2010 Roster

[TitansFan23]

So... Who will/won't be back next year?

Here's a list of the Titans 2010 RFA/UFA.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/STGNOV05/Capture.png

LW won't be back. He'll want a shot at playing, and I don't blame him.

Mawae is getting old.

Bulluck just messed up his ACL and he'll turn 33 in April.

Scaife was WAY over-paid this year; he certainly didn't earn that franchise tag.

Crumpler? Meh. I wouldn't hate to see him come back, but it wouldn't break my heart if he didn't.

KVB may have a non-stop motor, but he was a disappointment this year.

Harper? God no!

How about Hawkins? I know he's not a FA, but will he make the team next year? Should he?

Anyone else?

Source: http://theredzone.org/showteam.aspx?Team=Titans

[RegulatRR27]

Not sure your source is 100 % correct, may be wrong, but I though Tenn. just signed Fuller to a 4 year deal last off season.

Hmm, wasn;t aware that Benji still played

Roos is def not a free agent, just locked him up b4 last season

I think White is a restricted free agent not Unrestricted

and I don't think Amato is a free agent either

That list also doesnt inlcude, kearse, ball, vickerson, hentrich (although he's done anyway),

[brazillianTitan]

Ok ...

LenDale White (bye)
Alge Crumpler (if we cant get Bo ... two year)
Bo Scaife (expensive)
Benji Olsen (retired)
Michale Roos (signed - 2013)
Eugene Amano (bye)
Kevin Mawae (id give a two years contract)
Tony Brown (tree years)
Kyle Vanden Bosch (i dont know)
Ken Amato (i think he is signed - 2011)
Keith Bulluck (we need this guy, show him the money)
Stephen Tulloch (we need this guy, show him the money)
Nick Harper (bye)
Vincent Fuller (signed - 2011)
Dave Ball (I dont know)
Hentrich (Bye)
Jevon Kearse (bye)
Kevin Vickerson (sing him cheap and cut Javon Haye - same production)

We need another D!

[RegulatRR27]

I don't know why everyone is always down on Amano, keep the oline together for as long as possible, if they don't wanna sign mawae back, fine, harris is a better run blocker anyway, and has plenty of exp. now.

they have to sign either scaife or crumpler, cuz I don't want to go into next season with Cook/stevens who dont have a lot of meaningful gametime exp.

It would be nice it they tendered White a 2nd rounder and someone else signed him, so we could get a 2nd round pick back this year, but doubtful someone would sign him as a 3rd round tender-just not alot of need for a RB, let alone a RB like him.

[RegulatRR27]

also while we are discussing off season stuff, I know it would be a reach, but I wouldnt mind picking C.J. Spiller in round 1, for the following reasons:

1. He can return kicks, and our returning game blew

2. as far as drafting a starting for round 1 on the team, I don't see it. I would like to think even if they don't sign KVB or Ball back, that Ford would be given the chance and you don't draft a back up DE in round 1

3. Assuming they resign Tulloch, which makes more sense to me then signing Bulluck (if they will only sign one or w/e the reason) the LB core will be fine with Tully, Thornton, and McRath

4. With Harper gone, you gotta think that Mouton/ McCourty/maybe Hood (if still around) will get a chance to win that job.

5. You can't expect CJ to have another big year like this w/o some setback, and Spiller possess some likeness of our CJ and since we no longer use a power back (or w/e you wanna call Lendale) keep drafting speed and playmakers in the first round-CJ/Britt are turning into stars, lets reach and take spiller

[TitansFan23]

Not sure your source is 100 % correct, may be wrong, but I though Tenn. just signed Fuller to a 4 year deal last off season.

Hmm, wasn;t aware that Benji still played

Roos is def not a free agent, just locked him up b4 last season

I think White is a restricted free agent not Unrestricted

and I don't think Amato is a free agent either

That list also doesnt inlcude, kearse, ball, vickerson, hentrich (although he's done anyway),

I'll try to find a more accurate source than KFFL.

OK, it's updated; not sure on the accuracy.

You'd think ESPN would have a list, but I can't find one.

[RegulatRR27]

didnt realize we had so many restricted FAs, now I'm really hoping we can get a 2nd round pick back

[Jimmyd24]

also while we are discussing off season stuff, I know it would be a reach, but I wouldnt mind picking C.J. Spiller in round 1, for the following reasons:

1. He can return kicks, and our returning game blew

2. as far as drafting a starting for round 1 on the team, I don't see it. I would like to think even if they don't sign KVB or Ball back, that Ford would be given the chance and you don't draft a back up DE in round 1

3. Assuming they resign Tulloch, which makes more sense to me then signing Bulluck (if they will only sign one or w/e the reason) the LB core will be fine with Tully, Thornton, and McRath

4. With Harper gone, you gotta think that Mouton/ McCourty/maybe Hood (if still around) will get a chance to win that job.

5. You can't expect CJ to have another big year like this w/o some setback, and Spiller possess some likeness of our CJ and since we no longer use a power back (or w/e you wanna call Lendale) keep drafting speed and playmakers in the first round-CJ/Britt are turning into stars, lets reach and take spiller

I think we need to take best defensive player in the 1st round: DE DT LB CB. Any of those positions. Our defense was horrid this year and we just need some more talent on that side of the ball. We saw that our offense can be explosive imo this year with Vince Young on that side of the ball. Our receivers looked good (minus Nate), o-line was again good and with Vince, CJ was unimaginable.

I have considered Spiller but I think there are too many wholes on the D to go offense. This is going to be a deep draft this year as there are going to be a ton of Juniors coming out in hopes of avoiding the rookie salary cap that will probably be put into place next season. Unfortunately, we do not have a second round pick this year so it is beyond important to take best player possible in the 1st round.

I would easily consider trading our teen pick if possible in order to get a late round 1st pick and maybe a 2nd or 3d round pick with it being such a deep draft. We need more depth on d and more picks is the only way I can see that happening.

[brazillianTitan]

I think we need to take best defensive player in the 1st round: DE DT LB CB. Any of those positions. Our defense was horrid this year and we just need some more talent on that side of the ball. We saw that our offense can be explosive imo this year with Vince Young on that side of the ball. Our receivers looked good (minus Nate), o-line was again good and with Vince, CJ was unimaginable.

I have considered Spiller but I think there are too many wholes on the D to go offense. This is going to be a deep draft this year as there are going to be a ton of Juniors coming out in hopes of avoiding the rookie salary cap that will probably be put into place next season. Unfortunately, we do not have a second round pick this year so it is beyond important to take best player possible in the 1st round.

I would easily consider trading our teen pick if possible in order to get a late round 1st pick and maybe a 2nd or 3d round pick with it being such a deep draft. We need more depth on d and more picks is the only way I can see that happening.

I Agree, but we have at least Thorton, McRath and Tulloch (or Bulluck or both) ... Id Like a Big DT and a edge pass rusher ... (two top 5 rounds) :thumbsup

We, probably, will get a 3rd round compensatory, rigth?

[RegulatRR27]

the whole point of the post was that you don't draft back up defensive guys in the first round, if you draft defense they need to be starting. And we will have 3/4s of the secondary back with the other spot a toss up of prolly hood/McCourty/Mouton, the d-line "at worst" next year will be ford/jones/brown/hayes with marks and haye backing up in the middle and at LB (assuming they can't be stupid enough to let both bulluck and Tully walk, lets say they keep tully at minimum) will be thorntan/tully/mCrath.

So from all that if they draft defense who is gone? if they go corner, you're saying screw Mouton/McCourty and their development "they will never pan out" cuz we all know if you don't perform your rookie year, you suck:sad, or if hood is still around he's gone too?

explain why exaclty we would go defense with the current personal and past drafts?

[hooktool]

Fisher said a while back that Hood had a future here, as odd as that may sound. :) And Kaesviharn seems to have been working ok as depth and PR, and may continue until they find a killer at that position. Yeah sure. :D

I think both of them will be back.

John

[brazillianTitan]

the whole point of the post was that you don't draft back up defensive guys in the first round, if you draft defense they need to be starting. And we will have 3/4s of the secondary back with the other spot a toss up of prolly hood/McCourty/Mouton, the d-line "at worst" next year will be ford/jones/brown/hayes with marks and haye backing up in the middle and at LB (assuming they can't be stupid enough to let both bulluck and Tully walk, lets say they keep tully at minimum) will be thorntan/tully/mCrath.

So from all that if they draft defense who is gone? if they go corner, you're saying screw Mouton/McCourty and their development "they will never pan out" cuz we all know if you don't perform your rookie year, you suck:sad, or if hood is still around he's gone too?

explain why exaclty we would go defense with the current personal and past drafts?

I like Ford, but I dont think he is a every down DE, he is a good rusher, we need another one. KVB/Ball/Kearse will go, we can get a greate DE on 1st Round and we should go after a good free agency DE.
A 1st round DE would play sunday against Seahawks to me!

[Rolltide14TOMB]

terrence cody, javy arenas, rolando mcclain

[TTP77]

Jacob Ford is definitely developing into an every down DE. We need depth there though. I think first priority is a DT since Jason Jones can't stay healthy. I think Marks has come on this year and Tony Brown will be a RFA. I wasn't sold on Vickerson before the season and I'm not sold now. He's average to mediocre IMO.

[don28]

...I wasn't sold on Vickerson before the season and I'm not sold now. He's average to mediocre IMO.

Plus he's undisciplined at times.

[RegulatRR27]

Plus he's undisciplined at times.

yea and after four years ( i think) in the league for a DT you should be a little further along, so why waste money on a player who has reached his peak when you could possibly get a younger cheaper guy with better upside

[don28]

yea and after four years ( i think) in the league for a DT you should be a little further along, so why waste money on a player who has reached his peak when you could possibly get a younger cheaper guy with better upside

Also, I believe he is one strike away from a year-long suspension if he violates the substance abuse policy.

[gnarl]

id prefer if we can draft a playmaker in the secondary. doubt we will get berry but idk if earl thomas is going to declare for the draft. but he might be kinda a reach with our pick.

either way draft for...

DE-FENSE! dun dun!

[InVinceWeTrust]

Earl is a real talent, but will only come out if he has a First Round Grade, he's a Red Shirt Soph this year. If we're going for a Texas D player, I think we could make better use of Kindle, who has serious range and pass rushing skills and has played both End and LB. He will likely go in the back half of the first round so he could be available. I also like McCoy of OU for the D-line.

[TitansGiantsBears]

I can't imagine any scenario where the Titans would draft offense in the first round which means without a doubt they will draft offense in the first round. :lol

This defense needs a true difference maker at DT that can play in the 4-3. Many of the secondary issues will take care of themselves with someone in the middle who can play the role Albert did when he was here. Brown is ok, but he's not the kind of guy that DC's game plan around. If there is no stud DT available when the Titans draft, then I could see them going corner if one is available that has immediate starting potential.

Of course all this could change with free agents coming in as well. It really depends on whether there are any cheap DT's or CB's available.

[TTP77]

I can't imagine any scenario where the Titans would draft offense in the first round which means without a doubt they will draft offense in the first round. :lol

This defense needs a true difference maker at DT that can play in the 4-3. Many of the secondary issues will take care of themselves with someone in the middle who can play the role Albert did when he was here. Brown is ok, but he's not the kind of guy that DC's game plan around. If there is no stud DT available when the Titans draft, then I could see them going corner if one is available that has immediate starting potential.

Of course all this could change with free agents coming in as well. It really depends on whether there are any cheap DT's or CB's available.

Read this article by Profootballfocus. Tony Brown had a pro bowl caliber year. He was excellent this year.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=86

[PBV]

The big issue is a new CBA, without it, guys like White Tulloch and Scaife will be cheap RFAs and won't likely go anywhere unless traded. Free Agency begins in about 60 days, and since the owners will have an opportunity to clear all cap debit by not having a new CBA for 2010, I doubt there will be one.

I think Bulluck, Harper, KVB, Mawae are gone, and Hentrich might return as punter or assistant of some sort.

I think Offense is set draftwise, and we will take best players available at all D positions, with no focus on any in particular. Maybe a slight favortism towards LBs and Safetys, were we lack depth, especially safety. McGrath replaces Bulluck, Tulloch gets re-signed, Thorton has one more year, and Keglar gets another season to prove if he can succeed Thorton. Hope has one last season, and is slipping, so that's why maybe favortism towards safety, especially considering Reinfeldt, Fisher, and Cecil.

That's my 2 cents.

[Old Oilers Fan]

The big issue is a new CBA, without it, guys like White Tulloch and Scaife will be cheap RFAs and won't likely go anywhere unless traded. Free Agency begins in about 60 days, and since the owners will have an opportunity to clear all cap debit by not having a new CBA for 2010, I doubt there will be one.

I think Bulluck, Harper, KVB, Mawae are gone, and Hentrich might return as punter or assistant of some sort.

I think Offense is set draftwise, and we will take best players available at all D positions, with no focus on any in particular. Maybe a slight favortism towards LBs and Safetys, were we lack depth, especially safety. McGrath replaces Bulluck, Tulloch gets re-signed, Thorton has one more year, and Keglar gets another season to prove if he can succeed Thorton. Hope has one last season, and is slipping, so that's why maybe favortism towards safety, especially considering Reinfeldt, Fisher, and Cecil.

That's my 2 cents.

If the Titans lose Mawae I will see them try to replace him either through the Draft or Free Agency. I also see this team Drafting Defense mainly at Linebackers. Then the Defensive Line followed by Defensive Backs. If not in that order then the best Defensive player at their pick. The rest would be depth on Offensive Line and Special Teams. Did I miss any position? :lol

[TTP77]

We still need a backup QB assuming Kerry doesn't come back (and I don't think he does). Given the price tag FA's are going to command this next year I'm not sure we'll enter that market.

[RegulatRR27]

I have a feeling i'm going to be repeating myself alot in the next few months.....

1. Kerry has one more year left on his deal, so I doubt here is gonna retire, knowing he'll get essentially free money as a back-up, and no way he gets cut

2. Yes we need a guy with consistent push from the DTs up the middle and most want to draft that guy round 1, however when healthy Jones can do that, brown has been very consistent, plus we just signed haye to a 4 year deal and drafted marks in round 2 last year, so no way we draft a DT until maybe round 5-7, cuz he wont be playing or active much at all, so why waste a pick??

3. LB is a possibility but I can't see spending a middle 1st round pick on a guy who is just gonna be a back-up for at least a year, sitting behind Thorntan, Tully (will be re-signed), and McRath( bulluck is gone), so again why waste a pick on a guy who will barely play. Now sum might say well thats what we did when we drafted Bulluck, well he was liek pick 30th i beileve, you can sit those guys, but high to middle round guys need to play, thats simple, unless its a QB, top 20 picks play alot and early.

4.I can't see Tenn. drafting a corner because they might resign hood, plus have 2 rookie CBs that have got sum playing time this year ( i know they both kinda blew, but any experience being that young is good experience). When i think of mouton/McCourty, I'm wishing for a off-season like hayes had this year and then come on strong in the season. They say that most players make their biggest jump from year one to year 2, so let's see if one of those guys can do that and land a starting spot, or just sign hood and he could fill that role.

5. Now we do have a problem with only having Griffen, Hope, and Fuller who can play saftey, but again I cant see a team spending a middle 1st round pick on a guy who is gonna barely play.

6. Also someone said if Mawea goes, which he prolly will, then draft or sign a replacment, um isnt that guy named Leroy Harris who has always played pretty well??

7. Finally, remembering what I said above, the only position that makes sense to draft, that could help contribute to the team, (especially this team) is a RB. Cuz like it or not we are 3 deep at WR as well as Hawkins showing sum ability and Cook waiting in the wings to take over. I say RB cuz thinking CJ can do this year in and year out is ludacris, and since we are becoming a speed running team, by evidence of White not getting any playing time, draft a guy like Spiller/ maybe Best who can do sum things similar to CJ plus maybe give us a returning who can give us field pos. like Carr did last year.

I know its long, but it makes sense....at least to me

[hooktool]

The big issue is a new CBA, without it, guys like White Tulloch and Scaife will be cheap RFAs and won't likely go anywhere unless traded. Free Agency begins in about 60 days, and since the owners will have an opportunity to clear all cap debit by not having a new CBA for 2010, I doubt there will be one.

I think Bulluck, Harper, KVB, Mawae are gone, and Hentrich might return as punter or assistant of some sort.

I think Offense is set draftwise, and we will take best players available at all D positions, with no focus on any in particular. Maybe a slight favortism towards LBs and Safetys, were we lack depth, especially safety. McGrath replaces Bulluck, Tulloch gets re-signed, Thorton has one more year, and Keglar gets another season to prove if he can succeed Thorton. Hope has one last season, and is slipping, so that's why maybe favortism towards safety, especially considering Reinfeldt, Fisher, and Cecil.

That's my 2 cents.

That's close to a nickel's worth, I think. :) It's sounds reasonable from today's perspective. I sure hope they can come to terms with Keith, though.

John

[TitansGiantsBears]

Read this article by Profootballfocus. Tony Brown had a pro bowl caliber year. He was excellent this year.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=86

I know Brown had a good season, but there's a difference in having a Pro Bowl caliber year and taking over games the way Albert did. If there is a solid prospect available at DT or CB, there's no way the Titans pass him up.

[Old Oilers Fan]

I have a feeling i'm going to be repeating myself alot in the next few months.....

1. Kerry has one more year left on his deal, so I doubt here is gonna retire, knowing he'll get essentially free money as a back-up, and no way he gets cut

2. Yes we need a guy with consistent push from the DTs up the middle and most want to draft that guy round 1, however when healthy Jones can do that, brown has been very consistent, plus we just signed haye to a 4 year deal and drafted marks in round 2 last year, so no way we draft a DT until maybe round 5-7, cuz he wont be playing or active much at all, so why waste a pick??

3. LB is a possibility but I can't see spending a middle 1st round pick on a guy who is just gonna be a back-up for at least a year, sitting behind Thorntan, Tully (will be re-signed), and McRath( bulluck is gone), so again why waste a pick on a guy who will barely play. Now sum might say well thats what we did when we drafted Bulluck, well he was liek pick 30th i beileve, you can sit those guys, but high to middle round guys need to play, thats simple, unless its a QB, top 20 picks play alot and early.

4.I can't see Tenn. drafting a corner because they might resign hood, plus have 2 rookie CBs that have got sum playing time this year ( i know they both kinda blew, but any experience being that young is good experience). When i think of mouton/McCourty, I'm wishing for a off-season like hayes had this year and then come on strong in the season. They say that most players make their biggest jump from year one to year 2, so let's see if one of those guys can do that and land a starting spot, or just sign hood and he could fill that role.

5. Now we do have a problem with only having Griffen, Hope, and Fuller who can play saftey, but again I cant see a team spending a middle 1st round pick on a guy who is gonna barely play.

6. Also someone said if Mawea goes, which he prolly will, then draft or sign a replacment, um isnt that guy named Leroy Harris who has always played pretty well??

7. Finally, remembering what I said above, the only position that makes sense to draft, that could help contribute to the team, (especially this team) is a RB. Cuz like it or not we are 3 deep at WR as well as Hawkins showing sum ability and Cook waiting in the wings to take over. I say RB cuz thinking CJ can do this year in and year out is ludacris, and since we are becoming a speed running team, by evidence of White not getting any playing time, draft a guy like Spiller/ maybe Best who can do sum things similar to CJ plus maybe give us a returning who can give us field pos. like Carr did last year.

I know its long, but it makes sense....at least to me

Every position can be improved on:

1. Collins wanted to start if not he rather farm. He has his money so why go out and beat your old body up if you don't have to.

2. A defensive lineman wouldn't be a wasted pick if he can produce better than what we got out of our d-line last year. you know like someone like Haynesworth.

3. I see your point there but if a LB can make an instant impact then why not.

4 & 5. Same as 3

6. If the center is highly skilled then go for it. Harris can always replace Scott when the time comes. A team can never have enough big men on the o-line.

7. We have a young number one RB and Ringer to back him up. A RB would be a wasted number one pick.

The defense is getting old and the offense is just a player or two away from being set.

[ZachLV27]

I have a feeling i'm going to be repeating myself alot in the next few months.....

1. Kerry has one more year left on his deal, so I doubt here is gonna retire, knowing he'll get essentially free money as a back-up, and no way he gets cut

2. Yes we need a guy with consistent push from the DTs up the middle and most want to draft that guy round 1, however when healthy Jones can do that, brown has been very consistent, plus we just signed haye to a 4 year deal and drafted marks in round 2 last year, so no way we draft a DT until maybe round 5-7, cuz he wont be playing or active much at all, so why waste a pick??

3. LB is a possibility but I can't see spending a middle 1st round pick on a guy who is just gonna be a back-up for at least a year, sitting behind Thorntan, Tully (will be re-signed), and McRath( bulluck is gone), so again why waste a pick on a guy who will barely play. Now sum might say well thats what we did when we drafted Bulluck, well he was liek pick 30th i beileve, you can sit those guys, but high to middle round guys need to play, thats simple, unless its a QB, top 20 picks play alot and early.

4.I can't see Tenn. drafting a corner because they might resign hood, plus have 2 rookie CBs that have got sum playing time this year ( i know they both kinda blew, but any experience being that young is good experience). When i think of mouton/McCourty, I'm wishing for a off-season like hayes had this year and then come on strong in the season. They say that most players make their biggest jump from year one to year 2, so let's see if one of those guys can do that and land a starting spot, or just sign hood and he could fill that role.

5. Now we do have a problem with only having Griffen, Hope, and Fuller who can play saftey, but again I cant see a team spending a middle 1st round pick on a guy who is gonna barely play.

6. Also someone said if Mawea goes, which he prolly will, then draft or sign a replacment, um isnt that guy named Leroy Harris who has always played pretty well??

7. Finally, remembering what I said above, the only position that makes sense to draft, that could help contribute to the team, (especially this team) is a RB. Cuz like it or not we are 3 deep at WR as well as Hawkins showing sum ability and Cook waiting in the wings to take over. I say RB cuz thinking CJ can do this year in and year out is ludacris, and since we are becoming a speed running team, by evidence of White not getting any playing time, draft a guy like Spiller/ maybe Best who can do sum things similar to CJ plus maybe give us a returning who can give us field pos. like Carr did last year.

I know its long, but it makes sense....at least to me

That makes no sense at all actually.

1) Kerry will be cut before he is paid what his contract says he's going to be paid. It's way too damn much for a backup QB.

2) The fact that Jones can't stay healthy helps prove that we need someone who can be consistent at that position.

3) Brian Cushing. That's all I really need to say. He was drafted 15th FYI.

4) I agree that CB doesn't sound likely. I doubt Hood will play a role in their decision but their 2 young corners will.

5) If Taylor Mays is still available (his projected draft spot varies so greatly) I could see him being worth the pick and can see Cecil and Fisher falling in love with his style.

6) I don't see us picking an offensive lineman in round one. It's just not what we do. I don't see Harris as a long term starter either though.

7) No way in hell. You don't use a 1st round pick on what is without a doubt your strongest position.

[ZachLV27]

I was yelling about us needing to draft KB's replacement last year in the 1st round. I'll say it again this year.

[Titanico]

So... Who will/won't be back next year?

Here's a list of the Titans 2010 RFA/UFA.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/STGNOV05/Capture.png





Lets see...

[RegulatRR27]

Every position can be improved on:

1. Collins wanted to start if not he rather farm. He has his money so why go out and beat your old body up if you don't have to.

2. A defensive lineman wouldn't be a wasted pick if he can produce better than what we got out of our d-line last year. you know like someone like Haynesworth.

3. I see your point there but if a LB can make an instant impact then why not.

4 & 5. Same as 3

6. If the center is highly skilled then go for it. Harris can always replace Scott when the time comes. A team can never have enough big men on the o-line.

7. We have a young number one RB and Ringer to back him up. A RB would be a wasted number one pick.

The defense is getting old and the offense is just a player or two away from being set.

That makes no sense at all actually.

1) Kerry will be cut before he is paid what his contract says he's going to be paid. It's way too damn much for a backup QB.

2) The fact that Jones can't stay healthy helps prove that we need someone who can be consistent at that position.

3) Brian Cushing. That's all I really need to say. He was drafted 15th FYI.

4) I agree that CB doesn't sound likely. I doubt Hood will play a role in their decision but their 2 young corners will.

5) If Taylor Mays is still available (his projected draft spot varies so greatly) I could see him being worth the pick and can see Cecil and Fisher falling in love with his style.

6) I don't see us picking an offensive lineman in round one. It's just not what we do. I don't see Harris as a long term starter either though.

7) No way in hell. You don't use a 1st round pick on what is without a doubt your strongest position.

1.Well Collins won't be getting beat up, cuz he won't be playing. He wants to start? never remember seeing that sumwhere, though arguably true for all players, no team would want him starting now, and he knows his role, he has been with us for what like 4 years now. No reason why he won't play his final year out.

2.Ok they draft a DT, who is left out then? (assuming brown stays). Well brown and Jones start (if healthy), They just signed haye to 4 year deal I believe, so he isn't going anywhere, and Marks is a 2nd round pick, and should be ready to contribute next year, so if they drafted a 1st round DT, who is gonna sit, come inactives? too much talent to have siting on the bench.

3. Well the texans actually had a need for a LB, unlike us who next year will at minimum will have thorntan, Tully (will be resigned) and McRath. So again, if they drafted a LB in round 1, who is gone? Tully-too young, and hopefully be resigned, McRath- too young good upside, Thorntan-maybe, but we all know fisher is too loyal to do something like that.

4/5. If they draft a CB/S, then you have to think who is gone? For S, they are not getting rid of Griffen, and Hope is getting older, but again like thorntan above, a long time starting vet is not being let go for a rookie.

6. I don't see how Harris isn't a long term answer for Center. He has played well in every given chance, it's not like he has played bad at all. And yes you can never have enough good O-lineman, but (assuming amano resigns/Mawea leaves) harris would take over at Center, we would have Otto, (kinda like the new Loper-been around awhile..etc.) and lets not forget Kropog, who is a Munich guy, so on paper there is our 7 active lineman for next year.

7. The reason why I say a guy like Spiller is because like it or not, we don't really have a lot of holes, as far as starters go. With that said a guy like Spiller could spell CJ hopefully with out much drop off, but be a better back-up than White ( in this new offense where obviously speed is key). And maybe more importantly, he could return kicks, which I don't think there is even an argument is prolly one of the weakest pos. on the team.

[Old Oilers Fan]

1.Well Collins won't be getting beat up, cuz he won't be playing. He wants to start? never remember seeing that sumwhere, though arguably true for all players, no team would want him starting now, and he knows his role, he has been with us for what like 4 years now. No reason why he won't play his final year out.

2.Ok they draft a DT, who is left out then? (assuming brown stays). Well brown and Jones start (if healthy), They just signed haye to 4 year deal I believe, so he isn't going anywhere, and Marks is a 2nd round pick, and should be ready to contribute next year, so if they drafted a 1st round DT, who is gonna sit, come inactives? too much talent to have siting on the bench.

3. Well the texans actually had a need for a LB, unlike us who next year will at minimum will have thorntan, Tully (will be resigned) and McRath. So again, if they drafted a LB in round 1, who is gone? Tully-too young, and hopefully be resigned, McRath- too young good upside, Thorntan-maybe, but we all know fisher is too loyal to do something like that.

4/5. If they draft a CB/S, then you have to think who is gone? For S, they are not getting rid of Griffen, and Hope is getting older, but again like thorntan above, a long time starting vet is not being let go for a rookie.

6. I don't see how Harris isn't a long term answer for Center. He has played well in every given chance, it's not like he has played bad at all. And yes you can never have enough good O-lineman, but (assuming amano resigns/Mawea leaves) harris would take over at Center, we would have Otto, (kinda like the new Loper-been around awhile..etc.) and lets not forget Kropog, who is a Munich guy, so on paper there is our 7 active lineman for next year.

7. The reason why I say a guy like Spiller is because like it or not, we don't really have a lot of holes, as far as starters go. With that said a guy like Spiller could spell CJ hopefully with out much drop off, but be a better back-up than White ( in this new offense where obviously speed is key). And maybe more importantly, he could return kicks, which I don't think there is even an argument is prolly one of the weakest pos. on the team.

The Titans are going to draft the best defensive player available no matter what position he plays. What will it hurt to have him sit for a year? A running back is the least of the team worries especially with the first pick. As far as a kick return man maybe they can get a smarter Pac-Man.

[ZachLV27]

7. The reason why I say a guy like Spiller is because like it or not, we don't really have a lot of holes, as far as starters go. With that said a guy like Spiller could spell CJ hopefully with out much drop off, but be a better back-up than White ( in this new offense where obviously speed is key). And maybe more importantly, he could return kicks, which I don't think there is even an argument is prolly one of the weakest pos. on the team.

We don't have a lot of holes? What defense were you watching this year? What special teams were you watching? Our special teams and defense IS one big giant gaping hole.

If you could draft someone like a Brian Cushing then guys like McRath can stay in their backup roles that they are best suited for. I like McRath but he hasn't shown me anything that says he can be a starter in this league.

I don't see any possible way that we don't draft a defensive player with our first pick. Not with how bad our defense looked this year whenever they played a decent team.

At the start of last season we had Kearse, KVB, KB, and Harper as starters. Every single one of them is either most likely on their way out or should be on their way out. On top of those older guys we also have younger guys that will be testing the market (Brown, Tulloch, etc.). Plugging in our current backups isn't a solution when they couldn't even get on the field over the guys that were getting torched each week.

[ZachLV27]

The Titans are going to draft the best defensive player available no matter what position he plays. What will it hurt to have him sit for a year? A running back is the least of the team worries especially with the first pick. As far as a kick return man maybe they can get a smarter Pac-Man.

A middle of the road CB that is flashy on returns, but is smart enough to have the strippers come to him?

[Sect309Fan]

Collins will definitely be cut. We aren't going to pay $6.5 million for a back up QB. He was mainly given a 2-year deal in case Vince didn't work out. Since Vince is our starter next year, we will cut Collins and likely pick up a cheap veteran QB.

[brazillianTitan]

I think we'll cut Collins. I think we need a Defensive Line:
Javon Haye was a zero factor this year, but will stay next year. Brown, can test the market, but i think he will stay. Jones (2nd round) can do the job, when healthy (he is a good pass rusher), Marks (2nd round) will be a factor next year ... i dont think we will draft a DT! I think we will draft a DE: (Ball, Kearse and KVB wouldn't be here) Hayes (Ok), Ford (Ok) and (KVB, Ball and/or a Free Agent) and we still need a edge pass rusher ...

[RegulatRR27]

You guys are acting like collins is owed some big salary, and even if he was, we have plenty of cap room, as I recall like around 30 million under, which wont even matter if there is no cap, in the last ten years or so, they have never let a vet back-up QB leave/cut/w.e without having another QB that is capable of being a back up-ex. Niel O'donnel, let go when we got Volek, Volek let go (traded) when we got Collins

Also I'm sum1 said that McRath has shown them nuthun that he (McRath) could be a starter. Well I'm sure glad you aren't the coach, cuz I remember reading something that one of teh coaches said that McRath has all the mental aspects of teh game down, just needs to basically hit the weight room and get bigger. And he hasnt done anything to say, "man he sucks take him out"- seems to me that he's done his job when in the game

Lastly I say that we don't really have any starting holes cuz of a few reasons.
Sum1 else said that the D basically just doesn't show up agianst good talent ex. colts/pats/chargers. Well in the first colts game, their was no finn/fuller, then the following week we were also w/o harper (how did we ever manage I know) so those 2 games we were essentially playing all rookies (cept for hood in the pats game who barely played as I recall) then in the 2nd colts game, I don't think anyone here would argue that it is cuz of anyone but really harper, he got picked on so early/often, and cuz the scheme doesnt call for a change, a blowout came (i know not the only reason they lost, but a big part). Now with that said i do believe teh weakest spot on the team is that soon to be vacated spot on harpers side, but with Fisher being too loyal to draft picks (for a few years...ex paul williams/chris henry come to mind) i can't see a situation where Mouton/McCourty aren't giving a shot to win out that spot, and maybe even throw in Hood

I think we all agree that hayes haas one startin end down, and most think Ford could be an upgrade on the other side, and you can find DE depth in later rounds or on the back end of free agency.

Also someone said that alot of the "younger" FA on the team will test the market, gonna be kinda hard to test anything when Brown/Tully (the 2 guys you said) will be restricted free agents, meaning we get to tender them, and i could see brown getting tendered anywhere from a 2nd to a 4th, and same with Tully, not because they are tech. worth that much, but cuz Tenn doesn't want to lose them, and if they do, want good compensation.

[Sect309Fan]

You guys are acting like collins is owed some big salary, and even if he was, we have plenty of cap room, as I recall like around 30 million under, which wont even matter if there is no cap, in the last ten years or so, they have never let a vet back-up QB leave/cut/w.e without having another QB that is capable of being a back up-ex. Niel O'donnel, let go when we got Volek, Volek let go (traded) when we got Collins.

$6.5 million is still significant, especially when you can get a guy just as good for $2 million. We will get a vet, but a cheaper, younger vet.

At worst, we cut Collins and re-sign him for $2 million right before training camp.

[Jones31]

None of that $6.5 is guaranteed.

[BJShan]

6.5 Million for a backup IS a big salary.

Lets look as some other backup QBs in 2009: (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=144)

Vince Young: 2.1 Million Salary
Billy Volek: 2.5M
David Carr: 2.1M
Sage Rosenfels: 2.0M
Michael Vick: 1.6M
Jim Sorgi: 1.2M
Matt Leinart: 1.1M
Rex Grossman: 600K

You'd have a hard time convincing me that Collins is worth more than anyone on that list at this point in his career.

Why would they pay Collins 6.5 when they could cut him in the event that there is no cap penalties next year?

[Sect309Fan]

None of that $6.5 is guaranteed.

Exactly. That is why I think he gets cut. Now if there a salary cap, I assume their will be a slight cap hit for cutting Collins, but it shouldn't be major.

[TitansFan23]

According to PK on FB, Collins has no plans on retiring, but he knows he'll be an expensive backup.

[Sect309Fan]

Collins should try to go somewhere. He can be like Testervede and be a back up in his 40's (not that is 40 already...he is younger than me).

[RegulatRR27]

I never said that 6.5 million isn't a lot of money, but more so we have so much cap room (if there is a cap) that it shouldnt be an issue, and really not an issue if there isnt a cap. And if sum1 actuially thinks that Rex Grossman and Jim Sorgi are worth more than Collins even in this stage of his career, then you are very delusional.

[Sect309Fan]

Appartenly it is $5.5 million, but it is still a lot of money.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091230/SPORTS01/91230059/Kerry-Collins-wants-to-stay-with-Titans

[Jones31]

Base salaries aren't guaranteed unless they play week 1. I agree they are likely to cut him and bring him back at a reduced price.

[ZachLV27]

I never said that 6.5 million isn't a lot of money, but more so we have so much cap room (if there is a cap) that it shouldnt be an issue, and really not an issue if there isnt a cap. And if sum1 actuially thinks that Rex Grossman and Jim Sorgi are worth more than Collins even in this stage of his career, then you are very delusional.

Stop thinking about the salary cap. It will have absolutely no bearing on whether Collins is back or not. That $5.5 million is coming out of Bud Adams pocket though and you don't know this team all that well if you think Bud is fine with tossing away an extra 3 or 4 million dollars.

[BJShan]

I never said that 6.5 million isn't a lot of money, but more so we have so much cap room (if there is a cap) that it shouldnt be an issue, and really not an issue if there isnt a cap. And if sum1 actuially thinks that Rex Grossman and Jim Sorgi are worth more than Collins even in this stage of his career, then you are very delusional.

You would pay a guy who had a 65 QB rating, 8 interceptions to 6 TD and a 55% completion rating 6.5 Million dollars when you didn't have to and I'm the delusional one?

Just because there may not be a cap doesn't mean someone isn't paying Collins to hold a clipboard. You could find someone to hold the same clipboard for 1/10th the price and he may be a better fit to backup VY. When VY is out of the game our gameplan changes drastically. We'd be better off finding a younger more athletic type that can run similar plays.

Maybe it's because I don't have a lot of money but I don't see the waste in paying someone 10x what you have to.

[Jones31]

Troy Smith is looking for a way out of Baltimore.....

[don28]

Troy Smith is looking for a way out of Baltimore.....

He's kind of intriguing, but I would rather see the Titans have a veteran backup in case Young goes down. Troy Smith is a wild card. He might surprise good, but he might surprise bad.

[Old Oilers Fan]

Troy Smith is looking for a way out of Baltimore.....

That wouldn't be a bad back-up and I am not saying that because he is from Ohio State. :whistling

:lol

[RegulatRR27]

While I agree that 5.5 million isn't cheap, what other veteran QB can we bring in, that you would feel comfortable playing if Vince goes down (which history shows us you will. Also a QB that has chemistry with the team, and won't throw a fit cuz he thinks he should be starting, for at least the next year, I say we gotta keep collins, unless they really believe Booty is the back up answer, kinda like Volek for O'donnel a few years back, but i doubt it. We need a solid vet QB, and since kerry's been here a while, knows the offense..etc. He should be the best fit for next year.

And about bud adams paying that kinda money, I agree he does't always show the deepest pockets, but he's gonna have to pay everyone alot of money next year. He can't be stupid enough to cut a solid vet back-up just over a few million and it would be a few million cuz another back up would prolly make around 2-3 million. Which is like pennies to him anyway.

Also troy smith has always interested me, I like him, and would maybe even want him here, but if that means getting rid of kerry and making him the guy...i dno bout that

[TTP77]

I know Brown had a good season, but there's a difference in having a Pro Bowl caliber year and taking over games the way Albert did. If there is a solid prospect available at DT or CB, there's no way the Titans pass him up.

I've been saying we need to draft a DT for a while now.

I'm surprised Kerry wants to come back given his offseason statements last year but since he does I think we'll keep him.

[PBV]

I think troy smith would be a good fit. Trade Scaife for him.

[Jones31]

Titans Coach Jeff Fisher: Vince young will return as starter in 2010

[ryangm2123]

You would pay a guy who had a 65 QB rating, 8 interceptions to 6 TD and a 55% completion rating 6.5 Million dollars when you didn't have to and I'm the delusional one?

Just because there may not be a cap doesn't mean someone isn't paying Collins to hold a clipboard. You could find someone to hold the same clipboard for 1/10th the price and he may be a better fit to backup VY. When VY is out of the game our gameplan changes drastically. We'd be better off finding a younger more athletic type that can run similar plays.

Maybe it's because I don't have a lot of money but I don't see the waste in paying someone 10x what you have to.

mike vick? imagine cj vick and young in the backfield

[Parddy]

It doesn't make sense to build this team and the offense around an extremely 'mobile quarterback' and then have a back-up who is clearly a pure pocket passer with NO mobility whatsoever. That is a formula that is doomed for disaster..IMO

I think Kerry was tremendous here, I also think it's time to move on.

[RegulatRR27]

It doesn't make sense to build this team and the offense around an extremely 'mobile quarterback' and then have a back-up who is clearly a pure pocket passer with NO mobility whatsoever. That is a formula that is doomed for disaster..IMO

I think Kerry was tremendous here, I also think it's time to move on.

You know this is actually a very good point, something I have thought about as well, but what QBs are out there that would :
1-are very mobile
2-have vet experience
3-would be willing to be a back up, and be fine with that and not sound off when they are not playing.

Lets see, maybe Troy Smith, but I wouldn't call him very mobile, or a vet, beings he hasn't got alot of significant playing time. So with that said, Kerry might be the best option for at least this year

[ryangm2123]

MikeGriff33
WHY DID SOME RANDOM GUY ASK ME FOR SUPER BOWL TIX AND THEN GRAB MY BAG OF SOUR PATCH KIDS OUT OF MY HAND AND SAY THAT's TOO MUCH SUGAR

haha, random but i thought it was worth sharing

[PBV]

MikeGriff33
WHY DID SOME RANDOM GUY ASK ME FOR SUPER BOWL TIX AND THEN GRAB MY BAG OF SOUR PATCH KIDS OUT OF MY HAND AND SAY THAT's TOO MUCH SUGAR

haha, random but i thought it was worth sharing

haha, good stuff! "I get no respect" :lmao

[TTP77]

Jim Wyatt on UFA's and RFA's....

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100107/SPORTS01/1070343/2072/SPORTS

[Parddy]

Good stuff TTP,


Just food for thought: List of the 2010 UFA & RFA Linebackers on the market:



LB Eric Alexander UFA New England Patriots Free Agent
LB Jon Alston UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent
LB Ken Amato UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent
LB James Anderson UFA Carolina Panthers Free Agent
LB Tully Banta-Cain UFA New England Patriots Free Agent
LB Antwan Barnes RFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent
LB Bertrand Berry UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent
LB Gary Brackett UFA Indianapolis Colts Indianapolis Colts
LB Ricky Brown UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent
LB Keith Bulluck UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent
LB Angelo Crowell UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent
LB Thomas Davis UFA Carolina Panthers Free Agent
LB Tim Dobbins UFA San Diego Chargers Free Agent
LB Elvis Dumervil UFA Denver Broncos Free Agent
LB Scott Fujita UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
LB Omar Gaither UFA Philadelphia Eagles Free Agent
LB Chris Gocong UFA Philadelphia Eagles Free Agent
LB Ramon Guzman RFA Indianapolis Colts Free Agent
LB Parys Haralson UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
LB James Harrison UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent
LB Thomas Howard UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent
LB Clint Ingram UFA Jacksonville Jaguars Free Agent
LB D'Qwell Jackson UFA Cleveland Browns Free Agent
LB Rashad Jeanty UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent
LB Brandon Johnson UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent
LB Derrick Johnson UFA Kansas City Chiefs Free Agent
LB Akeem Jordan RFA Philadelphia Eagles Free Agent
LB Aaron Kampman UFA Green Bay Packers Free Agent
LB Freddy Keiaho Re-signed Indianapolis Colts Indianapolis Colts
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Shawne Merriman UFA San Diego Chargers Free Agent
LB Kirk Morrison UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent
LB Chike Okeafor UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent
LB Nick Roach RFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
LB Matt Roth UFA Miami Dolphins Free Agent
LB Barrett Ruud UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent
LB DeMeco Ryans UFA Houston Texans Free Agent
LB Anthony Schlegel UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent
LB Mike Schneck Signed Atlanta Falcons Free Agent
LB Jamie Sharper UFA Seattle Seahawks Free Agent
LB Matt Sinclair UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Derek M. Smith UFA San Diego Chargers Free Agent
LB Cody Spencer UFA Detroit Lions Free Agent
LB Lofa Tatupu UFA Seattle Seahawks Free Agent
LB Dontarrious Thomas Signed Free Agent San Diego Chargers
LB Odell Thurman UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent
LB Pago Togafau UFA (Cut) Arizona Cardinals Free Agent
LB Jason Trusnik RFA New York Jets Free Agent
LB Stephen Tulloch UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent
LB Jeff Ulbrich UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
LB Mike Vrabel UFA Kansas City Chiefs Free Agent
LB DeMarcus Ware UFA Dallas Cowboys Free Agent
LB Marcus Washington UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Gerris Wilkinson UFA New York Giants Free Agent
LB D.J. Williams UFA Denver Broncos Free Agent
LB Jamar Williams UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
LB Chris Wilson RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Pierre Woods UFA New England Patriots Free Agent

[Parddy]

Also the DB's on the market: I hope my source is accurate.


SS Will Allen UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent
CB Will D. Allen UFA Miami Dolphins Free Agent
CB Alan Ball RFA Dallas Cowboys Free Agent
FS Antoine Bethea UFA Indianapolis Colts Free Agent
SS Atari Bigby UFA Green Bay Packers Free Agent
CB Will Blackmon UFA Green Bay Packers Free Agent
CB Dre' Bly UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
CB Leigh Bodden UFA New England Patriots Free Agent
FS C.C. Brown UFA New York Giants Free Agent
CB Courtney Brown Signed Free Agent New York Giants
SS Melvin Bullitt RFA Indianapolis Colts Free Agent
FS Daniel Bullocks UFA Detroit Lions Free Agent
FS Josh Bullocks UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
SS Tyrone Carter UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent
FS Ryan Clark UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent
CB Drew Coleman UFA New York Jets Free Agent
FS Nick Collins UFA Green Bay Packers Free Agent
FS Craig Dahl RFA New York Giants Free Agent
CB Kevin Dockery UFA New York Giants Free Agent
SS Reed Doughty UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
SS Abram Elam UFA New York Jets Free Agent
CB Therrian Fontenot UFA Philadelphia Eagles Free Agent
FS Eric Frampton RFA Minnesota Vikings Free Agent
FS Vincent Fuller UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent
CB William Gay RFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent
CB Charles Gordon UFA Minnesota Vikings Free Agent
CB Cedric Griffin UFA Minnesota Vikings Free Agent
CB Brent Grimes RFA Atlanta Falcons Free Agent
CB Nick Harper UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent
SS Roman Harper UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
FS Antoine Harris RFA Atlanta Falcons Free Agent
CB Walt Harris UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
CB Anthony Henry UFA Detroit Lions Free Agent
CB Ellis Hobbs UFA Philadelphia Eagles Free Agent
CB Marcus Hudson UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
CB Marlin Jackson UFA Indianapolis Colts Free Agent
CB Tim Jennings UFA Indianapolis Colts Free Agent
CB David Jones RFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent
FS Sean Jones UFA Philadelphia Eagles Free Agent
SS Kenoy Kennedy UFA Detroit Lions Free Agent
SS Dawan Landry UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent
FS Danieal Manning UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
CB Richard Marshall UFA Carolina Panthers Free Agent
FS Derrick Martin RFA Green Bay Packers Free Agent
CB Terrence McGee UFA Buffalo Bills Free Agent
CB Terence Newman UFA Dallas Cowboys Free Agent
CB Karl Paymah UFA Minnesota Vikings Free Agent
SS Charlie Peprah UFA Green Bay Packers Free Agent
SS Brodney Pool UFA Cleveland Browns Free Agent
SS Pierson Prioleau UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
CB Keiwan Ratliff UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent
CB Keiwan Ratliff Signed Free Agent Cincinnati Bengals
FS Mark Roman UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
CB Stanford Routt UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent
CB Benny Sapp UFA Minnesota Vikings Free Agent
SS Gerald Sensabaugh UFA Dallas Cowboys Free Agent
FS Darren Sharper UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
FS Ko Simpson UFA Detroit Lions Free Agent
FS Eric Smith UFA New York Jets Free Agent
CB Keith Smith UFA (Cut) San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
FS Quinton Teal RFA Carolina Panthers Free Agent
CB Leigh Torrence UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
CB Deshea Townsend UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent
CB Jonathan Wade RFA St. Louis Rams Free Agent
CB Fabian Washington UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent
SS Pat Watkins UFA Dallas Cowboys Free Agent
CB Corey Webster UFA New York Giants Free Agent
CB Antoine Winfield UFA Minnesota Vikings Free Agent
CB Jahi Word-Daniels Signed Free Agent Detroit Lions
CB Ashton Youboty UFA Buffalo Bills Free Agent
FS Usama Young RFA New Orleans Saints Free

[TTP77]

That list needs updating if the CBA isn't extended. Tulloch will be a RFA not a UFA.

[Parddy]

I was afraid of that... Thanks.