing by CJ and a seattle 27-24 win wouldnt be the end of the world as that could move us up some spots i guess...Taylor Mays, Suh, Berry, ANYbody on defense that maybe drops to us...I would assume that we would pick defense right?

Mays, Suh, and Berry will be loooong gone by the time we draft.

utkjoe
12-26-2009, 07:09 PM
Mays, Suh, and Berry will be loooong gone by the time we draft.

Well at least Suh and Berry will be long gone. Mays is slipping down a lot of draft boards.

Though there is a lot of time left before the draft and people will move all around before the big day.

amy
12-26-2009, 10:20 PM
too bad we can't draft a coach.

Sect309Fan
12-27-2009, 09:42 PM
too bad we can't draft a coach.

:rolleyes:

Rolltide14TOMB
12-27-2009, 10:21 PM
i am hardpressed to believe we are gonna get a big defensive playmaker in round 1.....so why not draft CJ2....or CJ28....whew confusing....but yeah CJ Spiller

You talk about a dynamic backfield... 2 CJ's and a VY :ohmy:ohmy:jawdrop..... but what number does he wear?

Sect309Fan
12-28-2009, 05:59 AM
i am hardpressed to believe we are gonna get a big defensive playmaker in round 1.....so why not draft CJ2....or CJ28....whew confusing....but yeah CJ Spiller

You talk about a dynamic backfield... 2 CJ's and a VY :ohmy:ohmy:jawdrop..... but what number does he wear?

If you can't stop anyone, it doesn't matter how good your offense is. You can guarantee a defensive player will be drafted first, especially since we don't have a 2nd round pick.

Cld12pk2go
12-28-2009, 04:25 PM
I could see us trading our mid 1st for a late first and late second...

And then taking the best available DE/LB/DT with the first 2 picks...

titan122
12-28-2009, 05:25 PM
I am sold on VY being our qb of the future and not just because of Mr. Adams. I do believe that we do need to draft d line, lb's and a safety or maybe 2.

I am tired of seeing Griffin attempting to make tackles and not wraping up just putting his shoulder and hoping they go down. If you hit a rookie qb trying to get into the endzone and is hit outside the goal line there is no way he should get a td.

It has been a lot more than just that one play early in the season. It seems that every time he is not chasing from behind to tackle he does not wrap up. If you are gonna attempt a tackle, tackle the way your supposed to.

I think Mcgrath will be a force in the future and will probably be able to take over for KB since most of us including himself doesnt think he will be a titan next year.

Harper has got to go weather we have a second year db such as mcourty or mouton step in and play it doesnt matter.

I think our offence is good to go maybe have a little competition for our wr's.

We need someone that can consistantly push the pocket back. All year our de's done a good jobe of getting back and pushing the qb forward but with out that push in the middle that just gives the qb somewhere to step up to make the throws and burn our secondary time after time after time.

Titansfan777
12-28-2009, 07:58 PM
I wouldnt mind picking Mays to be Bulluck's/Thornton's replacement. He could be Bulluck 2.0

Mason Maniac
12-30-2009, 02:05 AM
Are there any gigantic hard hitting DBs out there? Just so the next time we play the Chargers it doesn't look so comical. "Aw Hon, look at the tiny man trying to stop that behemoth... isn't that simply adorable" --- No, no it's not.

Livid13
12-30-2009, 05:57 AM
too bad we can't draft a coach.

You're joking , right ?

Old Oilers Fan
12-30-2009, 07:34 AM
You're joking , right ?

No she is not. She been on the anti-Fisher for a while now. :lol

MrBean
12-30-2009, 01:14 PM
No she is not. She been on the anti-Fisher for a while now. :lol

Every post from her comes back to firing fisher. It could be a thread about how the guys tie their laces and somehow she will swing it back to bad coaching on that and he needs to be fired.

It's her agenda.

Sect309Fan
12-30-2009, 01:54 PM
Every post from her comes back to firing fisher. It could be a thread about how the guys tie their laces and somehow she will swing it back to bad coaching on that and he needs to be fired.

It's her agenda.

I don't give her too much grief. I have been dealing with a bunch of similar opinionated fans on TitansCentral all day today. ;)

Jones31
01-03-2010, 08:18 PM
The only updated board I have found is showing us in the 15 slot.
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/09/2010-nfl-draft-order.html

ryangm2123
01-03-2010, 08:20 PM
cb?

Toronto
01-03-2010, 10:47 PM
cb?

DE/DT or Safety. Not sure there is a top 15 CB in the draft.

Sect309Fan
01-03-2010, 10:48 PM
With the Jets winning, there will be a coin flip between the Panthers and the Titans for number 16/17.

1) St. Louis, 1-15 (133-123)
2) Detroit, 2-14 (134-122)
3) Tampa Bay, 3-13 (142-114)
4) Washington, 4-12 (126-130)
5) Kansas City, 4-12 (132-124)
6) Seattle, 5-11 (122-134)
7) Cleveland, 5-11 (131-125)
8) Oakland, 5-11 (135-121)
9) Buffalo, 6-10 (132-124)
10) (tie) Chicago, 7-9 (127-129)
10) (tie) Jacksonville, 7-9 (127-129)
12) Miami, 7-9 (143-113)
13) San Francisco, 8-8 (122-134)
14) Denver, 8-8 (135-121)
15) N.Y. Giants, 8-8 (137-119)
16) (tie) Carolina, 8-8 (138-118)
16) (tie) Tennessee, 8-8 (138-118)
18) Pittsburgh, 9-7 (125-131)
19) (tie) Atlanta, 9-7 (129-127)
19) (tie) Houston, 9-7 (129-127)
*21) N.Y. Jets, 9-7 (132-124)
*22) Baltimore, 9-7 (134-122)
*23) Arizona, 10-6 (114-142)
*24) Cincinnati, 10-6 (126-130)
*25) New England, 10-6 (132-124)
*26) Green Bay, 11-5 (113-143)
*27) Philadelphia, 11-5 (124-132)
*28) Dallas, 11-5 (125-131)
*29) Minnesota, 12-4 (113-143)
*30) New Orleans, 13-3 (109-147)
*31) San Diego, 13-3 (116-140)
*32) Indianapolis, 14-2 (121-135)

Note: I found this on the TV Maps site. But since draft order is determined by strength of schedule, it appears to be correct.

Jones31
01-03-2010, 10:49 PM
The way our luck has gone... we'll lose that too.

Sect309Fan
01-03-2010, 10:53 PM
It is interesting to look at the final strength of schedule for the year:

1. Miami 143-113
2. Tampa Bay 142-114
3. Titans/Carolina 138-118


The Titans had a killer schedule this season, especially those first 6 games. I guess we should be thankful the Colts didn't care about those last two games, which "weakened" our schedule enough to tie with Carolina.

felloffthewagon
01-03-2010, 11:16 PM
so let me get this straight.

We pick 16 or 17 instead of 11 and we play Pittsburgh and Miami instead of Cleveland and Buffalo for barely winning a completely meaningless game against a pathetic 5 - 11 NFC west team?

That sound about right?

TitansFan23
01-03-2010, 11:27 PM
Imagine if Suh falls to the Skins.

Haynesworth and Suh at DT would be unreal!

Toronto
01-03-2010, 11:36 PM
so let me get this straight.

We pick 16 or 17 instead of 11 and we play Pittsburgh and Miami instead of Cleveland and Buffalo for barely winning a completely meaningless game against a pathetic 5 - 11 NFC west team?

That sound about right?

Yup. But getting to 8-8 was more important.

At least I don't have to hear what a sweet week of practice they've had for a while.

Toronto
01-03-2010, 11:36 PM
Imagine if Suh falls to the Skins.

Haynesworth and Suh at DT would be unreal!

No way Suh doesn't go #1.

TitansFan23
01-03-2010, 11:37 PM
No way Suh doesn't go #1.

Rams could take Clausen.

Skins could trade up too.

Anyway, if the Skins could get him, and Al could stay healthy, that would be one hell of a DT tandem.

Maximus
01-03-2010, 11:41 PM
Imagine if Suh falls to the Skins.

Haynesworth and Suh at DT would be unreal!

I have a better imagination, imagine if Suh falls to pick 4, & that pick has been given to the Titans as compensation for the Haynesworth tampering case!

Boo-yah!! :toast

Sect309Fan
01-04-2010, 06:40 AM
so let me get this straight.

We pick 16 or 17 instead of 11 and we play Pittsburgh and Miami instead of Cleveland and Buffalo for barely winning a completely meaningless game against a pathetic 5 - 11 NFC west team?

That sound about right?

We would have picked #12, not #11.

Cleveland has won more times in Tennessee than Pittsburgh. I would rather play the Steelers anyway for the national attention. And in the winter, Miami sure looks a lot nicer than Buffalo. ;)

8-8 was history. Give me history over a losing season and a few spots in the draft. Plus, it kept VY's streak alive of never playing for a losing team.

Toronto
01-04-2010, 07:46 AM
We would have picked #12, not #11.

Cleveland has won more times in Tennessee than Pittsburgh. I would rather play the Steelers anyway for the national attention. And in the winter, Miami sure looks a lot nicer than Buffalo. ;)

8-8 was history. Give me history over a losing season and a few spots in the draft. Plus, it kept VY's streak alive of never playing for a losing team.

Sorry, but any team that misses the playoffs is a loser. 8-8 doesn't rid you of the stench, no matter how hard you try.

I refuse to buy into the 'positive' of yesterday's win. I was happy as a fan can be for CJ, but I sure as hell didn't want the W. Picking 11th or 12th in a strong draft year vs. 18 or so is a big difference. You'll notice this on draft day when players we legitimately need to rebuild the D are taken ahead of us.

felloffthewagon
01-04-2010, 07:54 AM
Sorry, but any team that misses the playoffs is a loser. 8-8 doesn't rid you of the stench, no matter how hard you try.

I refuse to buy into the 'positive' of yesterday's win. I was happy as a fan can be for CJ, but I sure as hell didn't want the W. Picking 11th or 12th in a strong draft year vs. 18 or so is a big difference. You'll notice this on draft day when players we legitimately need to rebuild the D are taken ahead of us.

Agree completely.

Old Oilers Fan
01-04-2010, 08:11 AM
Sorry, but any team that misses the playoffs is a loser. 8-8 doesn't rid you of the stench, no matter how hard you try.

I refuse to buy into the 'positive' of yesterday's win. I was happy as a fan can be for CJ, but I sure as hell didn't want the W. Picking 11th or 12th in a strong draft year vs. 18 or so is a big difference. You'll notice this on draft day when players we legitimately need to rebuild the D are taken ahead of us.

So you think the team should have quit the season for a higher draft picks even after saying this after the Patriots loss.

"I stand by what I said the last 3 weeks - all 3 weeks the team has quit on the field - and this past Sunday was the masterpiece.

I can deal with a loser, and will always root for a team with pluck/heart - we've had many teams that fell into this category, ones with much less talent and a hell of lot more injuries.

What I saw on Sunday was disgraceful, and I laughed over the Tom Jackson comment that Bulluck was 'trying' because he had so many tackles. Big deal when their average gain per play was insane.

I didn't see one single player on that team look like it had any interest in giving a **** about winning. They looked like a deer in the headlights, and wanting desperately to be ANYWHERE but Gillette Stadium.

The last time I saw a game like this was last year - at Ford Field. And that Lion team had maybe 1/20th of the talent this team has."

:lol

Sect309Fan
01-04-2010, 11:00 AM
Sorry, but any team that misses the playoffs is a loser. 8-8 doesn't rid you of the stench, no matter how hard you try.

I refuse to buy into the 'positive' of yesterday's win. I was happy as a fan can be for CJ, but I sure as hell didn't want the W. Picking 11th or 12th in a strong draft year vs. 18 or so is a big difference. You'll notice this on draft day when players we legitimately need to rebuild the D are taken ahead of us.


I disagree completely.

Parddy
01-04-2010, 11:50 AM
Sorry, but any team that misses the playoffs is a loser. 8-8 doesn't rid you of the stench, no matter how hard you try.

I refuse to buy into the 'positive' of yesterday's win. I was happy as a fan can be for CJ, but I sure as hell didn't want the W. Picking 11th or 12th in a strong draft year vs. 18 or so is a big difference. You'll notice this on draft day when players we legitimately need to rebuild the D are taken ahead of us.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. Toronto, I know how big a fan of this team you are and would never question your loyalty. I understand the 'Draft pick' mentality, I really do. If we had lost the game the #11 pick would be a great consolation prize.

Speaking for myself, rooting for the Titans to lose is just unthinkable, can't do it, it's just not in me. Honestly, the game meant nothing yet I almost jumped through the ceiling when McRath intercepted Hasselbeck at the end. I'll take a win over 6 spots in the draft any day of the week.

Johnnyb
01-04-2010, 12:11 PM
Rams could take Clausen.

Skins could trade up too.

Anyway, if the Skins could get him, and Al could stay healthy, that would be one hell of a DT tandem.

If the Skins were to trade up it would be to take Clausen for themselves. They have a big D-tackle, they need a quarterback.

Sect309Fan
01-04-2010, 12:36 PM
Since there are 5 teams that finished at 8-8, our draft order will be the following:

Round 1: 16/17
Round 2: 15/16
Round 3: 14/15
Round 4: 13/14
Round 5: 17/13
Round 6: 16/17
Round 7: 15/16

If we win the coin toss, it will be the first number, and the 2nd number if we lose. So the Pats will get the #15 or #16 pick in round 2 from us.

Parddy
01-04-2010, 12:46 PM
So the Pats will get the #15 or #16 pick in round 2 from us.

Can't we just give them Cook back? :D

MDK Titan
01-04-2010, 12:49 PM
No way Suh doesn't go #1.

Rams could take Clausen, whose also a once in a generation talent. No way he gets past Jim Schwartz Lions though, especially after having major success with Haynesworth. Bucs were stupid to start winning games and falling behind the Suh race.

Toronto
01-04-2010, 12:54 PM
Different strokes for different folks I guess. Toronto, I know how big a fan of this team you are and would never question your loyalty. I understand the 'Draft pick' mentality, I really do. If we had lost the game the #11 pick would be a great consolation prize.

Speaking for myself, rooting for the Titans to lose is just unthinkable, can't do it, it's just not in me. Honestly, the game meant nothing yet I almost jumped through the ceiling when McRath intercepted Hasselbeck at the end. I'll take a win over 6 spots in the draft any day of the week.

I felt really weird when putting this game's highlight pack together. Weird that it meant nothing to either team. Weird that it was so sloppy - and weird that I barely cared when Seattle took the lead. I couldn't summon my usual angst when the team fell behind, because I knew deep down it could be a good thing. The only time I kept losing it was on any CJ rush. I wanted every run to go for 20 yards and give him a shot at Dickerson.

Under normal circumstances, I'm right there with you - but knowing the holes this team has, we need a new stud on D, and a high pick delivers that this year with this group of players at DT and S.

Titansfan777
01-04-2010, 01:00 PM
Joe Hayden CB or the DUI Florida DE...or mays

Toronto
01-04-2010, 01:06 PM
So you think the team should have quit the season for a higher draft picks even after saying this after the Patriots loss.

"I stand by what I said the last 3 weeks - all 3 weeks the team has quit on the field - and this past Sunday was the masterpiece.

I can deal with a loser, and will always root for a team with pluck/heart - we've had many teams that fell into this category, ones with much less talent and a hell of lot more injuries.

What I saw on Sunday was disgraceful, and I laughed over the Tom Jackson comment that Bulluck was 'trying' because he had so many tackles. Big deal when their average gain per play was insane.

I didn't see one single player on that team look like it had any interest in giving a **** about winning. They looked like a deer in the headlights, and wanting desperately to be ANYWHERE but Gillette Stadium.

The last time I saw a game like this was last year - at Ford Field. And that Lion team had maybe 1/20th of the talent this team has."

:lol

Big difference? As long as I don't see players lay down like they did in NE and in JAX, I want to slit things. Fine with their effort, just didn't need the W I guess. Yesterday I barely cared, but yes, I'm glad they cared, especially about getting Johnson his 2K.

BTW, its my attitude that screams "fan" that also shows why I'd make a ****ty 'team' player on a sports franchise. I think too emotionally, and definately way too armchair. Only an ex-player or current player knows what "quit" is. I just know back then, what I saw made me want to openly vomit. I'd never, in 30+ years of watching this franchise, seen that dead an effort in games, and let me emphasize this - THAT STILL MATTERED.

felloffthewagon
01-04-2010, 03:04 PM
Since there are 5 teams that finished at 8-8, our draft order will be the following:

Round 1: 16/17
Round 2: 15/16
Round 3: 14/15
Round 4: 13/14
Round 5: 17/13
Round 6: 16/17
Round 7: 15/16

If we win the coin toss, it will be the first number, and the 2nd number if we lose. So the Pats will get the #15 or #16 pick in round 2 from us.


Jared Cook for a top 50 player. hmmm.

talent evaluation = FAIL.

Hell its probably for the best anyway, at least NE stands a chance of drafting a good player at that spot.

Parddy
01-04-2010, 03:25 PM
talent evaluation = FAIL.



I don't think talent is the problem with Cook. Heimerdinger stated that he has had trouble with the pass patters??

Reading between the lines it appears his ability to grasp the NFL offense is the real issue here.

Toronto
01-04-2010, 04:32 PM
The Cook trade-up still amazes me even today. We filled the 'playmaker' need with Britt/Washington and had Scaife franchised.

Man he must have blown their socks off at the combine.

NYTitan21
01-04-2010, 05:38 PM
depending on a coin toss with SF(Carolinas pick)

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2010/01/04/49ers-to-pick-13th-and-tba-in-first-round/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+49ersHotRead+(49ers+Hot+Read)

Sect309Fan
01-04-2010, 05:41 PM
http://titanstailgate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2550

ryangm2123
01-04-2010, 05:47 PM
we need to find this year's darrelle revis

Parddy
01-04-2010, 10:42 PM
we need to find this year's darrelle revis


Amen.

Sect309Fan
01-05-2010, 08:47 AM
Jared Cook for a top 50 player. hmmm.

talent evaluation = FAIL.


Cook has a year in the league already. He has a decent chance to be the starter next year. That is why we made the pick. A 2nd year starter is usually better than a #50 rookie.

Southside Tirant
01-05-2010, 09:40 AM
Cook has a year in the league already. He has a decent chance to be the starter next year. That is why we made the pick. A 2nd year starter is usually better than a #50 rookie.

I agree. And if Scaife does decide to walk atleast we don't need to worry about the TE position as much as we would without Cook.

Also one would assume without the 2nd rd pick this year the Titans would make up for it in Free Agency (Hopefully)! I just hope after the season CJ just had, It will attract players to want to come to Tennessee.

utkjoe
01-05-2010, 11:52 AM
Jared Cook for a top 50 player. hmmm.

talent evaluation = FAIL.

Hell its probably for the best anyway, at least NE stands a chance of drafting a good player at that spot.

You know things have gotten crazy when we expect OROY from a third round pick or he was a bust.

Parddy
01-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Cook has a year in the league already. He has a decent chance to be the starter next year. That is why we made the pick. A 2nd year starter is usually better than a #50 rookie.

The point being he comes at an expensive price which at this juncture is a concern. However, maybe it was Marks' talent that we overestimated in the
2nd round. All in all it was a costly move and one of the two MUST become a productive starter. If not, it is a bad move. IMO

Old Oilers Fan
01-05-2010, 12:18 PM
The point being he comes at an expensive price which at this juncture is a concern. However, maybe it was Marks' talent that we overestimated in the
2nd round. All in all it was a costly move and one of the two MUST become a productive starter. If not, it is a bad move. IMO

We may lost a second pick this year but if Cook pans out like he suppose to then I say the pick was well worth it. After all Cook is fighting three other TE for the starting job. Two of those Veterans are good starters or have been. What Cook showed in preseason was inspiring I just hope the Titans can get more progress out of him as the time goes by. I am not ready to call him Troupe yet.

Toronto
01-05-2010, 02:35 PM
Without a doubt, Johnson gives the franchise the ability to sell itself better than any coach, management or area representative possibly could.

Its not just how good he is, its what he achieved - he will single-handedly give the team 2 or 3 primetime games now next year - major selling points to potential draft picks/UFAs.

NYTitan21
01-05-2010, 03:20 PM
Without a doubt, Johnson gives the franchise the ability to sell itself better than any coach, management or area representative possibly could.

Its not just how good he is, its what he achieved - he will single-handedly give the team 2 or 3 primetime games now next year - major selling points to potential draft picks/UFAs.

Oh man, just PLEASE don't call him a free agent magnet :lolhit

Sect309Fan
01-05-2010, 04:10 PM
he will single-handedly give the team 2 or 3 primetime games now next year

It doesn't hurt that we play the NFC East, Indy, Pittsburgh, and the Chargers. ;)

Those teams are primetime magnets.

LB
01-05-2010, 11:13 PM
Titans need a kick and punt returner, that is for sure

MrBean
01-05-2010, 11:40 PM
I don't think talent is the problem with Cook. Heimerdinger stated that he has had trouble with the pass patters??

Reading between the lines it appears his ability to grasp the NFL offense is the real issue here.

Or possibly they tried to shove too much at him at once. Remember in pre-season, they were also lining him up as a WR, so that's twice as much crap that he had to get down.

Besides, he's a rookie. You are seriously lucky when you get any production out of rookie WR's or TE's.

titansikou
01-06-2010, 12:12 AM
Cook was injured AFAIK and missed some critical playing time. I don't recall anything about him not learning well. In fact, I recall the opposite.

This from August:

Rookie report

Though first-round selection, wide receiver Kenny Britt, and fifth-round pick, running back Javon Ringer, have created substantial buzz, tight end Jared Cook was the most talked about player during my visit to training camp. To clarify, I did not write most talked about rookie. I wrote most talked about player. A sample:

"All the QBs are developing bad habits because they're just throwing it up in the air and he's bringing it down," Fisher said of Cook.

"Every day he does at least two or three things that make you go 'Wow,'" said fellow tight end Alge Crumpler.

"Jared Cook, physically he's got a tremendous amount of ability," Collins said. link (http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811f68ba&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true)

If anything, the problem with Cook could be durability. He injured his ankle early on in the season and was concussed in December. I still see lots of upside to him so long as he stays healthy.

Maximus
01-06-2010, 02:04 AM
The Cook Trade was a bad move, period. Trading what turned out to be mid-second in 10' for pick what was it, 20th, in the third in 09'? I'd just as soon we offered them a 4th in 09' & a 4th in 10'. If they balked on the offer then to Hell with it.

Cld12pk2go
01-06-2010, 07:30 AM
Way to early to call the Cook Trade a bad move. Lets check back in 2 years...

amy
01-06-2010, 10:18 AM
Gee, how nice to be loved! I make a few fire Fisher remarks and the boys get all in a sweat! go figure! Pray tell, what's the difference in my remarks and yours defending him? If you want mediocrity, just say so! I won't be offended!:p:D:thumbsup

I say we call it a draw and wait until next season to see how it all pans out. One thing for sure. I'm going to be right or you're going to be right.

Titansfan777
01-06-2010, 11:01 AM
cook is a beast....in madden.

hooktool
01-06-2010, 11:22 AM
I don't recall Cook being on the field very much, but my impression was he caught most of the passes that came his way. I don't know about blocking etc., but there were two journeyman TE's playing ahead of him. I think someone has to watch tape, or at least tell us for sure Cook was out there and screwing up, but I don't believe that's the case. Just because we don't hear his name much doesn't make him a bust.

John

Maximus
01-06-2010, 11:42 AM
What they paid for the draft pick to select Cook was the entire point of my post, not what he does, or doesn't produce in the future. That's why I said it was a bad move.

utkjoe
01-06-2010, 12:16 PM
so far Cook has produced more on the field than any other 2010 2nd round pick, so I'm okay with him. We'll see how that streak continues next season.

TTP77
01-06-2010, 12:25 PM
What they paid for the draft pick to select Cook was the entire point of my post, not what he does, or doesn't produce in the future. That's why I said it was a bad move.

I actually think the opposite. Cook was rated very high in that draft and some thought he was as good as Pettigrew. He was expected to go in the 2nd round. We drafted him in the third and so he got a contract based on being a 3rd round pick. It's way too early to tell whether this was a bad move or not.

Parddy
01-06-2010, 01:48 PM
Could this be the next Tennessee Titan??????


http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slides/photos/000/135/206/92709265.jpg.9066.0_display_image.jpg?1262794160

barnybyrd
01-06-2010, 07:50 PM
Gee, how nice to be loved! I make a few fire Fisher remarks and the boys get all in a sweat! go figure! Pray tell, what's the difference in my remarks and yours defending him? If you want mediocrity, just say so! I won't be offended!:p:D:thumbsup

I say we call it a draw and wait until next season to see how it all pans out. One thing for sure. I'm going to be right or you're going to be right.

Wrong thread possibly??? This one's about draft picks, not Fisher. :thumbsup

MrBean
01-06-2010, 11:47 PM
Gee, how nice to be loved! I make a few fire Fisher remarks and the boys get all in a sweat! go figure! Pray tell, what's the difference in my remarks and yours defending him? If you want mediocrity, just say so! I won't be offended!:p:D:thumbsup

I say we call it a draw and wait until next season to see how it all pans out. One thing for sure. I'm going to be right or you're going to be right.

A few? A few... really now. :slap

Southside Tirant
01-08-2010, 10:20 AM
Does anyone know when the coin flip happens?

Sect309Fan
01-08-2010, 10:30 AM
Does anyone know when the coin flip happens?

Last year, it happened on Feb 22.

Parddy
01-08-2010, 11:17 AM
Last year, it happened on Feb 22.

Did we win? lol

MDK Titan
01-08-2010, 12:09 PM
can you imagine us losing the flip, Carolina takes the player we want right before us and he ends up being a special player and we end up with a lemon all because we lost a flipping coin toss? :p

Sect309Fan
01-08-2010, 12:22 PM
This is a pretty unusal year, because there will be three coin tosses.

Jags and Bears tied and had same SOS.
Titans and Panthers.
Falcons and Texans.


I do like the new draft order in terms of playoff teams. In all previous drafts, how a team finished in the playoffs had no effect unless you were in the Super Bowl. Also being in playoffs had no effect, so the 8-8 playoff Chargers in 2009 picked ahead of the 11-5 no-playoff Patriots.

Under the new rules, the losers this weekend will draft 21-24, the losers in the divison round will draft 25-28, the two conference championship losers will draftt 29-30, the Super Bowl loser drafts 31, and the winner is 32.

MDK Titan
01-08-2010, 12:29 PM
yeah I do like the new order too. is there really no better alternative than a coin toss though? might as well have them do rock, paper, scissors....

Sect309Fan
01-08-2010, 12:36 PM
yeah I do like the new order too. is there really no better alternative than a coin toss though? might as well have them do rock, paper, scissors....

It's as fair as anything. It does seem pretty amazing that teams can finish with the exact same record and same strength of schedule. If the Colts hadn't quit their last two games, we would be #17 by ourselves. At least we now have a 50-50 chance at #16.

Parddy
01-08-2010, 02:06 PM
A coin flip isn't very exciting if you ask me. They should flip three coins at the same time, the team that gets two of the three coins wins the lower draft pick. If all three coins are the same (goocher) that team gets BOTH picks. :D

Titanico
01-08-2010, 03:07 PM
A coin flip isn't very exciting if you ask me. They should flip three coins at the same time, the team that gets two of the three coins wins the lower draft pick. If all three coins are the same (goocher) that team gets BOTH picks. :D

Like sissors and stones?

Parddy
01-08-2010, 04:11 PM
Rock, paper, scissors...........shoot.

Aaron3322
01-08-2010, 05:48 PM
Rock, paper, scissors...........shoot.

Paper, Rock, Scissors, Shoot. Get it right! haha

Titan723
01-08-2010, 06:10 PM
A coin flip isn't very exciting if you ask me. They should flip three coins at the same time, the team that gets two of the three coins wins the lower draft pick. If all three coins are the same (goocher) that team gets BOTH picks. :D

Speaking of coin flips, did anyone see the coin flip at the BcS game Thursday? they did't even have to call it. Whatever logo game up was the team that one the toss.

Maximus
01-08-2010, 06:26 PM
I actually think the opposite. Cook was rated very high in that draft and some thought he was as good as Pettigrew. He was expected to go in the 2nd round. We drafted him in the third and so he got a contract based on being a 3rd round pick. It's way too early to tell whether this was a bad move or not.

It's not too early because the compensation the Titans gave the Pats won't change irregardless. The Titans didn't trade for Cook per say, they traded for pick 89, or the 25th pick in the third round, nearly a fourth round pick. For all the Pats knew, or at least, all they SHOULD have known, the Titans very well could have been trading to select Elmer Fudd. If they knew otherwise, then the Titans need to work on their poker face. Paying a second rounder for a late third was much too expensive for THE PICK they were trading for. An early to mid third would have at least been a reasonable swing. If the Titans were going by value of the player, then they should have drafted Cook with their original pick, & traded up for Mouton being that Cook was the higher rated player overall.

I have nothing against Cook as a player, & I LOVE the fact we got him in the late third, but make the compensation paid more proportionate of the value of THE PICK itself, not necessarily the value of Cook. There is a difference.

RegulatRR27
01-09-2010, 12:12 AM
It's not too early because the compensation the Titans gave the Pats won't change irregardless. The Titans didn't trade for Cook per say, they traded for pick 89, or the 25th pick in the third round, nearly a fourth round pick. For all the Pats knew, or at least, all they SHOULD have known, the Titans very well could have been trading to select Elmer Fudd. If they knew otherwise, then the Titans need to work on their poker face. Paying a second rounder for a late third was much too expensive for THE PICK they were trading for. An early to mid third would have at least been a reasonable swing. If the Titans were going by value of the player, then they should have drafted Cook with their original pick, & traded up for Mouton being that Cook was the higher rated player overall.

I have nothing against Cook as a player, & I LOVE the fact we got him in the late third, but make the compensation paid more proportionate of the value of THE PICK itself, not necessarily the value of Cook. There is a difference.

Couldn't agree more, didn't bother bringing it up cuz didn't think no one cared (kinda like how on the texans monday night game when we kicked the go ahead field goal from 50 + yards, with 3 timeouts left, and on 1st down, dumb move, but luckily they won) getting back to the point its almost as if they called the pats and were like "look theres a kid from south carolina that we really like, didn't think he dropped this far, we're desperate for him now, we'll give anything" We should be glad we have a 1st round pick this year. There are so many other trades that would have been better, for us, and still good for them. How bout our third from that year, along with another one of the 7 other draft picks we had. or our third this year, and hell even a 4th or 5th. But yes a 2nd round this year for a 3rd round pick last year= complete one sided- I want to know who the F made that trade

TTP77
01-09-2010, 08:15 AM
If he turns out to be a good player this debate will go away. the relative value of a draft pick just allows you to pick from what is supposed to be a superior talent pool. that we traded away a 2nd round pick to draft a high prospect in the 3rd round (getting two third round picks) just doesn't bother me. Cook was projected to go in the 2nd round and i believe there was someone picking ahead of us who were thought would take him so we made the trade. What bothers me more is fan attitude that if a rookie doesn't make an immediate contribution he is deemed a bust. what happened to giving these guys some time to come into the league and learn their position and learn the speed of the game. Fans are too impatient in that regard. JMO

Cld12pk2go
01-09-2010, 08:36 AM
yeah I do like the new order too. is there really no better alternative than a coin toss though? might as well have them do rock, paper, scissors....

rock paper scissors lizard spock

:lmao

ryangm2123
01-09-2010, 09:12 AM
when is the coin toss done? its not on the day of the draft is it?

Sect309Fan
01-09-2010, 11:23 AM
when is the coin toss done? its not on the day of the draft is it?

Last year it was Feb 22.

Jones31
01-09-2010, 11:29 AM
Done at the combine.

Rolltide14TOMB
01-10-2010, 12:09 PM
Javy, Javy, Javy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!