Let the hate begin - Holt signs with Jags

[Toronto]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/20/jaguars-sign-veteran-wr-holt/

3 years 20M.

I'm sorry, but he is not worth that, even though I do admit I would have liked MR to sign him.

Guess we will look to the draft for one.

[MillaKilla8]

Dangit!

[felloffthewagon]

Cest la vie.

[shadowboxin']

Not gonna hate because I started to see this since the original reports. And for that price I don't blame him. He must have really worked them over.

[felloffthewagon]

Not gonna hate because I started to see this since the original reports. And for that price I don't blame him. He must have really worked them over.

They are clearly more desperate for his services than we are.

[TTP77]

Nice deal Jags, LOL!

[Rolltide14TOMB]

3 years 20M.

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[Titanico]

Sign Holt for 20 M????

Those Jags are quite crazy.

[tyrant28]

oh well, he will be missing his head when he meets cortland finnegan! just ask hines ward, he is still looking for his!

[kytitansfan1]

I hear the Jags used some of the money they were going to spend on new tarps to help with the contract.

[OhioTitan]

I honestly really wanted Holt but as people have said, he wasn't worth the money and we aren't about to start overpaying for Free Agents. That is one great thing about Mike's regime at GM. Hopefully he'll keep this up so we don't have another purge again.

[Red Birds]

I'd rather pay one of the incoming rookies (Harvin, Nix, Hayward-Bay) that kind of money rather than paying Holt. I really wanted Holt and think he could have helped us but lets spend that money on a WR going into their prime that is young rather than Holt who is past his prime.

[RallyRedBmore]

I'd rather pay one of the incoming rookies (Harvin, Nix, Hayward-Bay) that kind of money rather than paying Holt. I really wanted Holt and think he could have helped us but lets spend that money on a WR going into their prime that is young rather than Holt who is past his prime.

i wouldnt want to pay either if those three u mentioned. harvin has bust written all over him, hayward bay only has speed (suspect hands and horrible route running) and we see how much those types of recievers work out :(, and nix has good hands, nice route but not a lot of speed... short of crabtree or maclin (maclin is my dream but no way we trade up or he falls to us...damn us winning, lol) there is no other wr in this draft worthy of a 1st rounder..... :cry

[titansikou]

Well, that makes the draft interesting...

[DelawareTitans]

Any idea what Tennessee offered? It seems to be a move based on money, as I don't see the Jags being a whole lot better than last year.

He already has won a SB, so I guess that is not too important to him anymore.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

harvin has bust written all over him
why? he can play wideout, tailback, slot...seems like the veratility we could use...i could see a little santana moss in him IF he got a little stronger

[TitanPop]

$$$ Ka-CHING $$$

[Rolltide14TOMB]

maybe D. Jax is a better comparison

[Titan723]

Any idea what Tennessee offered? It seems to be a move based on money, as I don't see the Jags being a whole lot better than last year.

He already has won a SB, so I guess that is not too important to him anymore.

Probably trading stamps like the grocery stores used to hand out.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

He already has won a SB, so I guess that is not too important to him anymore.


lets not go there...jax still has some talent on their team..they had a bad year last year...be careful what you say cause in this league we arent except from the same possibility...they were pretty darn good the year b4 winning AT PITT in the playoffs and playing undefeated NE pretty good. you never know torry could actually HELP their offense a lot heaven forbid...Garrard has talent, they got Jones-Drew, and some good players on defense such as mathis...with a fresh season and unknowns awaiting one could say that they have as much chance at the division as we do..after all it remains to be seen what the loss of AL will do (marcus stroud anyone) they lost some close games last year before they tanked it....i despise Jax as much as anyone but they could be tough with a fresh start...they got a pass rusher in Harvey last year and IMO they are a few good draft picks from being a damn good team

[chronbrownie012]

I'd rather pay one of the incoming rookies (Harvin, Nix, Hayward-Bay) that kind of money rather than paying Holt. I really wanted Holt and think he could have helped us but lets spend that money on a WR going into their prime that is young rather than Holt who is past his prime.

The problem is there is not guarantee they will go after a 1st or 2nd round top prospect....even when there is a need

[Rolltide14TOMB]

even when there is a need
i would say...luxury not need...we Know we can be 13-3 good with the receivers we have...i would say NEED may be corner or d-line so we can maintain our defense. cause we are gonna have to make up for losing albert...we can draft some awesome receiver but if harper sucks and we struggle stopping the run we aint gonna win the championship...im thinking a Gage, washington, and if one other guy steps up like Hawk we may actually be better here than we think...although i wont cry if we draft a receiver...but im gonna have concerns about how jason jones steps in against the run on a consistent basis...i dont worry about him in passing downs but im slightly worried about our run defense slipping...and if thats the case we will have to leave our corners on islands more often and i dont want harper being exploited...plus we cant really afford to have a 1st pick receiver bust...we seem to have more success drafting defensive players early in the draft except for woolfolk and PAC (he wasnt a bad read on talent just behavior)

[chronbrownie012]

luxury not need...we Know we can be 13-3 good with the receivers we have...

I think if anything last year proved what happens when you finally have offensive playmakers....Our D-line has been consistently good....and we were a middling team the two years prior

When we got CJ you saw the big bump

[Rolltide14TOMB]

agreed...and we still have CJ...but our dline has consitently had haynesworth...you cant just take it for granted...what about those years with Volek and Bennett when we were putting up huge Offense but couldnt stop anybody? the wins resurfaced when the D resurfaced

[Rolltide14TOMB]

if Big Ben was our QB you think our receivers would be better? i do...however if the steelers had kerry who is immobile we would never know how good santanio was...i dont think we will ever win the super bowl until we get a top of the line quarterback...big ben, Eli, peyton, ben, brady, brady...etc you have to go back pretty far to find brad johnson

[chronbrownie012]

I just think that we still have some talent on the d-line....but to rely solely on CJ for offense is suicide if he goes down (like in the playoffs)...If there were a d-line playmaker on the board at that point I would be ok with it....but just like it doesn't make sense to reach for a WR in round 1 as we keep hearing....I think finally we have a year where we would be getting value on offense.....but I'm still not sure if the Titans will go for it....I think with a bit more offense next year....Kerry can spread the ball around...

[pookha]

i think the jags are thin and desparate enough at wr he saw a greater chance to be the primary wr for awhile.
if the jags dont draft a wr early then one wonders if they told him they wouldnt to show their support for his being the primary wr/

of course the big question is can he handle that kind of work load after starting to have knee issues.

he might have better success with the titans but not as much chance to pad his stats.

as for harvin after what was said on 104.5 this morning no way do i want him.
frankly some of it made him sound like another potential problem child.
with the motivational issues and he has a bad news posse that follows him around.

[shadowboxin']

So the real question now is, do the Jags still draft Maclin if he's there at 8?

I don't know what their primary needs are, but I think they'd do it.

[MillaKilla8]

Basically the AFC South is going to run the NFL in my opinion...

[pookha]

So the real question now is, do the Jags still draft Maclin if he's there at 8?

I don't know what their primary needs are, but I think they'd do it.

really they have needs all over the place including the oline and the defense.

[315]

Holt or no Holt.... they are still the little jaggies.

[TitansGiantsBears]

I would love for the Titans to have signed Holt, but I wouldn't have thrown that kind of money at him. As I said on another post, there's a fine line between overpaying and astute fiscal management. $20 to Holt for three years wasn't right for the Titans.

[wari0]

So the real question now is, do the Jags still draft Maclin if he's there at 8?

I don't know what their primary needs are, but I think they'd do it.

ill be sick if they draft Mark Sanchez like some people are predicting.

[TTP77]

I don't see the Jags drafting a QB that high. They already have a lot of money tied up in that position with Garrard and Lemons. I think they could still draft a WR though.

[ryangm2123]

well we get two games to see how smart we were to not sign him, or how dumb we were to not sign him

[Nintova]

This makes sense for them. The Hefty Lefty reportedly showed up to camp at the same weight he played at in High School. They wont draft a QB. They'll likely grab one more FA WR and if Crabtree is there when they pick, they probably trade it and get help where they need it. As was stated , this makes the draft a lot more interesting.

Only 4 mil of that money was guaranteed, I don't think any one in the Jags F.O. believes he lasts 3 years in this hard hitting division at his age. If he goes one good year and they make the playoffs they will be happy. People are trying to save their jobs :D

[Jones31]

What does Gary Coleman have to do with Hags/Holt??????

[chronbrownie012]

I'd rather them draft Sanchez than a receiver or Raji

At least Sanchez will ride the bench and not have an impact

[tyrant28]

i would draft sanchez in the second round. i think that he has what it takes to be a great QB in this league, and i really, really like him, i like his personality, and he has great skills, however, i don't think that he is a first round pick! use the first round pick on harvin! WE HAVE TO ADDRESS RECIEVER, HAVE TO, AND WE NEED TO DO IT QUICK!

[Nintova]

John David Booty ( 3 names ..serial killer in the making? ) started over Sanchez and he went in the 5th round last year ...

/end Sanchez talk

[CodeBlue11]

Does anyone know how much money in holt's contract was guaranteed?

[Jones31]

The 32-year-old Holt agreed to a creative contract that grows financially based on the way he plays. The deal, a source told ESPN.com's John Clayton, calls for three years with base salaries totaling $13 million. While there is no signing bonus, the first year of the contract is guaranteed.


Looks like $4M

[chronbrownie012]

I'd rather them draft Sanchez than a receiver or Raji

At least Sanchez will ride the bench and not have an impact

I don't want Sanchez...i want the jags to take him....waste of a 8th pick in my opinion

[CodeBlue11]

Looks like $4M

Am I the only one who feels like we could have easily matched this offer??

[Titans and Turtles]

Am I the only one who feels like we could have easily matched this offer??

No no!

To spend anything more than $2.95 and a free lunch at Shoney's would be breaking the bank and make us exactly like the Redskins and Cowboys instantly! I think if we tried to match the exorbitant 4mill offer, we'd be legally REQUIRED to sign T.O. and Mike Vick both to long-term contracts.

But it's ok, because anyone who doesn't accept being paid in Peso's or Rubles is obviously way, way overpriced.

[Nintova]

We are not in "save a job" mode. We are building a team that not only wins now but WILL win. When you spend good money after bad getting aging players you are committed to that never ending roller coaster. We would be better with Holt, no doubt, we will win without him though. And, to be fair, we spend the money where it does the team the most good at the time ( look at our STUD O-line for proof.. I'd love to have those pesos mate .. no joke. )

[Rolltide14TOMB]

No no!

To spend anything more than $2.95 and a free lunch at Shoney's would be breaking the bank and make us exactly like the Redskins and Cowboys instantly! I think if we tried to match the exorbitant 4mill offer, we'd be legally REQUIRED to sign T.O. and Mike Vick both to long-term contracts.

But it's ok, because anyone who doesn't accept being paid in Peso's or Rubles is obviously way, way overpriced.


good lord OUR FRONT OFFICE are professionals they understand what to do, what is best for the team, and they DO IT...nobody wants to lose...If they thought that TO would for sure win us a title then he would be here...they DO NOT feel this way so he isnt...

damn and you make it sound like we are the royals or something...four season with at least 12 Wins is great
2008 13-3
2007 10-6
2006 8-8
2005 4-12
2004 5 11


2003 12 4 0 2nd
2002 11 5 0 1st
2001 7 9 0 4th
2000 13 3 0 1st
1999 13 3 0 2nd

[Rolltide14TOMB]

2005 4-12
2004 5 11


happens when we do it your way

[Jones31]

Meh all those wins and nothing to show for it.

[Titans and Turtles]

happens when we do it your way

Wow, you include the cost of doing it "my way", but not what we purchased?
Between 1999-2003:
5 Playoff wins, 2 AFC Championship Games, 1 Superbowl Appearance.

I don't want to turn into a "wheeler and dealer" team. I don't want to make big deals multiple times a year.

Just make a move now. Our window is NOW. Our QB situation is only good for 2 years, we have all kinds of players to resign in the next 2 years, and we'll never keep them all.

We have built the right way, but it's time to put the chips on the table and go for it. Strike while the iron is hot, and it will never be hotter than it is right now.

[Nintova]

How is our window now ? We have one of the youngest teams in the league.

" Last year’s average age at the start of the season was 25.72 years, with the Colts second at 25.74. In 2006, the Packers’ average age was 25.57, just ahead of Tennessee’s 25.77 average. "

[shadowboxin']

I'd be willing to bet that alot of that youth is on the bench. A lot of our key starters (Mawae, Bulluck, Harper, KVB, Thornton, Collins, etc.) are not exactly fresh out of college.

[TTP77]

A significant portion of our D will be FA after this next season. Thornton and KVB are a bit younger than Harper, Kevin and Keith but FA is looming for a lot of players.

[TitansFan370]

My offseason philosophy has and will continue to be "let the Titans front office do what ever they do". Last season I was totally disappointed in the draft and free agency yet we somehow carved out a 13-3 regular season. Unfortunately two of those losses to the Jets and Texans revealed a flaw in our team and system and is cause for concern this season. The season ending loss to Indy did nothing to give me confidence in our team so we could go from being the team with most wins to the team with many, maybe not the most, losses this season. I hope not but it is a brand new season and I have learned to expect the unexpected with this Titan team. While he is a great coach and I want to keep him, it is Fisher's run first and heavy defense scheme that seems to restrict our having successful wide receivers.

[315]

I am tired of old free agent wide outs that cant seem to get on the field.

[don28]

My offseason philosophy has and will continue to be "let the Titans front office do what ever they do". Last season I was totally disappointed in the draft and free agency yet we somehow carved out a 13-3 regular season. Unfortunately two of those losses to the Jets and Texans revealed a flaw in our team and system and is cause for concern this season. The season ending loss to Indy did nothing to give me confidence in our team so we could go from being the team with most wins to the team with many, maybe not the most, losses this season. I hope not but it is a brand new season and I have learned to expect the unexpected with this Titan team. While he is a great coach and I want to keep him, it is Fisher's run first and heavy defense scheme that seems to restrict our having successful wide receivers.

I disagree with the above in bold. The Jets coaching staff outschemed the Titans coaching staff that day, and we may have also seen the last great Brett Favre performance that afternoon as well. The Texans game was a case of poor offensive execution, which every team is going to have at least once a season. The Colts season finale was a glorified exhibition game between 2 teams trying not to get key players injured. It meant nothing more than that to either team.

[hooktool]

i would draft sanchez in the second round. i think that he has what it takes to be a great QB in this league, and i really, really like him, i like his personality, and he has great skills, however, i don't think that he is a first round pick! use the first round pick on harvin! WE HAVE TO ADDRESS RECIEVER, HAVE TO, AND WE NEED TO DO IT QUICK!

I thought your swore off caps-that didn't last long!:lolhit

John