"Vince will eventually be our starting QB" - Fisher

[Sect309Fan]

http://titansradio.com//article.asp?id=1298657&SPID=29108

And the question about whether Vince will ever become the Titans starter again – Fisher said yes.

''He’s doing everything he can to compete and earn his job back,'' Fisher said. ''As I’ve said time and time again, Vince will be eventually be our starting quarterback.''

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Fisher has not backed down on his statement. He said it at the end of the 2008 season, and he is saying it today. It does sound like Vince is making a lot of progress, though he still has a lot to prove.

[Titans and Turtles]

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[Zephyr]

:finger :facepalm

[Aaron3322]

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your face palming because Fisher believes Vince will come back and will be able to run this offense offectively?

We should be excited about this and be grateful one of our 1st round draft picks that weve invested on is proving himself to our head coach and is doing everything he can (according to Fisher) to earn that starting spot back.

[shadowboxin']

It's a start.

[RohitTheNair]

Im with Fisher...

And im 100% behind Vince.

[BoroTitan]

yeah im with what the coach states.

Let vince progress.

[Titans and Turtles]

your face palming because Fisher believes Vince will come back and will be able to run this offense offectively?

We should be excited about this and be grateful one of our 1st round draft picks that weve invested on is proving himself to our head coach and is doing everything he can (according to Fisher) to earn that starting spot back.

I'm facepalming because I truly believe it's a pointless exercize that will only set this team back further. VY will never run a fisherball offense well. I believe Fisherball can be run well, just not by Vince. I believe VY can run an offense well, just not Fisherball.

I see a bad moon a-rising. I see.. trouble on the way.

It just doesn't work. Vince will never be a good stapled-into-the-pocket kind of QB, and Fish will never allow Vince to run a VY style shotgun spread offense.

In the entire time we had Vince as the starter, the more "Fisherball" he tried to be, the worse he played and the crazier in the head he became.

I facepalm because simply cutting or trading VY will be the only way this franchise and that player can move on. Both sides are held in prison until then.

[shadowboxin']

The "entire time" was a mere two seasons, and he only sucked in one of those. He sucked nonetheless, but they call it sophomore slump for a reason. I'm not willing to write him off until I see how he's used his time sitting and watching Kerry and developing under Dinger last season and this offseason.

[Titans and Turtles]

The "entire time" was a mere two seasons, and he only sucked in one of those. He sucked nonetheless, but they call it sophomore slump for a reason. I'm not willing to write him off until I see how he's used his time sitting and watching Kerry and developing under Dinger last season and this offseason.

Last off-season, Fish and Dinger couldn't wait to tell us every time they stepped behind a mic how great Vince looked, how much progress he's made, how ready to lead the team he was. I watched him live in practice, I saw the pre-season games, and I watched the opener he started last year. He looked no better, showed no signs of making any progress in any of it. He was inaccurate and making the wrond decisions in practice, in the pre-season games, and in the opener. I didn't even see "flashes" of improvement.

At some point it's time to stop riding our low-rider through the monster truck course and admit we picked the wrong vehicle for our game-plan in 2006. Collins is a serviceable rental, but we really need to stop thinking of Vince as our QB of the future, because his time with us has passed.

[shadowboxin']

We'll they're not going to cut loose such a big investment until they determine one last time whether it's worth going through with it or not. And there isn't going to be any change at the QB position between now and the next draft (when either KC or VY will be gone) so we might as well work with what we got.

Personally I don't put too much stock into coachspeak as it is.

[ZachLV27]

This topic has never been discussed before. I'm intrigued to see what comes of it.

[Titans and Turtles]

Personally I don't put too much stock into coachspeak as it is.

Here, we are 100% agreed.

[don28]

This topic has never been discussed before. I'm intrigued to see what comes of it.

:lmao

I will judge Vince Young strictly on the eyeball test. What I see him do in game situations will let me make a decision on where he's at. I agree with Titans and Turtles that "seeing is believing."

[Hookem Horns]

And the question about whether Vince will ever become the Titans starter again – Fisher said yes.



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[Fairweather Fan]

Who else is going to run the offense? Kerry Collins is done after this season. No rookie is going to come in and start. Is there a legitimate free agent out there?

Vince is QB in 2010! I don't think there is another option!

[Hookem Horns]

Vince is QB in 2010! I don't think there is another option!

Gawd I hope not. If so I think I am going to have to move from Austin.

[Fairweather Fan]

Gawd I hope not. If so I think I am going to have to move from Austin.

Who else is there? Collins wont be back! Reality check? Questions were answered in the draft!

[Hookem Horns]

Who else is there? Collins wont be back! Reality check? Questions were answered in the draft!

I'm sure you guys can drag someone up that would be willing to go in and play without quitting on you. Hopefully someone who lives in reality and has fans from his college days that do the same.

BTW, Colt is coming out next season. I am sure if Bud has his way he will do all he can to draft Colt in his continuous attempt to bring back more fans from our state.

[TitansFan23]

Meh, posturing on Fisher's part if you ask me.

It's way to early in the game to tell what's going to happen with VY.

First, they signed Collins to a two year contract, not one, and unless Kerry just goes in the tank this year, or decides he doesn't want to play next year, I'd be curious to see how Fisher's plan of VY playing again is achieved.

After this year, Young's contract goes up significantly: $14.21 million (2010), $15.21 million (2011).

Anyone really believe he'll see those numbers?

Not me, so, if Fisher does want VY to be the starter eventually, that will have to be addressed.

Personally, I don't see it.

VY will have to restructure, Collins will have to be out of the picture and VY will have to prove a lot in order for him to take the reigns again.

I've learned over the years that what Fisher says is not always what he does.

[titansikou]

I don't share Titans and Turtles' skepticism about Vince, but I do agree that we should put absolutely no investment into what Fisher says about players. Seriously, what do you (royal you, not OP) think he would say, "no"?! This is a question to ask a year from now.

[TitansGiantsBears]

I just don't see it happening.


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[pookha]

i can understand why fisher would say that considering how ultra fragile vince's ego is/

[Big Time]

LOL @ the smokescreen. :D

I believe the Fish and trust him, but he's also like a politician sometimes because he has to be.

[TTP77]

We'll see. I agree with TGB though. I don't see it happening either.

[bucket]

Let's say that Vince does start next year. We all know that he'll cost us a ton more $$ than he's getting this year. Now the W-L record...I think that we'll be real lucky to finish .500. What'll happen then?

[315]

I think it happens... I have said before, I would be willing to sacrifice a game or 2 just to give Vince a sink or swim situation. Lets settle this crap and get it over with.

[TTP77]

We'll see a good dose of VY in the pre-season. I'm not willing to sacrifice a potential SB season just to see if VY has his crap together. Especially given that a significant portion of our D are scheduled to be FA's after the 2009 season.

[felloffthewagon]

Sigh.


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[Rolltide14TOMB]

Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow.....

[Rolltide14TOMB]

I don't think there is another option!

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[Sect309Fan]

Let's say that Vince does start next year. We all know that he'll cost us a ton more $$ than he's getting this year. Now the W-L record...I think that we'll be real lucky to finish .500. What'll happen then?

If he does start in 2010, it means the Titans have confidence enough in him to be a winning NFL QB. Otherwise they will cut him in the offseason.

My interpretation with Fisher's comments is that he does believe that Vince can be a pretty good NFL QB, if he works on it. So it is part motivation but also part validation.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

My interpretation with Fisher's comments is that he is just saying that so vince wont completely fall of his rocker and "continue" to work hard and not quit

Fixed... :lolhit

[Orca]

Kind of reminds Orca of "Read my lips: No new taxes."

:lol

[chronbrownie012]

I'm facepalming because I truly believe it's a pointless exercize that will only set this team back further. VY will never run a fisherball offense well. I believe Fisherball can be run well, just not by Vince. I believe VY can run an offense well, just not Fisherball.

I see a bad moon a-rising. I see.. trouble on the way.

It just doesn't work. Vince will never be a good stapled-into-the-pocket kind of QB, and Fish will never allow Vince to run a VY style shotgun spread offense.

In the entire time we had Vince as the starter, the more "Fisherball" he tried to be, the worse he played and the crazier in the head he became.


Hmm....I remember similar talk about Steve McNair

only McNair had the benefit of sitting behind Chris Chandler for 2 1/2 years

Raw-talent wise it is no contest between Kerry and Vince. It's Kerry's understanding of the offense that has him starting

We are going to have Vince this year because of cap implications (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-9-44/Vince-Young-s-cap-implications.html)

If it is just posturing then you will get your wish soon enough..but I hope for our sake and VY's that Fisher is telling the truth

[Sect309Fan]

Fixed...

If the Titans don't think he can be the starter again, then why go through all of this? Why would they even care about his ego in that situation?

The only thing that makes sense is that the Titans still have hope that Vince can be an effective starter in the NFL. It doesn't mean he is guarenteed a spot, but it does mean the team hasn't given up on him.

[hooktool]

Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow.....

So throw out one rushing QB and sell the farm to get another one? (tough as he may be):huh

John

[Jones31]

Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow.....

:crazy

[Mike McFan]

Meh, posturing on Fisher's part if you ask me.

It's way to early in the game to tell what's going to happen with VY.

First, they signed Collins to a two year contract, not one, and unless Kerry just goes in the tank this year, or decides he doesn't want to play next year, I'd be curious to see how Fisher's plan of VY playing again is achieved.

After this year, Young's contract goes up significantly: $14.21 million (2010), $15.21 million (2011).

Anyone really believe he'll see those numbers?

Not me, so, if Fisher does want VY to be the starter eventually, that will have to be addressed.

Personally, I don't see it.

VY will have to restructure, Collins will have to be out of the picture and VY will have to prove a lot in order for him to take the reigns again.

I've learned over the years that what Fisher says is not always what he does.

Beautiful and saved me a lot of time.
Coach talk is all it is.
WHAT ELSE COULD HE SAY ?:huh

[Sect309Fan]

Beautiful and saved me a lot of time.
Coach talk is all it is.
WHAT ELSE COULD HE SAY ?:huh

He could say that he doesn't know if Vince will be a starter again. He could say that it all depends on how well Vince does and how well Collins and Ramsey do.

Instead, he is saying "Vince will be our starting QB". He is saying it multiple times. It is one thing to make it a passing comment. It is another to emphasize it.

[Sect309Fan]

After this year, Young's contract goes up significantly: $14.21 million (2010), $15.21 million (2011)..

By the way, those are the cap hit numbers, not his salary.

His salary is about half that, though he has about $4 million in roster bonuses in both years. He probably would have to renegotiate those bonuses to be the starter in 2010.

[t1tan5]

This is Fisher-spin, but whatever. If VY works hard and earns the job back, I see no problem with it.

[Titans and Turtles]

He could say that he doesn't know if Vince will be a starter again. He could say that it all depends on how well Vince does and how well Collins and Ramsey do.

Instead, he is saying "Vince will be our starting QB". He is saying it multiple times. It is one thing to make it a passing comment. It is another to emphasize it.

Methinks you drink too deeply of the two-tone kool-aid, my friend. It's the only thing he can say. To say anything less than VY is looked at as the future starter for this franchise is to invite further scrutiny on VY as a bust and bring about further mental issues with number 10.

If Fisher wishes to truly leave the door open, he must talk like this. To admit that no one knows if Vince will ever start again, he would be limiting the possiblities more than he does by stating the positive that VY *will* start again.

[TTP77]

I don't know why Fisher said what he did. Maybe he's trying to gauge public opinion. Maybe he's telling the truth. Or maybe he's playing the role of the guy who's dating the girl who's not the one but he's going to say and do the right things until he can get a better one. It's all speculation at this point. Unless VY is willing to restructure his contract he won't be a Titan after this next season.

[Hookem Horns]

Hmm....I remember similar talk about Steve McNair

only McNair had the benefit of sitting behind Chris Chandler for 2 1/2 years

Raw-talent wise it is no contest between Kerry and Vince. It's Kerry's understanding of the offense that has him starting

We are going to have Vince this year because of cap implications (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-9-44/Vince-Young-s-cap-implications.html)

If it is just posturing then you will get your wish soon enough..but I hope for our sake and VY's that Fisher is telling the truth

I don't think you can compare Steve McNair to Vince Young. McNair was always a pocket passer, even in college. IIRC he held quite a few NCAA passing records when he came out of college. McNair's main weapon was his arm not his legs. That is not the case with VY. As a Longhorn fan (living in Austin) I obviously watched every game VY was in. I can tell you that VY pulled games out of is a** using his legs. His running abilities is what made him so great here in Austin. The threat of him running also helped his air game because teams had to defend the running threat opening up more places for him to throw (which helped him tremendously because he wasn't the most accurate passer). If you take VY's legs away he is not even an average QB. I don't think someone even with the strongest pair of burnt orange glasses would deny that.

Before the NC game vs USC no one was even talking about him being in the NFL. I never thought he would be an NFL prospect until after that game. Even then I didn't think much of it until I admittedly started buying into all the hype here in Austin. However in the back of my mind I knew better. Honestly I wanted the Texans to draft him because it would have instantly made them more popular than the Cowboys because of his cult status. However in the back of my mind I had serious doubts he would actually pan out in the NFL because it's almost impossible to play the way he did in college and stay healthy in the NFL. Also, unless he greatly improved his passing game NFL teams would adjust and shut down his run threat. I think we have seen that happen.

[chronbrownie012]

While its true that McNair was a more prolific passer in college, the early criticisms of McNair's professional career were similar.
-He makes to many mistakes
-Not an accurate enough passer
-Uses his legs too much
During McNair's early professional career he was far from a pocket passer. Even when his numbers picked up...much of his success was buying time in the backfield before making the throws

[barnybyrd]

http://titansradio.com//article.asp?id=1298657&SPID=29108

And the question about whether Vince will ever become the Titans starter again – Fisher said yes.

What else is he suppose to say? That his #3 pick in the draft can't pour water out of a boot.

He has to defend him until Vince either proves he can or he can't.

[ZachLV27]

If the Titans don't think he can be the starter again, then why go through all of this? Why would they even care about his ego in that situation?

The only thing that makes sense is that the Titans still have hope that Vince can be an effective starter in the NFL. It doesn't mean he is guarenteed a spot, but it does mean the team hasn't given up on him.

Why go through all this? Lets say Collins gets injured in week 1. Our new starting QB by default is Vince Young. Now would you rather have a confident Vince Young in there or a Vince Young that is under the belief that his own team thinks he's not good enough to be out there?

Is it possible that Fisher is speaking the truth? Is it possible that Fisher is doing what I said above? The answer to both of those questions is yes. It's been yes the previous 10 times Fisher was asked this question. It was yes the previous 50 times we've discussed this topic.

[Yvette]

Why would they even care about his ego in that situation?
The guy was suicidal and Fisher is an Ambassador for the Jason Foundation.

I think it happens... I have said before, I would be willing to sacrifice a game or 2 just to give Vince a sink or swim situation.
Last year I said only if it wasn't a conference game and I'm still on board with that.

[TitansFan23]

By the way, those are the cap hit numbers, not his salary.

His salary is about half that, though he has about $4 million in roster bonuses in both years. He probably would have to renegotiate those bonuses to be the starter in 2010.

It 's the amount it will cost the Titans to have him on the team. (His contract plus roster bonus).

You're splitting hairs here 309. :lol

[Sect309Fan]

It 's the amount it will cost the Titans to have him on the team. (His contract plus roster bonus).


That still isn't correct. What you posted is the cap hit. His contract plus roster bonus is still about $3 million less than that per year.

Yes, it is a lot of money, and he will unlikely see it all. But he is still cheaper than Stafford. :lol

[utkjoe]

Methinks you drink too deeply of the two-tone kool-aid, my friend. It's the only thing he can say. To say anything less than VY is looked at as the future starter for this franchise is to invite further scrutiny on VY as a bust and bring about further mental issues with number 10.

If Fisher wishes to truly leave the door open, he must talk like this. To admit that no one knows if Vince will ever start again, he would be limiting the possiblities more than he does by stating the positive that VY *will* start again.

We passed the point of "invite further scrutiny on VY as a bust" a long time ago. There isn't much reason to keep trying to feed his ego unless Fisher really does believe he has a decent chance to be our starter.

And while I expect Fisher to be diplomatic about how he says things, I don't see him as a guy that will just say what people want to hear to make them feel better. If he thought VY was done, I don't think he would be saying VY is definitely going to start again.

[Count Telecky]

Fisher has to say what he did about Vince. If the Titans decide they want to trade him, they are not going to say anything that could lessen his trade value.

It's hard to decipher this one folks. I would like to believe that Fisher sees potential in Vince and thinks he will be the #1 again, but it would also not surprise me if he is traded after this season.

[Sect309Fan]

Fisher has to say what he did about Vince. If the Titans decide they want to trade him, they are not going to say anything that could lessen his trade value.

The problem is that Vince has zero trade value. His contract is not trade friendly at all. So that excuse doesn't make sense.

[TitansFan23]

That still isn't correct. What you posted is the cap hit. His contract plus roster bonus is still about $3 million less than that per year.

Yes, it is a lot of money, and he will unlikely see it all. But he is still cheaper than Stafford. :lol

My bad, you're correct.

In 2010, VY will get 7.5 million + 4.25 million roster bonus for a total of 11.75 million. His cap hit for that year will be 14.21 million.

In 2011, VY will get 8.5 million + 4.25 million roster bonus for a total of 12.75 million. His cap hit for that year will be 15.21 million.

I'm no cap expert, but doesn't his cap hit reflect what he'll cost the Titans to keep him? That'll be 29.42 million for both 2010 and 2011, a difference of 4.92 million from the cap hit and what VY actually gets paid.

He's still not worth a total of 24.5 million for those two seasons, which is what I was getting at in the first place. :thumbsup

[Jones31]

Fisher has to say what he did about Vince. If the Titans decide they want to trade him, they are not going to say anything that could lessen his trade value.

It's hard to decipher this one folks. I would like to believe that Fisher sees potential in Vince and thinks he will be the #1 again, but it would also not surprise me if he is traded after this season.

He'll be cut before anyone trades for him.

[TitanPop]

Vince is still on the team? :doh :slap

[Count Telecky]

The problem is that Vince has zero trade value. His contract is not trade friendly at all. So that excuse doesn't make sense.

Based on that, then we should take Fisher at his word that Vince will again be the starter?

Or is Fisher being a good "salesman" and pumping up his product to make it look more valuable then it actually is?

[Count Telecky]

He'll be cut before anyone trades for him.

I'm not saying this won't happen. But there have been a lot of trades in the past that make you go :wtflol

Another man's trash is another man's treasure.

[Jones31]

Is that Al Davis on line 2?

[chronbrownie012]

I'm not saying this won't happen. But there have been a lot of trades in the past that make you go :wtflol

Another man's trash is another man's treasure.

Unfortunately nobody thinks of VY as our treasure (or theres with his current contract)

They have no reason to give us any value in a trade when it is pretty well known we'll likely release him at years end

[Count Telecky]

Unfortunately nobody thinks of VY as our treasure (or theres with his current contract)

They have no reason to give us any value in a trade when it is pretty well known we'll likely release him at years end

Again, I'm not saying they will trade him as opposed to cutting him. All I'm saying is that if the Titans already figure that VY will not be with the team after this season, they are not going to come out and say that VY is done here and has no value to us or anyone else. It just wouldn't make any sense to do that. They are trying to improve on his perceived value.

If that is not what they are doing, then we can take Fisher's comments as law and know that VY will be the Titans starter again.

[Yvette]

We're all so busy talking about Fisher we're forgetting the Bud factor.

[Jones31]

I worry less about that everyday, I think he's going to get with the program of it's time to win a championship, over watching some kid try to be an NFL player for him just to spite the City Of Houston.

[TTP77]

No matter what Bud might want to happen, the bottom line (pun intended) is that Bud will not pay Vince what his contract calls for in 2010. Even if VY gets his chance and plays well, his contract will have to be re-negotiated after the 2009 season. So, either way, it's at least a 50% chance that VY and the Titans are headed for a divorce. It's in both sides interest to make it as painless as possible. The Titans say the right thing and VY says the right thing until we get to next offseason. The negotiating starts and no deal can get done. Then everyone can save face by saying they tried to make a deal but couldn't work it out and that the parting was over money and nothing else. That makes it a win win situation all around. That's how I see this thing going down.

[PBV]

....If the Titans were to part ways with Young before this season started, it would actually cost them an additional $2.76 million against the salary cap.

But in swallowing a $7.38 million cap hit in 2009, the Titans would take Young off their books beyond 2009 and then save $9.29 million in salary-cap room in 2010 and $12.75 million in 2011.

Barring a scenario where he replaced an injured Collins and had an MVP season or won a Super Bowl as the starter -- and maybe even in the context of such events -- it's unlikely Young will be a Titan under this contract in 2010, when he's due a $4.25 roster bonus, a $7.5 million base salary and would cost $14.21 million against the cap under contract and only $4.29 million if he was taken off the roster....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4082898

[PBV]

.....According to Titans offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger, Young has done everything Fisher has asked of him. Young has taken the first step towards getting back on the field for the Titans, but Heimerdinger said he’ll need to show steady improvement on the practice field in May to begin to earn back his spot under center.

''He's started to do what it will take. He's made every workout, which he wasn't here last year. That to me is the first step,'' Heimerdinger said. ''The next step is what he does in OTA's. I think he needs to prove to us that he knows where to go with the ball, make good decision, and then get back to if it's not there, pull it down and run. Just use the talent that he has.''

And what about his questionable attitude? Heimerdinger has noticed it’s changed and said Strength & Conditioning coach Steve Watterson has not had a complaint regarding his work ethic.

''He's been here four days a week every time they're supposed to be here,'' Heimerdinger said. ''He's been there when we're throwing on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Those steps are the first steps and then we'll see when we get to OTA's.''....
http://titansradio.com//article.asp?id=1298657&SPID=29108

[Livid13]

Does the name Kordell Stewart ring a bell? That's IF Vince can get his act together. He MIGHT be a servicable back up, at best. As it stands right now, he's not worth more than a 4th round pick, salary issues aside.

[barnybyrd]

Does the name Kordell Stewart ring a bell? That's IF Vince can get his act together. He MIGHT be a servicable back up, at best. As it stands right now, he's not worth more than a 4th round pick, salary issues aside.

Make that 2 4th round picks and he's yours.

[MillaKilla8]

I am behind Vince.

[Orca]

We're all so busy talking about Fisher we're forgetting the Bud factor.

Orca has always enjoyed an ice cold Bud...


:lol

[titansikou]

Four pages of VY talk brings back memories...

Good times, good times!:cheers

[Big Time]

HA! ^

[chronbrownie012]

It might be a smokescreen..but I wouldn't expect Fisher and Heimerdinger to both come out so emphatically on this point if it is

ideal situation for me is that VY improves and learns the offense....resigns next year with a more reasonable deal and becomes the eventual starter

[nikki32]

I am excited period that VY is doing everything he needs to do right now. That should be encouraging to everyone. He is engaged. He is involved. He is working. I am happy for that.

[TitansGiantsBears]

If you take VY's legs away he is not even an average QB. I don't think someone even with the strongest pair of burnt orange glasses would deny that.



Didn't hang around our old board much, did you? :D

[wari0]

I think the following pretty much somes up everyone's opinion on the matter:

Vince Young rocks/sucks he will be a great QB/Bust. He is a future HOF/CFL QB and will play for the titans one/ten more years! Next season I can see him starting/benchwarming for all 16 games.

Cant we just leave it at that? :D

[pookha]

If the Titans don't think he can be the starter again, then why go through all of this? Why would they even care about his ego in that situation?

The only thing that makes sense is that the Titans still have hope that Vince can be an effective starter in the NFL. It doesn't mean he is guarenteed a spot, but it does mean the team hasn't given up on him.

to keep him from having another lose cannon basket episode.

[TitansFan370]

Who else is going to run the offense? Kerry Collins is done after this season. No rookie is going to come in and start. Is there a legitimate free agent out there?

Vince is QB in 2010! I don't think there is another option!

So why did we sign Kerry Collins to a TWO year contract?

[Jones31]

Insurance.... I bet he doesn't see that year in our uniform.

[Sect309Fan]

So why did we sign Kerry Collins to a TWO year contract?


Insurance.... I bet he doesn't see that year in our uniform.

I see two likely scenarios.

1. After the 2009 season is over, the Titans don't think Vince is going to work out and/or too expensive. They cut Vince, draft a QB in the 2010 draft, and Collins starts the 2010 year. It is his last year as a Titan.

2. After the 2009 season is over, Vince has done enough to earn the starting job back. Collins either plays backup in 2010 or he asks for a release. (Vince still probably has to redo his contract).

So if Vince isn't the starter in 2010, Collins is really the only choice (barring some super performance by Ramsey).

[TTP77]

I see a third scenario

VY doesn't do enough to earn the starting job, Kerry's performance drops off or he gets injured, and we target a FA for the starting job in 2010. We will likely draft a QB pretty early next year regardless.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

i dont know about all this detailed discussion but i have several conclusions about Vince...

1. He is not a good QB at the moment
2. he has gone from one extreme to the other...he went from super-hero to a nobody...he went from pure runner to pure "passer"....at least he made the effort to "try to be a pure passer" Now he needs to find the happy medium between run and pass
3. he will never be a great passer but if he just learns to play smart and master the art of picking the best times to tuck it
4. he needs to study tape of cutler and Big Ben...he needs to use his elusiveness to buy extra time in the pocket or out of the pocket....often ben and cutler have wide open receivers simply b/c they cannot guard them forever...vince could really improve statistically with this skill
5. study old McNair film...model yourself after him as much as possible
6. mature
7. TRUST IN DINGGER AND FISH
8. CONTINUE TO WORK

[t1tan5]

5. study old McNair film...model yourself after him as much as possible


The worst thing to happen to VY was that FO snafu with Mac after the 2005 season. I think Mac would have been the perfect mentor for Vince.

[titansikou]

4. he needs to study tape of cutler and Big Ben...he needs to use his elusiveness to buy extra time in the pocket or out of the pocket....often ben and cutler have wide open receivers simply b/c they cannot guard them forever...vince could really improve statistically with this skill


This is a really good point. VY of all people should be able to master this better than the other two.

[Titanico]

I am not sure why Fisher has to talk like that about Young. We all know that trainning camp is a different type of animal than regular season...and I hope that Fisher is not missing out, what we, the fans, think about Young these days.

Basiclly...Young is sitting on a gun powder barrel. I trully think that he has to play close to perfection, in case he is interested to earn some good, nice and healthy respect back.

If any of that fails, and Bud thinks that his boy has to play...then we better be prepared to have a sucky offense.

In the other hand, I will be happy to see playing Young, if, he plays very well.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

nah he doesnt have to play close to perfect...none of our QBs have ever played close to perfect....he just needs to be jovial to the fans and media, act like he wants to be a Tennessee Titan and than it means something to him, and just be a contributor that helps us win...not a detriment.....titans are not made of the prettiest and 'best' players in the league...we just need him to mold into a leader...KC has done well at being a leader...vince HAS to learn this trait

[Titanico]

...vince HAS to learn this trait

In other words?

Yes...absolutely...no doubt!

[Rolltide14TOMB]

nobody can FORCE VY to learn anything...im not sure even mac could do that however we will never know i guess...i mean he needs to ACTIVELY seek advice from other guys...im not sure on this but doesnt he have a good friendship with Donovan McNabb? maybe i made that up i dont know

[Titanico]

nobody can FORCE VY to learn anything...im not sure even mac could do that however we will never know i guess...i mean he needs to ACTIVELY seek advice from other guys...im not sure on this but doesnt he have a good friendship with Donovan McNabb? maybe i made that up i dont know

The issue is that nobody is forcing him to learn something. He must feel the NEED to become the best QB that he can possibly be.

If he doesn't feel the game, and as it was quoted...if he doesn't sees the fun to play it, he better don't miss another second trying to be a "wannabe".

[RohitTheNair]

i dont know about all this detailed discussion but i have several conclusions about Vince...

1. He is not a good QB at the moment

Ya know what else? At the moment we havent seen him play a meaningful game in 8 months....Whos to say he isnt the best QB in the league now? As far as we know, he could have improved so much in these last 8 months that he could step in now and lead this team to a superbowl....Fisher knows best, and judging by his emphatic comments, I am convinced that he is fully behind Vince.

My prediction on what happens to Vince: We start the season kinda rough...Maybe to the tone of 2-3 with Kerry playing poorly...Then, Vince comes in and starts the next game, tears it up, and never looks back...We make the playoffs with VY as our QB (10-6 record)...And we keep Vince with the same contract and probably cut Kerry...I know many of you will say im drinking kool-aid blah blah blah...But that is just what I see happening, and I fully wish all parties involved the best.

[TitansFan23]

Ya know what else? At the moment we havent seen him play a meaningful game in 8 months....Whos to say he isnt the best QB in the league now? As far as we know, he could have improved so much in these last 8 months that he could step in now and lead this team to a superbowl....Fisher knows best, and judging by his emphatic comments, I am convinced that he is fully behind Vince.

My prediction on what happens to Vince: We start the season kinda rough...Maybe to the tone of 2-3 with Kerry playing poorly...Then, Vince comes in and starts the next game, tears it up, and never looks back...We make the playoffs with VY as our QB (10-6 record)...And we keep Vince with the same contract and probably cut Kerry...I know many of you will say im drinking kool-aid blah blah blah...But that is just what I see happening, and I fully wish all parties involved the best.

Is this how you see it, or just how you hope to see it?

[RohitTheNair]

Is this how you see it, or just how you hope to see it?

A little bit of both really.

[pookha]

cant wait for training camp to start.

[Jones31]

Generally anytime someone who's been reverted to 2nd string, any time in a live game is meaningful. Especially when they have the farm riding on said player.

The tone of Kerry playing badly is funny, some have hoped he'd go back to shades of 2006 everytime he's on the field and he hasn't. I laugh at that, what's even more funny is people think a player who played his rookie year calling his own number a majority of the plays, and hasn't seemed to done a thing better since then is regarded as better than any other QB on the team.

Save the ROY talk he was barely average and people were still sucking the hype from the Rose Bowl. The Pro Bowl..... if you still think that isn't a popularity contest by now, followed by the biggest joke of an all star game in any sport. you must be blind.

[315]

If I have ever thought that it was only because I am having a hard time swallowing that our 3rd pick in the draft could end up being an total freakin waste.

[TTP77]

If I have ever thought that it was only because I am having a hard time swallowing that our 3rd pick in the draft could end up being an total freakin waste.

I understand this and I feel the same way. I'm certainly not rooting against VY. I just have my doubts. If he proves me wrong I will be happy that one of our players has overcome extreme obstacles. If nothing else I wish it for VY personally as I think he's a good guy and I hate to see what's happened to him.

I just have a problem with wishing for a player and the team to do poorly just so one of your favorite players can get on the field. Not saying that you are doing that just commenting in general. :thumbsup

[barnybyrd]

It would be best for everyone if he turned out to be what we thought he would be when he was drafted. The best QB of the three and one who would be here 10 yrs or so.

[titansfan4life416]

I say wait for training camp to start. Let them play it out.

[Hammr]

VY is a bust, we draft QB next yr and carry on

[Sect309Fan]

VY is a bust, we draft QB next yr and carry on

The Titans would have drafted one this year if they thought he was a bust. So they still have hope.

I care a lot more about what the team thinks about Vince than what the fans do.

[TTP77]

The only potentially good QB we had a shot at was Josh Freeman. And we had him in for a visit. The rest of the pack was weak. He was gone by the time we drafted so we don't know if the Titans would have taken him. Besides, drafting a QB early this year would have tied a bunch more money up in the position. So I don't think you can go that far in your inference.

[Jones31]

Not really, with Kerry having a 2 year deal they have the option of waiting another year. Vince's contract being as cheap as it is right now doesn't mean they had to make a decision this year.

Not to mention they brought in another veteran QB this year, who they can keep around also.

[TTP77]

Well, if Ramsey is on the roster come Day 1, I think we know what the team really thinks.

[chronbrownie012]

Well, if Ramsey is on the roster come Day 1, I think we know what the team really thinks.

not necessarily we had 3 qbs last year

[TTP77]

Yea, and why did we carry 3 last year? Because of VY's issues.

[Titanico]

I care a lot more about what the team thinks about Vince than what the fans do.

Are you taking in consideration what already happened? Words and only words not supported with facts by Vince Young?

Then we know that Young is Bud's boy. That's going to give him an extra time to stay on this team, I only wonder what would had happened if Young was Dinger's selection...there's a possibility that he could had seen the exit door sooner than later.

At the end the fans cannot be biased and we can say what we honestly think about a player, and we aren't paid to support someone that is not living up to our expectations. Fisher, has to be a good guy in the eyes of Bud...not us.

[Orca]

The Titans would have drafted one this year if they thought he was a bust. So they still have hope.

I care a lot more about what the team thinks about Vince than what the fans do.

Perhaps they were trying to defer controversy and spare an apparently fragile ego.

:D

[315]

I just have a problem with wishing for a player and the team to do poorly just so one of your favorite players can get on the field. Not saying that you are doing that just commenting in general. :thumbsup

I understand... and I for sure wasnt wishing KC to do bad. Best case scenario is that KC carries us all the way to the SB and VY is an after thought.

[TTP77]

I understand... and I for sure wasnt wishing KC to do bad. Best case scenario is that KC carries us all the way to the SB and VY is an after thought.

I didn't think you were. :) Honestly, I want the best players on the field regardless of draft status etc. and so long as we go all the way I don't care who they are. Just play the guys who give you the best shot. I do happen to think KC is that guy but if circumstances prove differently I will gladly cheer for VY.

[BJShan]

Yea, and why did we carry 3 last year? Because of VY's issues.

So when we had 3 QB's during McNairs tenure was that due to VY's issues?

I really don't understand why so many people think having 3 QB's on the roster means anything. We've done it many years and a large percentage of NFL teams carry 3 QB's.

[TitansFan370]

Yea, and why did we carry 3 last year? Because of VY's issues.

When will some of you ever understand that the Titans have ALWAYS had 3 QB's on the active squad except for the first two years of VY's tenure and Matt Mauck was elevated to the active squad as third QB one of those years?

We would have had a third QB both of those years if Fisher and Volek had not had thier falling out and McNair had not been traded to Baltimore.

Also, those were the years practice squads were increased to 8 from 5 players is the only reason Mauck was on the practice squad at the beginning of the season.

Matt performed as well or better in his one game against Jacksonville as did VY or Simms against Indianapolis this past season. Not really a good measuring standard.

So, long story, but the Titans have always had THREE quarterbacks on the active squad except two years and they had a third quarterback on the practice squad those years until Matt Mauck was elevated to the active squad to keep the Jets from signing him.

[TTP77]

There were years we didn't carry 3 QB's on the active roster but had a practice squad QB. Last year we started the year with 2 QB's on the active roster and one on the practice squad. After the Jacksonville game all that changed. Yes, some years we did carry 3 QB's during McNair's tenure. Sometimes teams carry 3 QB's due to injury concerns with the starting QB.

[BJShan]

After the Jacksonville game all that changed.

Of course it did, all of a sudden we only had one healthy QB on the roster.

[TTP77]

That's why I said because of VY's issues. I was using it in the broad sense to include injury. Now he's healthy and we are back to 3.

[JimOkc]

I realize that most people have seemed to close their minds on this issue based on perceptions (which may or may not be correct).

I have said before that this team is in a position that other teams envy of having not only one but two starters and probowl qbs. (If Mr. Infamous One :p thinks I am blind, he should see me without my two-toned blue glasses :lol)

I don't think that the situation is or has been as bleak as some people make it out to be. I think that last year the records would be very similar regardless of who was under center.

Fisher has been saying that Vince will eventually be the starter again since right after the Cincy game last year (week 2?) Aside from a no context part of a full quote (that could have meant something other than what some people think it means, kind of like the "Can't tell me nothin" quote that has been widely misinterpreted) by Bulluck after game 1 and Albert's statement about Vince not responding to him during an exchange, I have not heard anything other by teammates than they have his back.

I think this past year has been a great challenge and a learning experience for Vince. It looks as he is doing the right things to regain his position as a starter when the opportunity presents itself.

I don't see that Kerry did a spectacular job this past year stat wise. I do think that he was very consistent and that is good. I think that given the past year he should be the starter coming into camp/regular season.

I think that this past year was good for teaching. I think one of the lesson's that fans might have learned was that the guy you felt "let you down" in the past might just be the one who "picks you up" down the line. If you look at Kerry's history on this team you might see what I mean.

I don't see that having three qbs is a bad thing or means anything other than you have one who will be declared an emergency qb and will help out by saving on reps (thus keeping arms fresh). It is considered a luxury and has been done before. There have been times when the team hasn't done that as depth was needed elsewhere.

I am behind the guys on our team, I will pull for them to help our team, whatever role the team wants them to play. As they are rostered, they all are in that category of being amongst the best players available.

:D

[TTP77]

I am behind the guys on our team, I will pull for them to help our team, whatever role the team wants them to play.

I agree Jim. :)

[amy]

Yeah, Coach will keep saying it until contract time and then we'll see, eh? One could be reminded of the statement in one of WS's plays-" Thou doth protest too much."-or something like that. It's a long way to the advent of Vince Young. Way too many pitfalls can be had on the way to glory.

gee, I'm poetic today! :p]

[TitansGiantsBears]

The Pro Bowl..... if you still think that isn't a popularity contest by now, followed by the biggest joke of an all star game in any sport. you must be blind.

Not to mention that he was the 2,474th alternate three times removed. :lol

[TitansFan23]

What I want to know... is what everyone thinks about the whole VY situation.

[Jones31]

What I want to know... is what everyone thinks about the whole VY situation.

That's a deep subject, you sure you want to get into it?
:lolhit

[ZachLV27]

How did this thread get to 7 pages long?

[shadowboxin']

The longest VY thread I saw on the TOMB was around 50+ pages, so this one still has a ways to go.

[ZachLV27]

The longest VY thread I saw on the TOMB was around 50+ pages, so this one still has a ways to go.

The long threads over there support my question.

[Jones31]

Do you like train wrecks???

[TitansGiantsBears]

The longest VY thread I saw on the TOMB was around 50+ pages, so this one still has a ways to go.

Because it has the magic buzzwords "Vince" and "Young" in the title.

[Hammr]

The Titans would have drafted one this year if they thought he was a bust. So they still have hope.

I care a lot more about what the team thinks about Vince than what the fans do.

didn't the titans sign a QB to compete with VY for the #2 spot? dont sound like they have as much hope as you seem to

[gnarl]

with all these scenarios people are talking about. the only scenario is see is this...

kerry wanted to comeback for the two obvious reasons

1. the coaches, and rest of the team have faith his the best QB on our roster to lead us to another season, plus a trip to the playoffs..the the superbowl run starts from there.

2. kerry knows if he would of left that means learning a brand new playbook, all new chemistry with a team who knows if he would start or not & a team as good as ours (minus the playoffs..we were the best team record wise)

smart choice by both sides...but I really do feel kerry and MAYBE the organization are acting on this as a one year deal.

good season, bad season. good play or bad play by kerry. I honestly feel he just wants to give it one more go for a shot at a ring.

cause after this upcoming season, I just get this strange feeling he will walk away from football, no matter what happens.

lets hope its with his and our first championship ever.

and as for Vince

I supported you the day he was drafted. as much as we hear fisherspeak... this is a coach that supports everyone on this roster and believes in them.

if not...then why did he see so much of j mac this past year..and players like reynold hill, ect.

I really do feel he thinks vince can get the job done, but he's know, vince knows, and we all know..he has a lot of maturing to do and needs to make football his life...like he says it is.

[Titanico]

I am glad that Collins helped our offense as he did on past season. I would like to see him passing that ball several times to the end zone in 2009.

Are 30 TDs too much to ask? :D

[Jones31]

No, just competent WR's to catch them.

[Sect309Fan]

didn't the titans sign a QB to compete with VY for the #2 spot? dont sound like they have as much hope as you seem to

Ramsey is an insurance policy more than anything. Plus, you need at least 4 QBs for training camp. He might make the final roster and he might not. But I don't seem him seriously competing for the #2 spot.

[chronbrownie012]

I agree that Ramsey is probably just insurance but I have heard Dinger loved him in Denver

[Rolltide14TOMB]

That's a deep subject, you sure you want to get into it?


what are everyone's feelings on the WildVince Formation?

[titansfan4life416]

Has there been any word from the camps on how he is doing??

[chronbrownie012]

what are everyone's feelings on the WildVince Formation?

If we didn't see it last year I don't expect much of it this year

[gnarl]

wildvince formation...

hmmmmmm...

well i do enjoy it when i hear mike keith say

SAAAAACCCCCCKKKK

[Jones31]

Has there been any word from the camps on how he is doing??

Probably not enough going on to make heads or tails out of anything.

[Orca]

what are everyone's feelings on the WildVince Formation?

About as likely as a wildorca formation....:ohmy

:lol

[Titans and Turtles]

what are everyone's feelings on the WildVince Formation?

well, my feeling is th

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oK9WjBunPto/SSyjOWspqfI/AAAAAAAAAN0/njQvN6PNaD0/S240/ROCK%5B1%5D.jpg

IT DOESN't MATTER WHAT YOUR FEELINGS ARE!

Seriously, it doesn't. I say this any time someone asks about it - However it might or might not work, Jeff Fisher will never, EVER run it. If it's not in the 1985 Chicago Bears playbook, it's not for us. the QB sits under center, and either hands off for a run up the middle, or drops 3 steps and throws. The routes change, and the play-action factor changes, but otherwise, that's about it.

[TTP77]

From Estwick's blog...

Comments from Fisher


The quarterback battle between Kerry Collins, Vince Young and Patrick Ramsey: “We brought Ramsey in here just to give him an opportunity because there is probably a good chance that we will keep three quarterbacks this year. He has a real good feel for Mike’s [Heimerdinger] offense having the experience in Denver. Right now they are slotted Kerry is one, Vince is two and Patrick is three."

[titan122]

well thats definately news that wasnt expected:huh

[chronbrownie012]

Some notes from practice for PK

Vince Young

Vince Young threw a fantastic deep ball to Lavelle Hawkins on the right sideline that Hawkins did great work to corral over his left shoulder. It was on the opposite side of the field from where I was standing, but Hawkins said later he was in bounds. Young also threw at least two picks, one to Ryan Fowler in the middle of the field that was either a very poor decision or a blown route and another that was tipped by the intended receiver or a linebacker and wound up in the arms of Vincent Fuller. Don't want to read too much into either, but Young was pointing at himself after one bad throw and had a mellow and straightforward session with reporters after practice.

Patrick Ramsey

Patrick Ramsey showed a strong arm but hardly looked great. He was intercepted by corner Christian Morton on a ball intended for Hawkins.

[titansikou]

I really can't believe that Vince's interceptions in practice in May are newsworthy. I can't believe his good throws are newsworthy either. At this stage, who the hell cares? This is the time for players to make and correct mistakes, its not time to stir the peanut gallery.

[Jones31]

OMG he suxors!!!!

[Aaron3322]

We have the 2nd most popular 2nd stringer in the National Football League. Next to Brady Quinn.

[TTP77]

Good article from Terry McCormick.


Since last season’s fall from grace, Young has apparently been doing some soul searching and is in the process of dedicating more time to the craft of being an NFL quarterback.

“I’ve been watching a lot more film, studying more defenses, and watching a lot of old things back in the day of what guys were trying to do to me, and just getting in shape,” Young said. “The last couple of years I’ve been injured and a lot of different things have been going on with my body. I’ve basically just been getting my body right and working on my mental game, getting in the room with [quarterbacks coach] Craig Johnson and getting some extra film work behind the scenes.”

His goals: To improve his reading of opposing defenses by studying more and doing more.

“It goes back to taking care of my responsibilities, being here with the guys and doing the extra things to better myself,” Young said. “Kerry Collins is a veteran. He knows the game, he has seen probably every defense you can throw at him. I want to get to the point that when I get behind center that I’m very comfortable reading defenses and doing the same as what he’s seeing. That’s pretty much what I’ve been doing, just studying the game and getting my health right and learning the business of the NFL.

Young said he attributes his new approach to “growing up.”

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sports/young-wants-no-gimmes-fisher-spring

I'm starting to get encouraged. :thumbsup

[315]

lot of different things have been going on with my body.

Maybe all the drama was unfounded and Vince was just going through puberty.

:lol

[TTP77]

One more from Teresa Walker, AP

http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-1/young-attentive-working-hard-behind-collins/d5c6dd60-e62b-4486-87eb-d0d4c29ef29a

[Mike McFan]

Good article from Terry McCormick.



http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sports/young-wants-no-gimmes-fisher-spring

I'm starting to get encouraged. :thumbsup

Encouraging !:thumbsup

[titansfan4life416]

I really can't believe that Vince's interceptions in practice in May are newsworthy. I can't believe his good throws are newsworthy either. At this stage, who the hell cares? This is the time for players to make and correct mistakes, its not time to stir the peanut gallery.

I could't have said it better myself.

[Mike McFan]

It's no so much news as simple practice reporting.

[chronbrownie012]

he's definitely saying the right things....and here's to hoping he follows through