Big Al back as a Titan? Don't bet on it.

[Sect309Fan]

John Clayton of ESPN.com wrote an interesting comment (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?name=clayton_john&id=5057987&action=upsell&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog%3fname%3dclayton_john%26id%3d5057987) today:


Could Albert Haynesworth end up back with the Tennessee Titans? Don't be surprised. The Washington Redskins offered Haynesworth to Philadelphia in the Donovan McNabb trade talks but the Eagles settled for draft choices. What is clear is that the Redskins are willing to part with Haynesworth, according to multiple sources. It doesn't seem as though Haynesworth is right fit at the moment in the new Mike Shanahan era.

Haynesworth has always been comfortable playing for Jeff Fisher and defensive line coach Jim Washburn in Nashville, but he couldn't refuse the seven-year, $100 million offer from the Redskins last season.

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Jim Wyatt has his opinion (http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2010/04/06/dont-bet-on-haynesworth-return/) on the issue:

Then, there’s the "Haynesworth Factor." If new Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan is already ready to move him, what makes anyone think Titans Coach Jeff Fisher is ready to take him back on? Remember, Fisher and Haynesworth didn’t always see eye-to-eye, and Haynesworth wasn’t the most popular guy with the coaching staff on his way out. If he could be had for cheap then who wouldn’t want him? But there’s nothing about Haynesworth that screams cheap.

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I just don't see any way the Titans pick up Big Al's contract. And as Wyatt writes, the Titans have invested a lot to replace him.

[gnarl]

i dont see the picking up his contract either.

but ill be honest, if they were to trade for him...i wouldnt oppose one bit.

but it wont happen

[TitansJonne]

I know it seems unlikely but think about it. Bud is getting old and he'll do anything to get this team closer to 08 form. Don't count this out yet.

[ZachLV27]

No way in hell would this happen. The Redskins were bidding against themselves last year and nobody is going to want to pay him this year after how he looked once he got his paycheck.

[titan122]

No way in hell would this happen. The Redskins were bidding against themselves last year and nobody is going to want to pay him this year after how he looked once he got his paycheck.

From what I can remember hearing is that tampa offered Al a bigger contract than the skins did but he wanted a bigger market and a team that was closer to contending for a SB and the Buc's were and are still no where close.

I would like to see Big Al back in two tone blue but not at the cost of his current contract.

And with what Wyatt wrote about him and Fisher and the staff didnt always see eye to eye also would leave me to believe that they wouldnt have him back after everything is said and done.

But hey anything can happen! But I am damn sure not going to hold my breath.

[Yvette]

Only if it's a heavily incentive laden one year contract. Big Al is lazy when he isn't hungry.

[ZachLV27]

Only if it's a heavily incentive laden one year contract. Big Al is lazy when he isn't hungry.

Looking at him I doubt a day has gone bye where he wasn't hungry... (Too easy but I had to go there)

[Maximus]

Never pay Sirloin price for ground beef. Haynesworth would have to come up with a better attitude, & work ethic, which is not likely to happen after this many years.

You also have to take into account that his wallet is as big as his belly & ego now, so unless there was some major financial concessions I say pass.

[TitansJonne]

Only if it's a heavily incentive laden one year contract. Big Al is lazy when he isn't hungry.

He's like a bear in hibernation. Only coming outside when it's nice out. lol

[315]

It would be nice to recycle another jersey again, ala Kearse

[TTP77]

ahh screw it, i'm gonna say it. what a colossal ahem "blunder" it was to sign Haye to that contract.

[Southside Tirant]

I don't know how much it matters but, Apparently the Skins have already paid Haynesworth $32 million of the $41 million he's owed in guaranteed money. So he'd be guaranteed just his contract and 9 million in bonus money! I forgot how much a year he's making, i think it was around 16 Mill a year. And it's reported it would take a 2nd and 4th to get him! Im not saying we should, I'm not that high on him since he started running his mouth about our team and was telling our players to leave Tennessee when he got to Washington!

Here's an article on the matter... And also there's something on ESPN Insider about it (Wink, Wink, TTP77).

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21245/albert-haynesworth-a-goner-with-redskins

[pookha]

it was hard enough for both fisher and washburn to motivate him prior to the contract years and it is going to be near nigh impossible now that he has all the money.,
they already went through that song and dance of albert supposedly wanting to work out on his own and then showing up out of shape.
and people forget that he wasnt that dominate (check the sack numbers ect) before that contract period).

add in how albert's mouth seemingly never did close last season.
from bragging about how everyone from snyder on down were going out of their way to make him feel special and welcome to the way he groused openly when things didnt go well.

and a lot of the washington beat reporters who got to observe him the most in not just the games but practice have pretty much labeled him a dog.

really all the fears the titans had about albert dogging it after getting his money have come true.

[pookha]

Only if it's a heavily incentive laden one year contract. Big Al is lazy when he isn't hungry.

problem is with all the money washington has paid him it will be a long time before he gets really hungry .and by then it is going to be too late with most of his skills gone.

[Jimmyd24]

Ship them Lendale and a 4th. None of you can argue that he wont make this team a hell of a lot better

[RegulatRR27]

only way id want him back if like above said....we got rid of lendale in a deal...but other than that....no....no.......no....no.....no.....NO....H ELL NO....
but would also mean we'd have to get rid of one of the younger DT on the roster....

[ZachLV27]

Ship them Lendale and a 4th. None of you can argue that he wont make this team a hell of a lot better

Him sitting on the sidelines because he is out of shape and winded after one play doesn't make us better. It makes us worse.

Then there's the 4 games or so he'll miss to injury. I doubt he will make us better during those either.

[Johnnyb]

The problem with trading them Lendale is that they already have Clinton Portis, Willie Parker, and Larry Johnson, none of which play on special teams and none of which are any good at running screens or catching passes out of the backfield. Lendale isn't any better at any of that than the rest of them so he doesn't help them at all.

I think what we'd probably have to give up to get him would be a 3rd and either a 5th or like a Haye or Jones who would probably be pretty good DE's in a 3-4 if you ask me. Haynesworth is definitely worth that amount if he plays at the same level as he did his last two years with us, but that's not guaranteed.

Another problem is his contract. We didn't wanna pay him that much last year, what's changed? Probably nothing. The only way he comes back is if we restructure his contract which I'm not so sure he'll be wanting to do.

[Jimmyd24]

Him sitting on the sidelines because he is out of shape and winded after one play doesn't make us better. It makes us worse.

Then there's the 4 games or so he'll miss to injury. I doubt he will make us better during those either.

Give me a break, ive never heard so many people afraid of making their team better.
2007: 6 sacks
2008: 8.5 sacks

He has started 10 or more games since 2004, why would you not want one of the most dominant DT of ALL TIME to be on your team for at least ten games. He is a player that needs to be game planned for, name me one player on our defensive roster that requires that attention right now? Finnegan? IMO Finnegan as well as our secondary was a product of our excellent D Line in the past.

You cant honestly say right now that if we were to pick him up that he is not the best defensive player on our team PERIOD.

Are you afraid hes not worth the money???? Fine then we will just give it back to good ole Bud Adams to keep.

[NYTitan21]

With the Redskins having paid Albert Haynesworth his $21 million option bonus, his contract is essentially reduced to a three-year, $16M deal.

$9M is guaranteed. "Every team in the NFL would have interest in that," a league source told Profootballtalk.com. The Titans and Rams are believed to be in pursuit of Haynesworth. St. Louis makes a lot of sense because of its annually putrid run defense, and Washington's confirmed interest in Adam Carriker. Carriker would be a perfect fit at end in the Redskins' new 3-4.

Per Rotoworld

[SwissTitansFan]

Hey Albert.....!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6VT7ciR1o

Greetings from a Swiss....!!!

[gnarl]

im sorry but id gladly accept his fat ass back to take up 2-3 people at a time for the 75% of snaps he would play on defense. even if it was for 10-12 games.

and id rather have a haynesworth, brown, jones & marks rotation than haye or vickerson.

he's better than those two combined unmotivated than they are hungry.

and if we got him before the draft...we could move jones to DE and try and draft a secondary stud round 1.

call me crazy, but that dline & defense would be sick.

oh yea...resign keith damnit!

[ZachLV27]

Give me a break, ive never heard so many people afraid of making their team better.
2007: 6 sacks
2008: 8.5 sacks

He has started 10 or more games since 2004, why would you not want one of the most dominant DT of ALL TIME to be on your team for at least ten games. He is a player that needs to be game planned for, name me one player on our defensive roster that requires that attention right now? Finnegan? IMO Finnegan as well as our secondary was a product of our excellent D Line in the past.

You cant honestly say right now that if we were to pick him up that he is not the best defensive player on our team PERIOD.

You're stating that he has started 10 or more games each year is basically supporting what I was saying. He is pretty much guaranteed to miss his 4 games a year. You may be happy with those "pretty" sack statistics but I'd prefer a player that is able to play more then 70% of the games. I'd prefer a player that gives his all on at least 90% of the plays instead of taking half of them off so that he can pad his statistics on the plays he does try.

Al has never once been a consistent player outside of contract years and even then one can easily make the argument that he still wasn't consistent.

Does Al have the ability to be a dominant force? Yes, without a doubt. Does he have the heart? Hell no he doesn't. One of the most dominant DT's of all time? Seriously? I'd rather not even address that statement.

How much game planning do other teams do for him in those 4+ games that he is injured?

Those 2 seasons you mentioned just happened to be contract years. Now lets look at his statistics in all the other years.

2002: 1
2003: 2
2004: 1
2005: 3
2006: 2
2009: 4

[315]

I think I would take him for 12 games a year if the money was right.

[TTP77]

Albert is a dilemma to me. I've watched the guy since he was recruited by my Vols and I can truly say he hasn't changed a whole lot maturity-wise since his college days. I also have the fortunate (or not lol) coincidence to know someone who lived in the building where he had his condo after he moved out from his Williamson County home. I try not to be judgmental about these guys and whatever lifestyle they choose but I can say with certainty that Albert is a putz. A complete dickweed. I don't know how he behaved in DC but he was a terror on the highways here. I believe he still has a pending lawsuit for one accident he has already caused. While I don't think he played as badly in DC as some IMO we will never see the Albert who played so well to entice teams to pay him that big payday. I believe the FO and coaching staff are committed to a youth movement here and frankly Albert isn't young in NFL years. Whether fans like it or not I just don't see this happening.

[Yvette]

I think I would take him for 12 games a year if the money was right.
Include a cattle prod and I'm all for it.

[TTP77]

Who's going to take the chance that he won't stomp on their head? Seriously I can't believe people want him back. He has anger management issues, motivation issues, and other things I just won't get into. I think fans get selective memory. Our defense sucked last year for a number of reasons but people seriously believe it's only because we lost Big Al. But now fans want him back because to them he's the only reason it sucked.

[TTP77]

Honestly I think this was just Shanny pimping the media to get the upper hand a lil bit on Big Al. Albert's always sorta felt like he was above the FO, coaches and team b/c of his athletic ability. And I think Fisher and company sorta played along because Fish and Shanny are big buds. Now I do think the Skins are often incredibly stupid but it would be insane even by their standards to dump this guy when they have paid him so much money already. This is nothing but gamemanship from Mike Shanahan IMO

[Jones31]

I think I would take him for 12 games a year if the money was right.

The money wouldn't change from what it is now.

[TTP77]

It looks like Big Al would have to pay back some bonus money if he left. I just don't see him doing that really.

[chronbrownie012]

I have to say that this would be much more likely if we hadn't made the Jared Cook deal last year. If we trade our third for him we essentially are sitting out of a very deep draft. I don't know how comfortable JF and MR are with that situation

[Jones31]

It looks like Big Al would have to pay back some bonus money if he left. I just don't see him doing that really.
He'd have to pay back money if they traded him????

That just doesn't sound right.

[Sect309Fan]

It all depends on what happens. If another team wants to keep Al's contract, then it should work like any other trade. That team gives up a draft pick and/or a player, and they assume the rest of Al's contract.

However, a team could pay off Al's latest bonus (back to the Redskins), and Al would be a free agent. Then that team could sign him to whatever contract they agreed to. That's the trick with the "voidable" bonus.

[BoroTitan]

Per Adam schefter, he states the redskins aren't looking to trade big al

[Sect309Fan]

Per Adam schefter, he states the redskins aren't looking to trade big al

Technically he states that a "high-up person" in their staff is saying that he won't be traded.

[SouthSide Titan]

Well my feelings on Al possibly coming back are mixed. He ran to the money thinking everything was sweet only to find out otherwise.He knew what he had with our organization and he decided to leave.That boat has sailed Albert.Be out.His attitude right now is he's only out for self.You don't want to play in a 3-4 scheme after Snyder dropped all that cash on you? He needs his ass kicked.Pay me 100 million dollars and I'll be on the field tackling Brandon Jacobs with no shoulder pads.

[TTP77]

This is exactly what I think


Do I think the Titans are interested? Again, of course — he’s the most dominant defensive tackle in the NFL. And I've been told the team is interested if the Redskins are willing to pretty much give him away at a bargain-basement deal.

But again, I just can’t see it happening.

As I wrote here on Tuesday, the Redskins just got through paying Haynesworth a $21 million bonus. They’ve paid him $32 million over the first year of the deal.

Yes, his contract is more affordable to take on now. He would actually come cheap — over the next 3 years he's due just $16.2 million.

But I can’t see the Redskins dumping him after one year after paying him that much. Remember, he was initially shopped to the Eagles before the team paid him the $21 million.

Such a move would go down as one of the biggest blunders in NFL history. New Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan would really have to hate him. And to clear things up, the Titans – or any other team for that matter – can’t re-pay the Redskins money back as part of a trade. Haynesworth would have to be willing to givea good chunk of that money back, and who’d be willing to give back millions?

http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/

Wyatt Blog

[hooktool]

it was hard enough for both fisher and washburn to motivate him prior to the contract years and it is going to be near nigh impossible now that he has all the money.,
they already went through that song and dance of albert supposedly wanting to work out on his own and then showing up out of shape.
and people forget that he wasnt that dominate (check the sack numbers ect) before that contract period).

add in how albert's mouth seemingly never did close last season.
from bragging about how everyone from snyder on down were going out of their way to make him feel special and welcome to the way he groused openly when things didnt go well.

and a lot of the washington beat reporters who got to observe him the most in not just the games but practice have pretty much labeled him a dog.

really all the fears the titans had about albert dogging it after getting his money have come true.

Right on the money, Pookha. :)

John

[pookha]

if albert had been dominate for so long how come he wasnt voted to the pro bowl until 2007??

one interesting thing..
jonathan hutton on 104.5 said john clayton told him the talk of albert going back to the titans is coming from albert and his people.
not suprised.. it is closer to knoxville where i guess he thinks he can continue to goof off and fly around on his speed boat until camp.

we can have replay of prior years when fisher got hacked off in public about albert not only not coming in for the off season program but not being in shape when he did.

[Yvette]

"There’s no question the Titans are interested." (http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2010/04/08/get-haynesworth-and-change-reputation/)

[Sect309Fan]

"There’s no question the Titans are interested." (http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2010/04/08/get-haynesworth-and-change-reputation/)

My big worry is that Titans fans are going to use this as another opportunity to bash the Mike and Jeff if it doesn't happen. It is one thing for the Redskins to trade Al before they paid him $21 million. It is quite another to do so after he has been paid.

The odds are pretty good that he will remain a Redskin for 2010.

[TitansJonne]

Im actually over keith leaving. I would like him back but im over him now. Im confident in us moving forward. And i have a really good feeling about witherspoon and think he can keep the corps steady until we find a true star lb to lead.

[Old Oilers Fan]

You think the Redskins will take Vince for Al. :peepwall

:lol

[TitansJonne]

You think the Redskins will take Vince for Al. :peepwall

:lol
HOW DARE YOU!!!:lolhit

[Sect309Fan]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817854e4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will not attend this weekend's voluntary minicamp, according to a league source.

Haynesworth, who remains hopeful of a trade, will only attend mandatory offseason activities.


League sources remain convinced the Redskins will try to move Haynesworth -- who is balking at playing nose tackle in their new 3-4 scheme -- prior to the draft despite picking up a $21 million bonus at the start of the month.

New coach Mike Shanahan would like to reshape the locker room and eradicate potential issues and distractions. The Tennessee Titans, Haynesworth's former team, and the Detroit Lions, coached by former Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, remain interested in Haynesworth, according to league sources.

[TTP77]

From Wyatt




This much I know regarding the Titans and Albert Haynesworth:

–The Titans are interested in Haynesworth, but they won’t give up the farm to get him.

–The defensive tackle, now with the Redskins, would love an opportunity to return to his former team.

–Haynesworth doesn’t want to play the nose in Washington’s new 3–4 defensive scheme.

–Haynesworth is deep in Redskins’ Coach Mike Shanahan’s doghouse.

–The Titans won’t give up a first-round pick for Haynesworth, and they don’t have a second-round pick.

–The Titans should go after him. Since he’s scheduled to make just $16.2 million, he’d be a bargain.

This much I feel pretty certain about as well:

–The Titans have talked to the Redskins at some point about Haynesworth, even though Coach Jeff Fisher said on Tuesday night he hadn’t spoken to Shanahan.

–The Titans would be willing to give up a third-round pick for Haynesworth, but if the ‘Skins are desperate they could possibly get him for even a fourth.

–Haynesworth won’t be willing to give back some of the bonus money he’s already collected to the Redskins.

–Haynesworth won’t attend Washington’s voluntary minicamp later this week, which will add even more attention to the ugliness.

–If the Titans bring him back, Haynesworth wouldn’t create the same problems in Nashville as he is in D.C.

–If the Titans sign Haynesworth, they’d strongly consider bouncing defensive tackle Jason Jones to end.

This much is unknown:

–If Redskins owner Daniel Snyder has given Shanahan permission to get rid of Haynesworth.

–If the Redskins are willing to make the dumbest move in NFL history by dumping Haynesworth after paying him $32 million for one season, when he produced just four sacks.

Fisher said the team hadn't even had internal discussions about him. hmmmmmm

[Rolltide14TOMB]

Fisher said the team hadn't even had internal discussions about him. hmmmmmm

somebody text bud and tell him to publicly say he wants Albert Haynesworth starting at Defensive Tackle. That will get it done

[titan122]

I guess that just because Fisher says HE hasnt spoke to Shanahan about Big Al doesnt mean that someone else form the Titans fo hasnt talke to someone from the skins fo.

I wonder just how bad Mike wants to get rid of Al? And if Snyder is willing to look like something Al Davis would have done?

[Aaron3322]

i would be estatic if we got him for a 4th.

[Toronto]

Not sure if I'm being repetitive, but as I said elsewhere, doubt anyone can fault the team for passing on Al when he became an UFA. Clear as day he played his ass off for the big deal then has become a shell of himself real fast.

I'll take him back after he gets waived.

[earlers]

Haven't posted in a while but will say that the Big Al reunion has me pumped up!!!


Of course, Pookha still hating on him....what's new :D

[TTP77]

I wonder if all this chatter (and that's all it really is IMO) is affecting our negotiations with Tony Brown. Tony is now playing in that spot and is an RFA who has not signed his tender. The Titans want to sign him long term. Despite what Wyatt and Hutton insisting the Titans are interested I still have my doubts. shrug, but yea I don't care much for Albert

[Rolltide14TOMB]

i want brown AND al back

[Rolltide14TOMB]

with albert and tony assuming haynesworth stays healthy and is rejuvenated leaving washington our defense is set. he masks all of the other problems they may have...tye hill and finnegan...still MAYBE pick a corner if its one of the best but if we got al we could look for that one more dynamic piece on offense to really take us to the next level.....CJ Spiller anyone? man could dinger have some fun with VY CJ and CJ!!

[TTP77]

We could also draft a DT to put in the mix. maybe one who might actually play 16 games and doesn't have an injury history, etc? We also have Jason Jones who plays beside Tony Brown. lol I just don't get all the man love for Albert. But then again I generally try not to live in the past. I have huge questions about whether Albert will be effective next year and if so for how long.

[earlers]

We could also draft a DT to put in the mix. maybe one who might actually play 16 games and doesn't have an injury history, etc? We also have Jason Jones who plays beside Tony Brown. lol I just don't get all the man love for Albert. But then again I generally try not to live in the past. I have huge questions about whether Albert will be effective next year and if so for how long.

Oh but wait! Jason Jones has an injury history too...let's trade him for someone who doesn't have an injury history.

TTP77...You know I'm just trying to give you a hard time while at the same time trying to reason with you :D

[gnarl]

Oh but wait! Jason Jones has an injury history too...let's trade him for someone who doesn't have an injury history.

TTP77...You know I'm just trying to give you a hard time while at the same time trying to reason with you :D

but the sad thing about Jason Jones having an injury history makes this a tough situation for me. I really want albert back, but if Jason Jones is healthy we honestly dont need him. (although it would still be a luxury if he comes cheap)

and I think TTP77 would agree with me...if this kid plays a full starting season, he is gonna be better than Albert Haynesworth. He played half a season and still almost lead our team is sacks/hurries & just gets in the backfield.

He might not crush the pocket as well as albert, but he is a disruptive force himself.

i hope he is working hard this offseason getting healthy.

[TTP77]

Oh but wait! Jason Jones has an injury history too...let's trade him for someone who doesn't have an injury history.

TTP77...You know I'm just trying to give you a hard time while at the same time trying to reason with you :D

oh earlers....lol. well if we bring him back at least this time I could recycle a jersey. I had gotten rid of my Jevon Kearse jersey by the time we brought him back. :)

[TitansJonne]

I don't think anyone want's Big Al back because he is gonna put up numbers. What he WILL do is command a double team every play, creating a constant middle push. That would force the opposition to run outside, where we have quick DE's and LB's (Witherspoon, Tully) to catch the runner. It will also create problems for QBs, not allowing them to step up in the pocket and will make the move outside, where our other DL's can cause trouble. He isn't the answer to all our problems, but he sure as hell can fix alot of them.

[Maximus]

Anything more than a third paid for him & I'll be pissed.

[Old Oilers Fan]

Which Haynesworth would the Titans get back the lazy one we had for five years or the hard working one they had for two contract years? It looks to me that the Redskins want to get rid of the lazy one that they paid 100 million for nothing. No thanks his time as a Titan is up the team needs to draft a DT that is willing to play his whole contract out.

[TitansGiantsBears]

There weren't many players in Washington last year who didn't quit on the team. Their coach was a dead man walking. The owner was interviewing during the season. It was a mess. Al shoulders a lot of the blame because of the huge contract but he wasn't the only player on that team that didn't perform to expectations. Overlooked is their defense finished 10th overall, 8th against the pass, and 16th against the run. Their sack total also went up from 24 in '08 to 40 in '09. I'm not saying give the guy a free pass but I do take last season in Washington with a grain of salt. It would be difficult for just about anyone to stay motivated with what they suffered through last year.

[TTP77]

hmmm, well there was quite the backlash against our own players when they allegedly quit last season....

[Yvette]

I still don't think they quit, I think they never got started until after the epic Beat Down.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

defense finished 10th overall, 8th against the pass, and 16th against the run. Their sack total also went up from 24 in '08 to 40 in '09.

why is it that the fat lazy man always seems to play on top defenses......and when he leaves, he leaves one of the worst defenses in the league? washington's sack total doubled? during that unmotivated season they had? coincidence i guess

[Old Oilers Fan]

why is it that the fat lazy man always seems to play on top defenses......and when he leaves, he leaves one of the worst defenses in the league? washington's sack total doubled? during that unmotivated season they had? coincidence i guess

Just think if Haynesworth doesn't take plays off that top defensive team can maybe go to a Super Bowl.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

Just think if Haynesworth doesn't take plays off that top defensive team can maybe go to a Super Bowl.

this is true but i enjoyed '08 a lot more than '09
i think he put us in a situation to win a super bowl...i mean it took alge fumbling, blown delay of game calls, and more excuses to keep us from winning but without him (unless we found a suitable replacement which i doubt) we have no chance at all of getting to the super bowl unless our offense turns into new orleans...and why would you not want a guy of his caliber even if you dont like him for so CHEAP! thats the key for me

[TTP77]

I've said all along Albert didn't play as badly as ppl think last year. but he clearly had help and those sacks can't solely be attributed to him.

Also




As expected, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was a no-show as the Redskins opened their first minicamp under new coach Mike Shanahan on Friday.

It’s a decision that will keep Haynesworth in Shanahan's doghouse and lead to even more questions about whether the 'Skins will give him the boot at some point.

The Redskins offered Haynesworth to the Eagles as part of a trade last month. The big question now is what Washington would be willing to take in return after paying him $32 million in bonuses over the past 14 months.

The Titans are interested in Haynesworth, but teams like the Lions and Buccaneers seem to be logical suitors as well. Haynesworth played under Lions head coach Jim Schwartz from 2002-08 when Schwartz was still Titans defensive coordinator. The Bucs were hot on Haynesworth’s tail before he signed with the Redskins last offseason.

Shanahan is scheduled to address reporters over the weekend. It’s going to be interesting to see what he says about Haynesworth.

Wyatt blog

[TTP77]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/17/schwartz-wont-talk-about-haynesworth/

[gnarl]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/17/schwartz-wont-talk-about-haynesworth/

looks like Fisher taught him well on how to speak to the media, lol.

[Old Oilers Fan]

this is true but i enjoyed '08 a lot more than '09
i think he put us in a situation to win a super bowl...i mean it took alge fumbling, blown delay of game calls, and more excuses to keep us from winning but without him (unless we found a suitable replacement which i doubt) we have no chance at all of getting to the super bowl unless our offense turns into new orleans...and why would you not want a guy of his caliber even if you dont like him for so CHEAP! thats the key for me

For one he had his chance as a Titan and out of his seven years here the Titans only had a chance for the Super Bowl in his last year when this team overachieved. Second he bailed on this team for money without thinking of his situation. What makes you think that he will play hard and to his caliber for less money? If he was that dedicated he would have never left in the first place. This team needs to move forward bringing back the past doesn't work look what happen with Kearse and Mccareins.

[bucket]

When Haynesworth was here, he practiced and played with one goal in mind- A Big Contract. Now that he's found his pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, why should he play hard ever again??

[Rolltide14TOMB]

What makes you think that he will play hard and to his caliber for less money? If he was that dedicated he would have never left in the first place. This team needs to move forward bringing back the past doesn't work

true but albert is a little better than those guys..who knows maybe he would be rejuvenated after this experience...ppl can change not saying that he for sure would but i sure think the risk is worth the reward....how could it HURT us? our dline could never b any worse

[Old Oilers Fan]

true but albert is a little better than those guys..who knows maybe he would be rejuvenated after this experience...ppl can change not saying that he for sure would but i sure think the risk is worth the reward....how could it HURT us? our dline could never b any worse

I like to see the Titans take a risk on a rookie that has something to prove than a veteran that don't myself.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

on a rookie that has something to prove than a veteran that don't

i would say that albert still has something to prove

We can do both, i mean even if al came back he wouldnt be long term but would allow our defense to be better in the short term while we take chances on rookies and rebuild our defense while still maintaining some competitiveness. And hopefully by the time al was for sure finished we will have built a new dominate defense to go along with the offense

[Old Oilers Fan]

i would say that albert still has something to prove

That is what you say I bet Haynesworth thinks different. ;)

[TitansJonne]

I think we are gonna make a push for him, remember we offered him enough to mae him the highest payed DL. And i believe we truly know how to make him shine.

[Old Oilers Fan]

I think we are gonna make a push for him, remember we offered him enough to mae him the highest payed DL. And i believe we truly know how to make him shine.

We sure do. Make him play in contract years. :lol

[TitansJonne]

We sure do. Make him play in contract years. :lol

We should sign him to 3, 1 year deals.

[bucket]

TitansJonne,
When Haynesworhth was growing up in South Carolina, he never dreamed of running onto the field wearing a Titans helmet. Heck, if he didn't get a scholarship, he's walk on and play. No, Al's a professional and he plays for money. He's got a lot of it so so why should he work hard ever again?

If he comes back here, don't expect a year like 2008 out of him because it just isn't going to happen.
bucket

[Rolltide14TOMB]

well even if im the only one who still believes in big al....i think we all can smile at this :)

http://jerseysandgear.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Titans-Albert-Haynesworth.jpg

[TitansJonne]

^If that was Manning i'd wet my pants lol

[earlers]

Hate to keep posting this same article but it's the only article that is backed up by some facts. Seriously, quit with this notion that he only plays during a contract year or he takes a lot of plays off. Put up some facts to prove that he's a lazy bum.





Lab Results: Titans and Haynesworth
By KC JOYNER
Tennessee Titans

The Football Scientist, KC Joyner, is a Fifth Down contributor. Lab results from “Scientific Football 2009,” to be published in August, are available for those who order the book now.

The topic of today’s post is the Tennessee Titans, but I can’t go through a look at them without taking a moment to clear up a misconception about one of their former players, Albert Haynesworth. A reader comment I received in an ESPN.com chat last Thursday sums this up succinctly: “How do you think I’ll do in Washington? Am I a lazy bum who would only work hard during a contract year? A. Haynesworth.”

I’m not sure where the idea started that Haynesworth doesn’t go all out all of the time, but it sure didn’t come from game-tape review. I have broken down three of Haynesworth’s last four seasons, and nothing I saw during those reviews suggested that he is anything but a full motor kind of player.

His Point of Attack (POA) run block win percentages and Yards Per Attempt (YPA) totals have always been superb, contract year or not.

2005 – 43.4% POA win rate, 3.4 YPA

2007 – 32.3% POA win rate, 3.6 YPA

2008 – 23.8% POA win rate, 3.3 YPA

What these numbers suggest is that some fans’ perception of Haynesworth is the opposite of his performance, or at least it is against the run. A 23.8% POA win rate is very good, but it is just over half of what Haynesworth put up in 2005. This isn’t to say that Washington bought into a declining market, but it does say that as good as Haynesworth is, his history suggests he has some upside potential.

Jason Jones, Haynesworth’s replacement, was a rookie who rotated into the lineup quite often last year. As to how he is likely to fare in taking Haynesworth’s spot, the metrics are of two minds.

Jones did fairly well on YPA, as his 3.6 mark there was a reasonable facsimile of Haynesworth’s 3.3 YPA. Where Jones did not measure up was in POA win rates. He won only 8.6% of the fifty-eight POA runs directed his way.

This combination means that last year Jones was good at being a space eater but not so good at beating individual blockers. Even if he isn’t able to improve the latter, given the talent level of the rest of the Titans’ D, his skills may be more than sufficient to hold down the fort. If Jones does improve and starts to close the POA win rate gap, Tennessee might not miss Haynesworth nearly as much on running plays as is generally expected.

[TitansJonne]

I knew he never quit, he just gets winded easily and also he was part of a rotation, our coaches know when he should be in or not.

[hooktool]

^If that was Manning i'd wet my pants lol

They just showed him body slamming Peyton on the news. :D And tossing Mojo Drew like a toy doll. :D

Wonder if we could get him on a game by game contract? That way every time he plays, he's playing for the money.

John

[TitansJonne]

They just showed him body slamming Peyton on the news. :D And tossing Mojo Drew like a toy doll. :D

Wonder if we could get him on a game by game contract? That way every time he plays, he's playing for the money.

John
Too risky, we could just threaten to switch to a 3-4 if he plays bad. lol

[TTP77]

In Albert's defense, here's a look from a former NFL player

http://passingonthegame.blogspot.com/2010/04/curious-case-of-redskins-defense.html

[Sect309Fan]

In Albert's defense, here's a look from a former NFL player

http://passingonthegame.blogspot.com/2010/04/curious-case-of-redskins-defense.html

Good article. So you have a head coach with no experience running a 3-4, a DC who hasn't run in it in a decade and apparently didn't do well with it, and no players that have any experience with it.

:crazy


Haynesworth has every right to be doing what he is doing. Just because the owner and coaching staff are idiots doesn't mean he has to go along with it.

[TitansJonne]

Yea there just trying anything they can out of despair. This will be as successful as putting Manning in the wildcat.

[TTP77]

Well, I think Big Al could be handling it better and not giving teams a bad taste in their mouth over what a chronic malcontent he appears to be

[Rolltide14TOMB]

i think i saw the redskins traded for adam carriker but im not positive

[TTP77]

they did they are stockpiling DT's but how good they are is up for debate.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

yeah but its still a sign

[Rolltide14TOMB]

i am gonna puke if another team gets albert for some bullcrap cheap deal and we dont.
i can see it now.

Bucs trade 4th and 7th rounder for Albert Haynesworth
I will yack

[TTP77]

lmao! well, for your sake i hope we bring him back :laugh

[Rolltide14TOMB]

haha thanks! i hate having a crappy defense and right now (whether i am right or wrong) i feel as if we have a crappy defense. (the bama feeling is much better knowing our defense is badass)
at least we know the D dropped when 2 things happened:
1. Al left
2. Jim left

well one of em sure aint coming back so why not get the other for what $3 mill more than we are paying Kerry Collins? is that right?

[TTP77]

jason jones couldn't stay healthy either and our secondary had a contest to see who could break their arm the quickest. it was brutal i admit but i don't think it was all not having big al. but i'm prepared to be cool with it if he comes back lol

[Rolltide14TOMB]

had a contest to see who could break their arm the quickest

Lol...not defintely not all....but a "fat" chunk, so to speak

[TTP77]

oh that's right, Finny had to be different and go with the hammy....

[bucket]

i think i saw the redskins traded for adam carriker but im not positive

Yeah, Adam was traded to the Redskins. Does that mean bye-bye haynesworth?
bucket

[TitansJonne]

Titans G.M. Mike Reinfeldt made it clear he couldn't say Albert Haynesworth's name Tuesday, but he didn't squash the potential for a reunion with the former Titans defensive tackle.

"You want me to guarantee we're going to make a trade before the draft? I can't guarantee that," Reinfeldt said. "We'll have a number of discussions over the next couple of days and we'll see where it goes."

Jim Wyatt of the Nashville Tennessean reports the two teams have had discussions.

So basically Mike Shanahan is full of it. But we knew that. We don't even hold it against him.

According to Wyatt, "If the Redskins are truly done with Haynesworth, and want to unload him for cheap, the Titans are ready and willing to take him back in."

[Jones31]

So we'll get him back and he'll go right back to the way he was before he was in a contract year and tagged. I can't see the upside really.

[TTP77]

I'm with you Jones. I really don't get it.

[TitansJonne]

We have had him long enough to know his strength and how to play to it. We rotate him to keep him fresh and occassionally mix it up to put him on the edge.

2nd he does not have to put up numbers in order to be a right fit for us. His presence alone will draw double teams leaving guys like tony brown with a better chance of getting through.

[TitansJonne]

Anyone remember why our 08 Defense was so successful? Because we did not have to blitz. AH commanded the middle so teams would not run inside, and we had enough speed in kvb and kears along with our lbs to stop runs outside. Then our coverage was always in position against the pass. AH was the piece that kept it together. Because in 09 with no one to crunch the middle teams could run wherever. Especially since all kvb would do is run all the way around a defender instead of into him which created a huge gap outside. And with teams able to run on us, our coverage guys had to do a bit more, which is why Griff bit on so many fakes. It all starts upfront. We get a dominant guy on the line and we are back to how we were.

[SwissTitansFan]

We have had him long enough to know his strength and how to play to it. We rotate him to keep him fresh and occassionally mix it up to put him on the edge.

2nd he does not have to put up numbers in order to be a right fit for us. His presence alone will draw double teams leaving guys like tony brown with a better chance of getting through.

I'm with you....!!!

One thing is for sure,....teams have to prepare differently against us, if we have Albert....

[Jones31]

Compare 07 and 08 to years prior and last year, where he admitted to being out of shape and basically was useless for Washington. That was his biggest knock until 07 and 08. It probably still will be no matter where he ends up.

[Parddy]

There would be a comfort zone factor for Fat Al with regards to returning to Tennessee. How cheap can we get him is the biggest question? I wouldn't be bummed if he returned but, I won't lose any sleep over it if he does not.

[TTP77]

Why not draft the next Albert and have a younger guy for more years?

[TitansGiantsBears]

Why not draft the next Albert and have a younger guy for more years?

Because Suh won't be available at #16. Defensive tackles that can blow up a side of the opponent's line and play in the backfield even when double and triple teamed come along once every few years. You can coach a guy on technique all day long and make him into a serviceable, even solid, starter. However, you can't teach talent. It's either there or it isn't.

[Jones31]

There would be a comfort zone factor for Fat Al with regards to returning to Tennessee. How cheap can we get him is the biggest question? I wouldn't be bummed if he returned but, I won't lose any sleep over it if he does not.

16M is what we would have to pay him. What do we have to give up....?????

[TitansJonne]

Compare 07 and 08 to years prior and last year, where he admitted to being out of shape and basically was useless for Washington. That was his biggest knock until 07 and 08. It probably still will be no matter where he ends up.

Anyone have that quote where Albert said he thought every team was like the Titans? I ask because Albert is quickly realizing that every team isn't, and that his safest bet to stay in the right system and a team that will always play to his strengths would be the Titans. We are the team he knows won't change because history proves it. It would be in HIS best interest to return here, and to return in shape and ready to play because with hardly any other teams interested, he knows if he blows it here, that he is likely done in the league.

[TTP77]

Because Suh won't be available at #16. Defensive tackles that can blow up a side of the opponent's line and play in the backfield even when double and triple teamed come along once every few years. You can coach a guy on technique all day long and make him into a serviceable, even solid, starter. However, you can't teach talent. It's either there or it isn't.

we would have to give up a draft pick too. You guys are in love with the Albert of 2007 and 2008. It's 2010.

[Parddy]

We were willing to give him 40m so 16 is a bargain. What would we have to give up is the biggest question Jonesy. A 3rd? a 4th? a 5th?. I'd give up one of our 3rds for him, he is worth that IMO.

[TitansJonne]

Why not draft the next Albert and have a younger guy for more years?

Because 1, who will be available at 16. 2, 16 mill is a bargain we would be stupid to pass up. And 3, why take a reach on a young guy when theres a guy whose proven to be a monster in your system? We get AH at DT then we can get a stud DE and along with TB we can go back to having a fiercesome DLine with no weak links.

[Parddy]

We drafted a DL in the 2nd round last year and he could barely get on the field.

[TitansJonne]

we would have to give up a draft pick too. You guys are in love with the Albert of 2007 and 2008. It's 2010.
And he is still the same player, just on a different team with less talent and the wrong system. We will give up a 3rd which will not be a problem, the draft is really deep this year and also. What's differen't with 2010 Albert? Nothing.

[TTP77]

Because 1, who will be available at 16. 2, 16 mill is a bargain we would be stupid to pass up. And 3, why take a reach on a young guy when theres a guy whose proven to be a monster in your system? We get AH at DT then we can get a stud DE and along with TB we can go back to having a fiercesome DLine with no weak links.

I'm not living in 2008 but I'm also done with this topic. Albert wasn't "Big Al" until he was playing for his big payday. Where did we draft him again? 15th overall.

[Sect309Fan]

We drafted a DL in the 2nd round last year and he could barely get on the field.

He was young and learning. In 2010, he is expected to be a major part of this rotation. Even Haynesworth had limited action his rookie year (though he played some in every game).

[TitansJonne]

I'm not living in 2008 but I'm also done with this topic. Albert wasn't "Big Al" until he was playing for his big payday. Where did we draft him again? 15th overall.

If you are so opposed to resigning him then what would you say we do? Get a guy in the first. Suh and mcoy are gone and after then there is no one who would have as much impact like albert. You seem to be missing out on the main piece. Getting albert would free up our entire defense. While drafting a rookie would give us a guy who may be decent but is unproven and would force us to make more moves this year. We get alber and we can draft a DE then our defense is instantly better. We then need a decent cb and depth and that is all. No albert and we then need to find a de,dt, cb, lb...

[Sect309Fan]

And he is still the same player, just on a different team with less talent and the wrong system.

Washington had more talent on defense than we did last year, with or without Haynesworth.

[TTP77]

Washington had more talent on defense than we did last year, with or without Haynesworth.

Where did Washington's defense grade out the year before they acquired Albert?


Top 10

[TitansJonne]

Im sorry, i mean they have less telnt for their new scheme. And Washington did not get as creative as we did with Al. he wasn't rotated as much or moved around like we did,

[Jones31]

Anyone have that quote where Albert said he thought every team was like the Titans? I ask because Albert is quickly realizing that every team isn't, and that his safest bet to stay in the right system and a team that will always play to his strengths would be the Titans. We are the team he knows won't change because history proves it. It would be in HIS best interest to return here, and to return in shape and ready to play because with hardly any other teams interested, he knows if he blows it here, that he is likely done in the league.

He knew that was the case before he ever left here, he even got on the radio and said that in regards to Jevon Kearse going to Philly, he said he wasn't going to chase the money, he was going to go somewhere that fit his playing style. Surprise, he did the opposite.

[TitansJonne]

Which is why i dont understand why ppl think we let him walk. We offered him 80 mill to stay and he went for the 100 milll. So much for not chasing money. And ebcause we offered him 80mill, i know we really wanted him and were doing everything to get him now. Were in discussions with the redskins for a trade. I think we trade For al and trade Lendale before the week is up.

[Parddy]

He was young and learning. In 2010, he is expected to be a major part of this rotation. Even Haynesworth had limited action his rookie year (though he played some in every game).

He is is a defensive lineman. He is not being asked to run patterns or read defenses. Marks is expected to shed blocks, fill gaps and make tackles. Not exactly a huge learning curve. He should be a major part of the rotation this year and he should be expected to make plays. He is one of the guys we need to step up and contribute this year because that is why we picked him the 2nd round. It will be interesting watching him.

[Southside Tirant]

He is is a defensive lineman. He is not being asked to run patterns or read defenses. Marks is expected to shed blocks, fill gaps and make tackles. Not exactly a huge learning curve. He should be a major part of the rotation this year and he should be expected to make plays. He is one of the guys we need to step up and contribute this year because that is why we picked him the 2nd round. It will be interesting watching him.

I don't think anyone realized Marks was Drafted injured! He had an Ankle injury he played with through out his last season in college. Had he not been injured and performed as he did the season prior, He would have been a 1st round draft pick! I posted an article about it a while ago, It basically said him and McRath were expected to be first round picks. It was like a year in advance mock draft. It seems nobody wants to give our young guys a chance, I for one hope Haynesworthless doesn't come back here! If he does great, If he doesn't great.

[Southside Tirant]

Here's the article i was talking about...

Bad Predictions Review

"Pierre Garçon Should Have Gone in the First Round: Just after the 2008 draft, ESPN's Todd McShay forecast the first round of the 2009 draft. McShay had Fili Moala as the first choice, Michael Johnson second and Sen'derrick Marks fifth. He also forecast Travis Beckum going 17th in the first round, and Gerald McRath going 21st. Moala, his projected top choice, went in the second round, as did Marks. Beckum and Johnson went in the third round. McRath went in the fourth round."

"Yahoo Sports ran three Super Bowl forecasts: Steelers over Eagles, Titans over Packers and Chargers over Eagles. None of those predictions included the teams that actually made the game, while two of Yahoo's three predicted Super Bowl winners failed to reach the playoffs. Of NFL.com's five predictors, none had the Jets in the playoffs, and two thought the Saints would miss the playoffs. The New York Times forecast a Super Bowl of Patriots over Giants -- the Giants did not make the playoffs -- and also predicted Houston "could" make the postseason. A lot of things "could" happen -- Jennifer Aniston "could" return my calls. Congress "could" place the public interest ahead of giveaways to campaign donors."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...6&sportCat=nfl

[TTP77]

He is is a defensive lineman. He is not being asked to run patterns or read defenses. Marks is expected to shed blocks, fill gaps and make tackles. Not exactly a huge learning curve. He should be a major part of the rotation this year and he should be expected to make plays. He is one of the guys we need to step up and contribute this year because that is why we picked him the 2nd round. It will be interesting watching him.

Oh come on Parddy...lol. He was a first year guy who everyone knew would be a bit of a project. He came on toward the end of the season in any event. Besides, we supposedly have a genius in Washburn. Why didn't he work magic with Marks so he could dominate his first year?

Don't get me wrong I love me some Washburn. but when a guy does extremely well the Wash gets a ton of praise but when a player doesn't meet expectations the player is a bum. maybe the player exceeded expectations because he wasn't expected to contribute his first year?

[Parddy]

A 7'5" basketball center from Albania is a project. A DL drafted in the second round of the NFL draft needs to be a bit more polished than that.

You guys were stating you don't want Big Al back and that is fine. My point was simply here is a guy that makes your stance valid. .

I think we can all agree we are in a youth movement right? Marks is one of our youth guys. Okay, he has now had a full year, it's time to take the diapers off and play some football for the Titans. We are going to need him this year. He was a 2nd round pick we should expect some return for that investment?

[TTP77]

I sure hope our first round draft pick is prepared for fans to expect him to come in and be an instant All Pro from day one....

[Parddy]

You can expect All-Pro, I expect Hall of Fame.

Speaking of the draft, HURRY UP...Now on the clock.... THE TENNESSEE TITANS..

[TTP77]

Ok, i'll go with that. and then he'll think he's underpaid just like CJ.....

[Parddy]

In the words of Patrick Ewing: "We need to make more money, because we tend to spend more."

[Jones31]

For those who want Haynesworth back, what would you give for him?

[TTP77]

Charlotte Observer passes along "buzz" that Skins may offer Haynesworth, LaRon Landry, 4th pick to move to No. 1. http://bit.ly/aFyb0K

[Jones31]

That's insane.

[TitansJonne]

For those who want Haynesworht back, what would you give for him?

3rd this year or 4th this year and a pick next year based on his performance.

[Parddy]

What? They want Bradford that badly?


For Haynesworth? One 3rd and that is it.


How about swapping firsts with Seattle, throw in Lendale White and a 3rd and draft Eric Berry? Wait until after KC picks of course..

[Rolltide14TOMB]

For those who want Haynesworth back, what would you give for him?


2nd next year 4th....but it really depends on what they ask for

untouchables....
1st round pick any year
Chris Johnson
Vince Young (unless it wound up us drafting clausen, bradford, or something nuts)
finnegan
o-line
tony brown
k. britt
Griff

I would probably be open ears at least to other players

[Rolltide14TOMB]

I expect him to be the MVP for 10 straight seasons before retiring and going on to play for the Dodgers and win 5 World Series titles and then retiring to take on Tiger in the PGA
Tiger will be like 44 by then? Tiger will be retired. I on the other hand expect him to be on the scout team for 10 years, play 5 miserable years with the Royals, and then retiring to take on Phil at the 18th at the US Open and making triple to Phil's double and losing by 1

[TTP77]

Wyatt says he thinks the unoffcial deadline to trade Albert is today and before our pick. i just don't see it that way. i think a trade could work out even later than that.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

i can assure you i will value your opinion over wyatts

[TTP77]

lol...thanks?

[Rolltide14TOMB]

yeah i wasnt being a smartass, i was serious. it is stupid to think there is an "Albert deadline"

Plus we have had healthy arguments on here without any childish behavior, so i respect you as a poster!
even if i disagree with you, i always think about what you said because it probably has some validity! :thumbsup

[TTP77]

same here....:)

[titansikou]

Vince Young (unless it wound up us drafting clausen, bradford, or something nuts)


You wouldn't want that (those conditions) as it would mean rebuilding again. Expecting a first year QB draft to come in and play well is proven time and again to be a bad thing to do. We don't want to draft a QB for at least 5 years.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

We don't want to draft a QB for at least 5 years.

well i certaintly hope we dont cause that means VY is cuttin it

[Code Blue]

I would give our second pick in this year's third round and our next year's fourth round for Al.

[TTP77]

hutton1045

Fisher says ''the door is shut'' in regards to acquiring Albert Haynesworth.

[TitansGiantsBears]

Who is hutton1045? Do they have a source?

[Code Blue]

Fisher says a lot of BS all the time.

[ChrisJohnson'sdreads]

"At his press conference after the Titans made the pick, Coach Jeff Fisher said "the door is shut" on any potential deals involving the Titans and Redskins for disgruntled Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth."

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100422/SPORTS01/100422137/2161

[TitansGiantsBears]

Who is hutton1045? Do they have a source?

I figured it out. :)

[gnarl]

"At his press conference after the Titans made the pick, Coach Jeff Fisher said "the door is shut" on any potential deals involving the Titans and Redskins for disgruntled Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth."

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100422/SPORTS01/100422137/2161

well makes perfect sense, im pretty sure Fisher and the rest of the guys got they guy they wanted & feel can make an immediate impact.

[SwissTitansFan]

"At his press conference after the Titans made the pick, Coach Jeff Fisher said "the door is shut" on any potential deals involving the Titans and Redskins for disgruntled Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth."

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100422/SPORTS01/100422137/2161

So much for my prediction today.....(damn I sucked)....

but....with Derrick Morgan...could you guys imagine, what killer D we would have, if we had Big-Al too....????

Well....I'm a bit disappointed...but I'll get over it, as usual...

[Rolltide14TOMB]

this sucks. well with morgan and albert we could cover up problems on the rest of the defense but morgan alone cant get it done...expect minor defensive improvement with no al unless we get some diamonds in the rough later on in the draft. thoroughly disappointed in not getting albert. basically ruined the whole damn thing unless we end up getting arenas or mt. cody

[gnarl]

this sucks. well with morgan and albert we could cover up problems on the rest of the defense but morgan alone cant get it done...expect minor defensive improvement with no al unless we get some diamonds in the rough later on in the draft. thoroughly disappointed in not getting albert. basically ruined the whole damn thing unless we end up getting arenas or mt. cody

wouldn't mind t-code one bit, but i doubt he will be available in the 3rd round.

[TTP77]

Guys, I don't think the Skins were ever all that serious about trading Albert unless they got a primo offer which obviously they didn't.

http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2010/04/22/shanahan-haynesworth-not-on-block/

Synder is stupid and Shanny can be petty but it would be beyond stupid to trade him without getting a very good offer.

[TitansJonne]

I think it's just Fisher speak. We have two 3rds so the smart thing for both sides to do is to wait until later. If there is no one special available for us then we give it to Wash. Same goes for Wash. They hold on to AH and see his value later. The skins are very serious about moving him because they know Al will cause problems. Which is why they are going out and getting guys. I say it may not happen, but there is still a chance.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

There's ALWAYS a chance

[TTP77]

JasonLaCanfora

Plenty of sources still convinced Albert Haynesworth is dealt today, most likely to Titans for a 3rd rd pick. More on NFL Network/NFL.com

[Sect309Fan]

We'll just have to see. I still would be surprised if we get him. I wouldn't hate the trade, but I definitely won't be disappointed if it doesn't happen.

[TTP77]

I have a really hard time believing it too. I will hate the move.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

i will be as happy as i have been since bama won the NC

[Sect309Fan]

Here's my theory. If we do get him, and he plays like he is capable of, then the Titans are a very dangerous team on defense. And if he turns out to be a bum and misses half the season, we at least have the players to replace him, unlike during the 2007 season.

[TTP77]

If he's a bum and misses half the season we gave up a roster spot for nothing. we need the roster spots.....

[deklin]

any chance Seattle want LDW for a third rounder?

[Rolltide14TOMB]

309 best post of the week. thats what i have thought all along and FOR SO CHEAP! i need some links? anybody? besides twitter....thats blocked at work.....needless to say not working much today

[gnarl]

If he's a bum and misses half the season we gave up a roster spot for nothing. we need the roster spots.....

jovan haye & kevin vickerson beg to differ

[Rolltide14TOMB]

so nobody really has any real reading material about this being a possible deal...its just hearsay?

[TTP77]

well they at least play....

here's an article


Here's the latest on the $100 million man in list form because my brain is tired and I need to put on some pants and get over to Radio City Music Hall soon.

1. NFL Network's Jason La Canfora's sources is convinced Haynesworth's trade will happen today. And despite Titans coach Jeff Fisher's protestations, he says the most likely destination is Tennessee for a second round pick.

2. The Saints aren't interested. Both the New Orleans Times-Picayune's Jeff Duncan and Jay Glazer of FOX say they Saints don't want him. He even used capital letters to say so:

"They have ZERO interest in Albert. ZERO!!!"

3. Both Haynesworth and the Redskins want a divorce. That doesn't help leverage, so it behooves both sides to float rumors of interest, even if the interest is mild. When both sides want a divorce, the trade usually happens.

THe NFL dude actually said a third and we don't have a second.

[TTP77]

lol at RollTide chomping at the bit. i was trying :lol

[Aaron3322]

Any way it could be a pick for next years draft?

[Aaron3322]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/23/haynesworth-deal-expected-to-come-down-today/

[Jones31]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[gnarl]

Any way it could be a pick for next years draft?

better not be a first or second, we are w/o our second this year & i am a sad panda because of it.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

I'll believe it when I see it.
me too...and i still might not

[Aaron3322]

better not be a first or second, we are w/o our second this year & i am a sad panda because of it.

LoL yah... no way i want him for a 1st or 2nd. I would definitely be all for it for next years 3rd round pick.

[Jones31]

If we give up a 1st or a 2nd for him, I might just forget about sending the payment in.....

[Rolltide14TOMB]

Haynesworth would be ecstatic about a return to Tennessee, according to league sources, and would be willing to alter his contract to facilitate a deal
attitude change already

now its time to apologize to us albert woods for your transgressions....j/k

[Rolltide14TOMB]

If we give up a 1st or a 2nd for him, I might just forget about sending the payment in.....
i would a 2nd

[Aaron3322]

Would not blame you one bit, Jones.

[Toronto]

If we give up a 1st or a 2nd for him, I might just forget about sending the payment in.....

The way this team treasures draft picks? We wouldn't give up a 4th for Torry Holt last year either.

I doubt this happens, we're not giving up one of our two 3rds and are probably happy to see Al and the Skins discover that money doesn't buy happiness or championships there.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

we're not giving up one of our two 3rds
if thats all it took i believe we would

[ryangm2123]

we cant trade a compensatory pick

[Rolltide14TOMB]

they both arent are they? 77 and 97

[Jones31]

97 Is the Compensatory pick.

33 (97) Titans (Compensatory selection)

[Rolltide14TOMB]

ok so we would trade 77

[PBV]

Wouldn't it be frigging hilarious to get haynesworth back for a third, considering we will still have a 3rd for losing him? Lmao

[Jones31]

ok so we would trade 77

Yes.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

Wouldn't it be frigging hilarious to get haynesworth back for a third, considering we will still have a 3rd for losing him?

lol that is funny....i would laugh at that after i finished celebrating....conspiracy perhaps....Titans steal a third; Big Al cashes in

Perhaps it was in the making all along :evilgrin

[TTP77]

well Fisher and Reinfelt seem to be pretty busy with Derrick right now.

[deklin]

looking good

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/23/haynesworth-deal-expected-to-come-down-friday/

EDIT: oops repost

[gnarl]

lol that is funny....i would laugh at that after i finished celebrating....conspiracy perhaps....Titans steal a third; Big Al cashes in

Perhaps it was in the making all along :evilgrin

its not exactly stealing a third. its the last pick of the third round i believe.

so pretty much the equivelant of having the 1st pick in the 4th.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

its not exactly stealing a third. its the last pick of the third round i believe.

so pretty much the equivelant of having the 1st pick in the 4th.

i was just kidding

[Jones31]

its not exactly stealing a third. its the last pick of the third round i believe.

so pretty much the equivelant of having the 1st pick in the 4th.

Close.... next to last.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

well Fisher and Reinfelt seem to be pretty busy with Derrick right now.


what do you mean?
They arent pulling a Bill Cowher/Kordel Stewart are they?

PS: the irony with the "slash" between the 2

[Jones31]

His press conference.

[deklin]

Adam Schefter on Twitter

Adam_Schefter

Once again, told that Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth is not being traded. #nfldraft

[Rolltide14TOMB]

His press conference
???

[Rolltide14TOMB]

Adam Schefter on Twitter

Adam_Schefter

Once again, told that Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth is not being traded. #nfldraft


:destroy:drunk:faint

[TTP77]

???

http://www.titansonline.com/schedule/draft-live.html

[TTP77]

Titans Radio titansradio

From Titans Radio: Reports Continue On Haynesworth Return. Fisher Fri PM: "That door was never open, I don't have the keys to the door."

[MusicCityMullet]

interesting...saw this (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36740878/ns/sports-player_news/)a bit ago

[Rolltide14TOMB]

hey shanahan owes us for cutler

[Rolltide14TOMB]

The Skins would probably want New Orleans' pick at No. 64 overall, at least. Reid confirms that the "door is still ajar" on a Haynesworth trade, despite the Lions and Titans having dropped out. Washington, which doesn't draft until the fourth round currently, wants to get back into the mix on Friday.

:destroy

[Jones31]

The New Orleans Saints are not showing interest in Washington Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth, reports New Orleans Times-Picayune's Jeff Duncan.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

The New Orleans Saints are not showing interest in Washington Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth, reports New Orleans Times-Picayune's Jeff Duncan.

i sure hope not. that is my worst nightmare.
but al is like all other ex-titans minus mason....and maybe odom....
they are great titans and great titans only

[Jones31]

tnsports Titans General Manager Mike Reinfeldt reiterated Friday his team is not trading for Albert Hayneswoth. "It's a dead issue,'' he said.

So..... back to normal programming for now.

[MusicCityMullet]

"Didn't make sense. Contract, attitude don't fit," tweeted Duncan. FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer was even more emphatic in disputing the original report: "They have ZERO interest in Albert. ZERO!!!" Per NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora, "team and league sources" remain convinced Haynesworth will be dealt before the night is over. A third-round pick from the Titans now seems the likeliest scenario.

woaaah

[Rolltide14TOMB]

So..... back to normal programming for now.

well so much for this damn draft. no excitement heading into the season, until it actually starts and we are able to prove we are better than what we are shaping up to be which is 2nd or 3rd in the division, as opposed to battling for first

[Rolltide14TOMB]

the most important state is made by the GM...was it just made or made this morning or what

[ChrisJohnson'sdreads]

Adam Schefter on Twitter

Adam_Schefter

Once again, told that Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth is not being traded. #nfldraft

Beat me to it was just going to post this. What do you guys think? I would love to see Haynesworth back but I think the words of Schefter are more trustworthy than the words of Jason La Canfora.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

this is shaping up to be grounds for an albert haynesworth Forum alongside the famous VY forum

[Rolltide14TOMB]

more trustworthy than the words of Jason La Canfora.


hate to say it but agree.....when you say "who?" that isnt a good sign

[MusicCityMullet]

i noticed there isn't that famous VY subforum on this board. :~)

its was entertaining...if nothing else

[TTP77]

evansilva

Appearing on NFL Network seconds ago, Mike Shanahan said "No it's not gonna happen. Albert Haynesworth will not be traded."

[Count Telecky]

All of this is just posturing. The Titans would never come out and say "We definitely want this guy". That would give Wash the leverage. Wash could be the ones leaking the New Orleans interest to try to get a better deal. Jeff saying the door is closed could also mean that Titans have thrown out an offer and and if Wash wants to trade they can come knock on the door. Otherwise-no deal.

[TTP77]

Titans General Manager Mike Reinfeldt reiterated on Friday his team is not trading for Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

A report earlier in the day indicated the Titans would trade their third round pick for Haynesworth.

“It’s a dead issue,’’ Reinfeldt said. “It is not happening. From our perspective there is nothing (to the report) at all. I have not talked to the Redskins in a long time.’’

Reinfeldt made his comments to The Tennessean after the team introduced their first round pick – defensive end Derrick Morgan – at a press conference at Baptist Sports Park. On Thursday, Coach Jeff Fisher said the “door is closed” on a potential trade for Haynesworth.

With the defensive ends we have, with the defensive tackles, we have a really nice group,’’ he said. “I ma very happy with the group we have.’’

[ZachLV27]

La Canfora is actually a pretty reliable source. I just think there is so much bad information being leaked by so many different parties right now that it's hard to get a real feel for what is true and what isn't.

That said. Al isn't going anywhere.

[Jimmyd24]

nfl front page says trade likely

[ChrisJohnson'sdreads]

Well as much as I would like to see Albert Haynesworth back in a Titan uniform, this "Yes he will be traded/No he won't be traded" is starting to get old. I know Washington would like some more draft picks so it is just wait and see mode now... Here is to hoping I see something about Albert Haynesworth back to TN on the web soon, if not oh well!

[Rolltide14TOMB]

back to what jones said....believe it when i see it

[SwissTitansFan]

I just heard on 104.5 (4:45 PM CT).....Trade likely too....."3rd round pick and Vickerson" for Big Al......!!!

I'm for it...!!!...Get Al back....!!!

What do you think...???

[TTP77]

I think it was pretty "crappy" of La Canfora to float this BS crap just as Derrick was being introduced to his new fans and the local media.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

BS crap
?

[Titanico]

The things make more sense by the minute. Reindfelt gets rid of Haynesworth because he was asking for a ton of money, and now the rumors are that we could get him back?

This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy...

[barnybyrd]

104.5 said J Hutton thought the Titans would offer a 3rd & either Vickerson or Scaife for Albert

[somenavyguy]

I'd much rather have a rotation on the D line with AL in it than any rookie we could use our one of our 3rd rounds on. Plus we have two 3rd round selections one was for loseing Haynesworth so essentially it's a free pick.

[TTP77]

104.5 said J Hutton thought the Titans would offer a 3rd & either Vickerson or Scaife for Albert

he's been feeding this too.

[Toronto]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/mike-shanahan-albert-haynesworth-will-not-be-traded/
Redskins coach Mike Shanahan was emphatic in an appearance on NFL Network Friday afternoon that he will not trade defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

"No," Shanahan said when asked by Rich Eisen whether there was any possibility he'd trade Haynesworth. "It's not going to happen. There's a lot of rumors, a lot of speculation that's been going on here for the last month. But Albert Haynesworth will not be traded."

So there you have it. Despite a previous report on NFL Network today saying Haynesworth would be traded, Shanahan is adamant that it won't happen.

Which means the only way Haynesworth can be traded now is if Shanahan is lying

[earlers]

I think it was pretty "crappy" of La Canfora to float this BS crap just as Derrick was being introduced to his new fans and the local media.

Big Al is going to make Morgan a lot of money because he'll pile up inflated sacks and get big money. I'm sure he won't be offended after this first contract IF Big Al comes back.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

i have experience in this situation

"i will not be the Alabama coach" - Dolphins head coach Nick Saban

how has that turned out for me?

"Albert haynesworth will not be traded"- redskins coach Mike Shanahan

will i experience the same joy?

[Rolltide14TOMB]

Dream night for me:

Albert for 77th pick and vickerson

97th pick Javier Arenas

Mavericks 103
Spurs 94

[TTP77]

Big Al is going to make Morgan a lot of money because he'll pile up inflated sacks and get big money. I'm sure he won't be offended after this first contract IF Big Al comes back.

I'm sure Derrick doesn't even know. It's still BS because it is not happening.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

dadgum it TT....at least let me dream for a couple hours :)

(but i agree)

[earlers]

I'm sure Derrick doesn't even know. It's still BS because it is not happening.

You are right though...but it seems like he was already annoyed that he dropped to 16. His head is probably all over the place...

[TTP77]

He seemed tired to me. the guys were having a good time. i'm cool with that. i like the pick. think he's a good guy. if he has a chip then good for him. motivate!

[Rolltide14TOMB]

guess this thread is quote "dead"...damnit bud you should have spoke out pre draft