Braylon Edwards - Titans - Boomer Esiason

[Viva La Titans]

Boomer Esiason on "The Fan - NY" just said it looks like Braylon is going to Tennessee of all places? Has anyone heard anything about this as he did not elaborate??

[wari0]

i cant find anything on it yet? that would be interesting. Although he does have some dropsies, teams will have to respect the pass on his side of the field a bit more regardless. All CJ needs is an extra inch of space.

[Jones31]

Didn't he drop most of what he was thrown last year?

[wari0]

Didn't he drop most of what he was thrown last year?

TO has the same issue but, defenses still have to gameplan for him.

[Sect309Fan]

There are really 3 potential receivers out there to trade for. Boldin in the most popular. Chad Johnson is a second one. And the third is Edwards.

In 2007, he had 1289 yards on 80 receptions, with 16 TDs. Last year, he only had 873 yards on 55 receptions, and a meager 3 TDs. But the Browns had one of the worst scoring offenses in history after they lost both starting quarterbacks.

Edwards did have 16 dropped passes last year, most in the NFL, but it wasn't like he had anyone great throwing the ball either. The QB does make a difference, as shown in Tennessee as our receivers were able to hold on to the ball better with Collins than with Young.

I would have no problem picking him Edwards up. In three seasons, he has more yards than everyone outside of Gage and Washington combined. He is still young, but shouldn't be too expensive.

The Giants were really trying hard for him, but they wouldn't give up a player the Browns wanted. That is the only thing that worries me. Is there anyone the Titans would be willing to give up that the Browns would want?

[barnybyrd]

As long as it is someone we won't later regret giving up.

[Toronto]

If it costs more than a 2nd and 4th, I suspect the Titans won't bite. A lot of personnel folks thought Edwards was cancerous last year, and some of those drops were gator-arm drops, the worst kind.

[Jones31]

So he sounds like Drew and has about the average production for a Titans WR. Yep they will probably make a move.

[HALL45ROX]

I believe if the Titans get him it will be the second coming of "flipper", the guy has the most dropped passes last season.

[Titanico]

The QB does make a difference, as shown in Tennessee as our receivers were able to hold on to the ball better with Collins than with Young.




If only Young could throw DECENT passes!! :p:lolhit:lol

[OhioTitan]

I found this quote that I found interesting.

“I would hope you would not operate in a desperation mode or a panic mode, that you had to have this one player,’’ Reinfeldt said. “Consistency is the key and I guess we would always operate that way. I think in the long run that is the safest way to do it, the best way to do it.’’


http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090423/SPORTS01/90423072/1027

Some may complain that we have no sense of urgency, but on the contrary, this is what I've really loved about Reinfeldt's administration. If we don't seem desperate for someone then teams are less likely to attempt or be able to take advantage of us in a trade. By maintaining a cool head we are much less likely to make a bonehead move and give up more than someone is truly worth just so we can say we did something.

If a veteran doesn't come from FA or a trade, I have all the confidence in the world that the position will be addressed in the draft. We have loads of picks and Heimerdinger as well as Collins have both said they want a reciever. Mike and Jeff have final say but I'm sure those opinions hold some weight.

No matter who we pick or what we do, all I care about is that it helps the team, after that I don't care if it is what I'd do or not.

[Titanico]

Talking about Edwards...doesn't he have attitude issues? I don't know why but for me he is T.O's V.2 ....

Yes, in less scale...but still.

[OhioTitan]

I agree Titanico, I have never been a fan of Braylon's attitude, now maybe I am biased because he went to Michigan, but he seems to be a mini diva that would have probably been worse had he gone somewhere other than Cleveland (where many Michigan fans reside).

Also, to piggy back with my last post, does anyone remember what happened when the Vikings just HAD to have Herschel Walker?

They overpaid like crazy and singlehandedly created the Cowboys' dynasty of the 90's. What I am saying is when dealing with overpaying through trade, you can not only hurt yourself beyond measure, but you can also benefit your competition.

[Sect309Fan]

The guy is a Pro Bowl receiver, something the Titans haven't had since Mason left.

If you can have a terrible year and still get 873 yards with a 15.9 ypc average, you can't be that bad.

I hope we get him.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

bring him on....for some reason he is one of my favorite choices..i just think he has SO much potential

[OhioTitan]

Well Sect309, I think you have convinced me.... as long as the price is right. I think with the leadership on this team, and personality like his could be kept in check, especially with the fact that his position is so undervalued on this team that if he decided to cry I don't think it'd make as much as a splash. As you said, his bad year is still as good as one of our better years. My biggest concern is making too much of a compensation for him because we just HAVE to get a WR. Nate Washington should already be helpful, and if we can get Kenny Britt or Harvin or ever Robiskie in the second, I think our WR corps will be just fine.

[GoPats]

I hope the Titans get him too. I think last year will prove to be an anomaly as it relates to the drops. That's a correct-able problem. Everyone was so high on this kid in '07, and last year the Browns were just awful on the whole. He's got huge playmaker potential, and would be the best raw talent at that position for the Titans in years.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

tommorrow is gonna be SO EXCITING

[Titanico]

The guy is a Pro Bowl receiver, something the Titans haven't had since Mason left.

If you can have a terrible year and still get 873 yards with a 15.9 ypc average, you can't be that bad.

I hope we get him.

The next question has to be: Is Fisher and Dinger ready to design better passing plays? the type of passing plays that could give our receivers a better chance to open-up down field?

I think that we have that potencial with Gage, Hawkins (still to be seen, since he wasn't proved enough, but the guy is fast).

the point is...we need to give our receivers more game in deeper zones or give them more plays designed to make them shine in a better way.

[wari0]

The QB does make a difference, as shown in Tennessee as our receivers were able to hold on to the ball better with Collins than with Young.

Im not arguing with you necessarily and I definately dont want to turn this into another one of those threads but, why is it that I remember alot more drops when VY was throwing but, he had a 62% completion percentage while Kerry had a 58% completion percentage. Again not arguing just trying to resolve my own confusion about it? (EDITED TO ADD.. PLEASE DONT MAKE THIS ABOUT VY VS. COLLINS ONLY ABOUT DROPS)

[Titanico]

I hope the Titans get him too. I think last year will prove to be an anomaly as it relates to the drops. That's a correct-able problem. Everyone was so high on this kid in '07, and last year the Browns were just awful on the whole. He's got huge playmaker potential, and would be the best raw talent at that position for the Titans in years.

If we bring a well-known WR, that will bring a higher potential to our passing offense. Still, my question is hanging in the plays designed, routes, yards earned on those plays.

The passing plays designed so far, give our WR's a short room to work with when they get the ball. I call them "forced advances".

[OhioTitan]

I don't think that last year was an anomaly.....

"I understand completely that timing, balance & coordination can be thrown off by a foot injury, but let's not kid ourselves here. If you go back, drops have been an issue for Braylon Edwards dating back to his days at Michigan. Coming into the draft, scouts had concerns about his drops, especially noting that some of his drops were on easier catches & that it could be indicative of a concentration issue on his part."

http://nflblogs.profootballweekly.com/AroundtheNFL/2009/03/braylons_dad_edwards_not_sure.html

[Titanico]

[QUOTE=Sect309Fan;8159]The QB does make a difference, as shown in Tennessee as our receivers were able to hold on to the ball better with Collins than with Young.[QUOTE]

Im not arguing with you necessarily and I definately dont want to turn this into another one of those threads but, why is it that I remember alot more drops when VY was throwing but, he had a 62% completion percentage while Kerry had a 58% completion percentage. Again not arguing just trying to resolve my own confusion about it?

The big difference that Collins made, was that he completed more passes when it counted more, and Young simply crumbled over the pressure or he seemed not to know what exactly to do at many drives.

[Sect309Fan]

The next question has to be: Is Fisher and Dinger ready to design better passing plays? the type of passing plays that could give our receivers a better chance to open-up down field?

I thought our passing plays were pretty well designed last year. The Titans had a lot of one-on-one deep coverage, and Collins liked to throw the deep ball (which is one reason his completion percentage wasn't that great). It just seemed that the ball was just out of reach, where a faster receiver would have caught it.

Collins loves to throw to the wide receivers, and the better they are, the better he will be.

[GoPats]

People always talk about TO's drops, but... personality aside... would you take two drops per game if the same player also has five catches for 92 yards and two TDs?

Edwards, IMO, has the potential to do more than TO. And of course you'd have to modify some plays if you wanted to exploit his speed and talents. That goes without saying for tons of guys in the league.

It's funny how fickle NFL fans are. If this had come up a year ago, you'd all be drooling, LOL! :D

[Nintova]

From INsider for those friends who don't have access.

Grade: 93 | This puts him as the #3 highest rated WR in the NFL
Alert: None

Comment: Edwards realized his vast potential in 2007 and emerged as a superstar wide receiver. He is now a true difference maker. Edwards has excellent size, isn't particularly quick and has just average deep speed. He is a very good deep threat who uses his body and exceptional ball skills very well deep downfield. He tracks the ball especially well. Edwards has always dropped too many easy catches and probably always will, but he also makes up for it by hauling in the highlight reel grabs. He is big, physical with long arms, big hands and good overall muscle definition. Edwards is able to simply out muscle and overpower some of the smaller corner backs he faces. He is very difficult to jam or reroute at the line of scrimmage. He is a big wide out, who plays very big. Edwards has exceptional leaping ability while being very fluid and athletic in all of his movements. His route running has developed very well, but takes some time to build speed. As elite wide outs go, he doesn't burst out of his breaks, like some smaller receivers. But, he is an excellent slant and fade route-runner though. He does not shy away from contact and will battle bigger defenders as a blocker to help spring long runs. Edwards still tends to drift on his routes some, but overall is an above-average route-runner. He is also physical with the ball in his hands and offers some big-play ability after the catch. Early in his career, Edwards showed serious signs of immaturity, but those concerns seemed to have waned. and he is a well-spoken intelligent young man. He is now amongst the elite at the position and is a touchdown machine.

Ok, maybe after reading this, I just convinced myself. Wow.

[BJShan]

Im not arguing with you necessarily and I definately dont want to turn this into another one of those threads but, why is it that I remember alot more drops when VY was throwing but, he had a 62% completion percentage while Kerry had a 58% completion percentage. Again not arguing just trying to resolve my own confusion about it? (EDITED TO ADD.. PLEASE DONT MAKE THIS ABOUT VY VS. COLLINS ONLY ABOUT DROPS)

I think the biggest part of that is that Young would often try to force throws (hence the high number of interceptions) where as Collins was constantly throwing the ball away if it even slightly looked off. Lower completion percentage but far fewer interceptions.

[wari0]

I think the biggest part of that is that Young would often try to force throws (hence the high number of interceptions) where as Collins was constantly throwing the ball away if it even slightly looked off. Lower completion percentage but far fewer interceptions.

this i can see... alot of other stats like avg yards were very similar. It just seemed odd that he had more drops but a higher completion %

PTI - now back to Braylon. Getting him would mean CHAAAMPIONSHIP!!!

[DelawareTitans]

I wouldn't mind having Edwards. He is a good young receiver, albeit still developing his game.

I'm guessing he probably wouldn't cost as much as Boldin, trade-wise and $$$ wise either.

[HALL45ROX]

All I am sayin' is "Hands on a WR are the most important thing" we had Calico (nobody wanted him to get better than I did, MTSU alum) and McCarrens(sp) and the Titans staff couldn't teach them hands. So if it is "coachable" it isn't by the Titans coaches.

[Yvette]

would you take two drops per game if the same player also has five catches for 92 yards and two TDs?
If we win the game, yes :D

... and the Titans staff couldn't teach them hands.
But they did teach them how to catch bricks :laugh

[TTP77]

Call me skeptical but I'm not getting my hopes up until I see this being reported somewhere and it's not. And I've been anxiously looking for it to be, lol.

[Nintova]

While that is true Hall, Calico and JMac were never considered anywhere NEAR elite talent. They were average players with questionable hands. Edwards has always had the drops , but for some reason, like TO, he also makes spectacular plays and remains a viable threat defenses must account for. I'm pretty certain no defensive coordinator ever went into a game against us and thought, how am I going to keep JMac/Calico from beating me.

[HALL45ROX]

While that is true Hall, Calico and JMac were never considered anywhere NEAR elite talent. They were average players with questionable hands. Edwards has always had the drops , but for some reason, like TO, he also makes spectacular plays and remains a viable threat defenses must account for. I'm pretty certain no defensive coordinator ever went into a game against us and thought, how am I going to keep JMac/Calico from beating me.

I see your point (although Calico's stock in the draft was very high, to the point that many "experts" thought he would be a first rounder), still not sold. Plus after "saying monkeys might fly out my butt", I am afraid it might happen if the Titans trade for a WR.

[PBV]

From reading the Browns board, the trade with the Giants is stalled over demands for their 29th overall pick, and a player. I think we should give them our 30th and our tradable 4th round pick. We get a great young WR who is ready for week 1, which is crucial since our team is built to win now. We also would still have our 2nd, 3rd, a 4th comp, a 5th comp, 2 6th round picks, and 2 7th round picks.

[Titanico]

From reading the Browns board, the trade with the Giants is stalled over demands for their 29th overall pick, and a player. I think we should give them our 30th and our tradable 4th round pick. We get a great young WR who is ready for week 1, which is crucial since our team is built to win now. We also would still have our 2nd, 3rd, a 4th comp, a 5th comp, 2 6th round picks, and 2 7th round picks.

Makes sense.

[GoPats]

If we win the game, yes :D

Are you the Senator from Massachusetts that ran in '04? :D

[GoPats]

I heard the Browns wanted Kiwanuka, a first rounder, and a later round pick. Which, IMO, would be way, way too much to pay...

[Nintova]

The Browns are more likely to get a logo on that helmet before they get that deal done with the Giants.

[Titans and Turtles]

Do I dare myself to hope? Do I allow a small glimmer of possiblity?

Despite those of you less than impressed by Edwards, I would jump for joy if we could have a reciever that Caliber on the team. No WR this team has had in the entire time it's been in TN is of Edward's caliber. Mason might have had better hands, but Edwards is a playmaker, a serious, serious playmaker. And he's the sort of #1 WR that draws enough attention to allow Nate Washington to sneak behind the coverage and do his thing down the sideline.

If we actually got Edwards, this offense suddenly becomes a force to be reckoned with. From your lips to Reinfeldt's ears, Boomer.

[PBV]

Great article on the Browns' situation (needs and demands)
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1240561969327580.xml&coll=2


....Browns originally asked for outside linebacker Matthias Kiwanuka. Giants said no way.

Giants offered second- and fifth-round picks plus a choice of receivers Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham. Browns countered by asking for the picks and receiver Steve Smith. Giants said no.

Browns asked for first- and third-round picks. Giants said no.....

....Because of their myriad needs, the Browns will be handicapped to do much this weekend unless they improve on their current allotment of five draft picks. So pulling off some trades to stockpile picks is a priority.

While much of the pre-draft attention has been focused on making upgrades at pass rusher, receiver, running back and safety, the Browns coaches are said to be fixed on adding a center. They want to replace Hank Fraley with a center more powerful at the point of attack.

The best centers in this draft -- Alex Mack of California, Eric Wood of Louisville and Max Unger of Oregon -- are expected to fall like dominoes toward the bottom of the first round or top of the second round.

The Browns have visited with Wood.

They also have worked out the next-best center, Antoine Caldwell of Alabama, who is projected for the third round.

The Browns don't have a selection in the third round.....

Looking at our roster, there aren't any obvious players for us to trade. All our players are either crucial starters, in final year or two of contract, or unproven longterm, or just not good at all. But we do have picks that we need to ditch because we have so few holes for the 2009 roster.

God I hope this happens. The chances of drafting a better WR than Edwards is near nil.

[TTP77]

Looking at our roster, there aren't any obvious players for us to trade. All our players are either crucial starters, in final year or two of contract, or unproven longterm, or just not good at all. But we do have picks that we need to ditch because we have so few holes for the 2009 roster.

I was thinking the same thing. We have no tradeable players I would part with and more picks than we can really use. It makes sense for us to trade away picks and he's the most obvious choice, IMO.

[Sect309Fan]

I was thinking the same thing. We have no tradeable players I would part with and more picks than we can really use. It makes sense for us to trade away picks and he's the most obvious choice, IMO.

The only player that I think the Titans would be willing to trade that has some value is Lendale. We could trade Hawkins as well, if the Browns need a potential receiver.

But I wouldn't touch our defense. We can't afford to lose any of our starters.

[TTP77]

Lendale is in his contract year so that would be a negative as far as trade. The Browns didn't want the Giants unproven WR's so I don't think Hawk would be in play. I was thinking our young Dlinemen would have trade value but I don't want to lose any of them.

[PBV]

Lendale is in his contract year so that would be a negative as far as trade. The Browns didn't want the Giants unproven WR's so I don't think Hawk would be in play. I was thinking our young Dlinemen would have trade value but I don't want to lose any of them.

4-3 vs 3-4 players too, so if we traded a defensive player it would likely be in the secondary. I don't like that option either.

Maybe they would be interested in Jacob Ford.

[TTP77]

Yea, I wondered if Ford or Hayes could fit into a 3-4. I think Hayes could. He played OLB in college if I'm not mistaken.

[Nintova]

The same could be said of Edwards. He, too, is in a contract year. The Browns are asking for the moon because in all likelihood Braylon, if he remains a Brownie, will have a Pro Bowl year so he can enter the FA market in prime position to make some cheddar. He'll be gone then for sure as the Browns are cheaper than we are :)
The LenDale angle is interesting in that, he is a lot like Jamal Lewis. Maybe that would be something that the Browns would look in to.

[PBV]

The same could be said of Edwards. He, too, is in a contract year. The Browns are asking for the moon because in all likelihood Braylon, if he remains a Brownie, will have a Pro Bowl year so he can enter the FA market in prime position to make some cheddar. He'll be gone then for sure as the Browns are cheaper than we are :)
The LenDale angle is interesting in that, he is a lot like Jamal Lewis. Maybe that would be something that the Browns would look in to.

Trading LenDale would make me very happy. I don't hate him, but Edwards is a playmaker, and this is LenDale's last season here anyways, and our FO already has him penciled in for a reserve role this season.

[TTP77]

I didn't say it made it impossible but I do think it's a negative to offer a player in a contract year. It certainly makes it more complicated.

[TitansGiantsBears]

I agree Titanico, I have never been a fan of Braylon's attitude, now maybe I am biased because he went to Michigan, but he seems to be a mini diva that would have probably been worse had he gone somewhere other than Cleveland (where many Michigan fans reside).

Also, to piggy back with my last post, does anyone remember what happened when the Vikings just HAD to have Herschel Walker?

They overpaid like crazy and singlehandedly created the Cowboys' dynasty of the 90's. What I am saying is when dealing with overpaying through trade, you can not only hurt yourself beyond measure, but you can also benefit your competition.

Where the Vikings/Walker scenario falls apart is that the Vikings sold the farm to bring in a player so their idiot coaching staff could use him as a decoy. His last season in Dallas, Walker touched the ball on rushes 361 times. In Minnesota he touched the ball 161, 184, and 198 times. Those last two seasons he averaged the exact same yards per carry he did his last year in Dallas when he led the NFC in rushing. He was often lined up as an H-back or TE and even split at receiver some times. To me it was a case of a coach (Jerry Burns) who wanted a player then didn't know what to do with him. Kinda like the Titans with WR's. :lol

[felloffthewagon]

please god no, not Edwards.

[Titansfan777]

Mmm I'll take a side of Edwards plz

[NYTitan21]

Mmm I'll take a side of Edwards plz

this.

gotta love a michigan guy :thumbsup

[NiagaraTitan]

The whole Cleveland Browns team was terrible last year.

Braylon is still very young and he has produced, there's no denying that.

[MillaKilla8]

Edwards drops a lot of balls.

[Titansfan777]

Yes but when the ball is in his hands he's money. And you should look at the browns qb situation last year too

[don28]

Edwards drops a lot of balls.


Yes but when the ball is in his hands he's money.


Don't these two points contradict each other? How could he be money with the ball in his hands if he drops a lot of them? Could I be a comedian if I wasn't funny in front of other people? Could I be a carpenter if I wasn't good working with wood? Could I be a lifeguard if I couldn't swim?

[Yvette]

Should I go back to the answer a question thread? :laugh

[Titansfan777]

Don't these two points contradict each other? How could he be money with the ball in his hands if he drops a lot of them? Could I be a comedian if I wasn't funny in front of other people? Could I be a carpenter if I wasn't good working with wood? Could I be a lifeguard if I couldn't swim?

Alright let me sum up what I mean...he is t.o. Jr. He will drop some easy ones rarely, but when he catches it, he turns into a a force of nature. To led the league in drops a few times, but how many teams would kill to have him in his prime?

[Toronto]

Alright let me sum up what I mean...he is t.o. Jr. He will drop some easy ones rarely, but when he catches it, he turns into a a force of nature. To led the league in drops a few times, but how many teams would kill to have him in his prime?

Not that many it appears. Did you not notice the lower price on Winslow? Brown players are not in demand right now, and Edwards had a rep. that makes it very difficult for anyone to throw the Browns a first rounder...

And I loved him at Michigan too. He's just too damn inconsistent, and gives up on way too many routes/plays. Terrible run blocker too BTW.

[BoroTitan]

wow, that would be awesome

[pookha]

Didn't he drop most of what he was thrown last year?

yes,,
really he has had only one mostly decent season when he wasnt dropping balls right and left..

i hope the heck he dosnt come anywhere near here.

"According to Football Outsiders, Edwards finished 77th among 79 receivers who had 50+ passes thrown their way. His "catch rate" was 40%.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr "

[TTP77]

That's lower than J'Mac's....:lol