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Southside Tirant
06-26-2009, 07:50 AM
I know it's way to early to start thinking about next year, but im just curious to see fellow Titan fans opinion's on player's comming out next year and if there's any juniors worth keeping an eye on. I have a hard time imagining what position the Titan's might go after next year? Off the top of my head i would think CB seeing Harper's getting pretty old! But then there's the possibilty of multible player's on Defense hitting FA. No doubt it's going to depend on who we retain and who we pick up in FA that will lead us to what position we need most in the draft.
I kept hearing on how some teams this year said it was the worst draft they had ever seen and that next year should be much better with more Impact Players! I think how nice it would be to draft another WR in the 1st rd next season but then i think of the QB problem's and all the holes we might have next season after FA. So here's some player's i'd hope to see wearing a Titans uniform in the future!
FS-Taylor Mays,USC-His amazing combination of size and speed might have made him a top #10 pick.
SS-Eric Berry,Tennessee, Ed Reed type of game changer.
(I don't think we need a (S), But if any of those two were still available, and we picked one, i'd be very happy)
DT-Gerald McCoy,Oklahoma-A big, strong, disruptive presence!
DT-Suh Ndamukong,Nebraska-Very strong and quick feet.
ILB- Brandon Spikes, Florida-Is more known for his run-stuffing presence.
LB- Mark Herzlich, Boston College-Tall and strong, Ability to stuff the run and make plays in coverage is a coachs dream.
OLB- Sean Witherspoon, Missouri- Not very big but had (155 tackles in '08'), Excellent timed speed and Instincts.
DE/OLB- Sergio Kindle, Texas- More of a 3-4 pass rusher, don't know if he fit's
DE-Carlos Dunlap, Florida-NFL size (6-6 286lbs), and his stellar production cannot be ignored.
OL-Russell Okung, Oklahoma ST.-Underrated athlete with good size.
TE-Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma- Don't know that we need him either but i keep hearing how he's a complete TE and a mismatch at any level.
Any CB's or WR's that are worth looking at, Juniors and Seniors that are Special Type of player's?
NYTitan21
06-26-2009, 11:37 AM
how about a QB of the future?
Fairweather Fan
06-26-2009, 11:58 AM
FS-Eric Berry,Tennessee, Ed Reed type of game changer.
production cannot be ignored.
I hope we won't be picking high enough in the draft that Berry would even be an option.
Southside Tirant
06-26-2009, 04:02 PM
I hope we won't be picking high enough in the draft that Berry would even be an option.
I hope we're not picking that early also! But with this draft looking so strong and loaded with talent this following year, we're almost certain to get special talent out of it! just to name a few first round prospects...
Wr-Brandon LaFell,Louisiana State- Top senior prospect, 6-3, 210lbs, Good hand and decent speed.
Wr-Arrelious Benn, 6-2,214lbs, Underclassmen
Wr-Dez Bryant, 6-2,210lbs, Underclassmen
OL-Ciron Black,Louisiana State-6-5,328lbs
OL-Trent Williams,Oklahoma-6-5,309
DE-Greg Hardy,Mississippi-6-4,285lbs
DE-Greg Romeus,Pittsburgh-6-5,265
DE/OLB-George Selvie,South Florida-6-4,245lbs
DE/OLB-Brandon Lang,Troy,6-4,240lbs
DT-Terrence Cody,Alabama,6-5,365lbs
DT-Marvin Austin,North Carolina,6-3,305
ILB/OLB-Rolando McClain,Alabama,6-4,248
CB-Trevard Lindley,Kentucky,6-0,178lbs
CB-Joe Haden,Florida,5"11,195lbs
CB-Javier Arenas,Alabama,5-9,198
Rolltide14TOMB
07-04-2009, 11:05 AM
Javy Javy javy.....with the 32nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Tennessee Titans select Tim Tebow QB University of Florida
LiamVengeance
07-04-2009, 05:52 PM
Javy Javy javy.....with the 32nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Superbowl World Champions Tennessee Titans select Tim Tebow QB University of Florida
No thanks.
EDIT: and fixed.
and Superbowl, Yes.
Tebow, Eurghh No
NYTitan21
07-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Tebow won't be a good NFL QB..i just don't see it out of him... i'd like to see him try that little jump pass and get speared by a blitzing LB or Safety.
wari0
07-07-2009, 11:26 AM
My prediction:
mel kiper will say, "The superbowl champion titans did a much better job in last years draft than many believed as the picks of Jared Cook and Kenny Britt both worked out very well for this team. They were able to resign KVB and Jevon Kearse but, lost Keith Bulluck in Free Agency. The team will go with an OLB or a DE for depth. Look for them to take a cornerback with their next pick."
and then the titans will pick up running backs in both rounds :p
LiamVengeance
07-08-2009, 04:03 AM
what's with his jump pass, It makes him look stupid even if he does get the TD.
Toronto
07-15-2009, 11:53 PM
what's with his jump pass, It makes him look stupid even if he does get the TD.
Hey, it may look stupid, but college coaches can't defend against him. He sure as hell has the hardware...
He'll go in the draft, but I sure as hell don't want him.
MillaKilla8
07-17-2009, 10:56 PM
Wr-Dez Bryant, 6-2,210lbs, Underclassmen
I love this guy.
Last year i watched him tear apart the Ducks in the holiday bowl (and loved every sec of it, go beavers!) , and then he got hurt in the early 2nd quarter. He still managed to set a holiday bowl record in 1 quarter for total receiving yards in the holiday bowl.
He is special.
MillaKilla8
07-17-2009, 11:01 PM
Tebow won't be a good NFL QB..i just don't see it out of him... i'd like to see him try that little jump pass and get speared by a blitzing LB or Safety.
I like Tebow kind of but ya i don't think he can be successful in the NFL either.
Hammr
07-18-2009, 09:01 PM
Greybeard is getting a bit long in the tooth and we have no viable QB to take over unless that guy they signed last winter comes a long way. So I'm all for getting a new QB.
chronbrownie012
10-18-2009, 02:02 PM
The way our pick is looking right now...it's QB of the future time.
Southside Tirant
10-19-2009, 09:58 PM
This draft doesn't look like a QB of the future draft. It looks like a Titans have Holes in every part of ther Defense from everybody leaving draft. For real.
TTP77
12-13-2009, 09:23 AM
Bernie Kosar is reportedly scheduled to interview Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen on behalf of the Browns. the Browns hired Kosar as a "consultant" in October, but he's seemingly taken on a very significant role already as rumors persist that he's ticketed for a high-level position in the organization. Cleveland will likely have a top-five pick in April, and Clausen figures to be near the top of their list.
Rotoworld
Titansfan777
12-13-2009, 12:23 PM
clausen is the best qb in this draft...they should go for it.
Southside Tirant
12-15-2009, 07:58 PM
Does anybody have ESPN insider???? Im kind of curious to see Kiper's Big Board and Mcshay's Mock draft!
TTP77
12-16-2009, 07:04 AM
Here's Kiper's latest big board. I posted McShay's mock in the other thread....
Originally Published: December 9, 2009
Mel Kiper's latest 2010 Big Board
The biggest news after the championship weekend -- Ndamukong Suh didn't do much to change his No. 1 slot, of course -- is that I moved Jake Locker -- who could and maybe should return to Washington -- to No. 5 (he was No. 9 last week). That shifted Sam Bradford, who had been No. 5, to No. 6 (he's also No. 3 among junior QBs, behind Jimmy Clausen and Locker).
It'll be hard to drop Suh. His tape is stunningly strong evidence. That said, many players will rise and fall as the senior all-star games -- that'll be the first chance for many pro scouts to see guys like Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow under center -- bowl season, the combine, and pro days take place. Again, this isn't yet about draft position. That changes everything, because of need. This is a raw ranking of the top NFL prospects, with juniors not in the mix unless they are in the top 15 or 20.
Big Board Bar
1
Ndamukong Suh
DT
6-4
300
Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1
2
Gerald McCoy
DT
6-4
297
Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2
3
Eric Berry
DB
5-11
203
Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3
4
Jimmy Clausen
QB
6-3
223
Analysis: Improved through adversity, has under-center experience. Last week: No. 4
5
Jake Locker
QB
6-3
226
Analysis: Developing talent whose physical tools are unmatched. Last week: No. 9
6
Sam Bradford
QB
6-4
223
Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; is superaccurate. Last week: No. 5
7
Russell Okung
OT
6-5
300
Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass-protector. Last week: No. 6
8
Joe Haden
CB
5-11
190
Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 7
9
Derrick Morgan
DE
6-4
275
Analysis: Proven pass-rusher (12.5 sacks this season), stout versus run. Last week: No. 8
10
Dez Bryant
WR
6-2
220
Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 11
11
Brian Price
DT
6-2
300
Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc. Last week: No. 10
12
Rolando McClain
LB
6-4
258
Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 13
13
Jason Pierre-Paul
DE
6-5
262
Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 12
14
Taylor Mays
S
6-3
235
Analysis: Has linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 14
15
C.J. Spiller
RB
5-11
195
Analysis: Multitalented, superfast, electrifying game breaker. Last week: No. 16
16
Everson Griffen
DE
6-3
280
Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 15
17
Carlos Dunlap
DE
6-6
290
Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 17
18
Dan Williams
DT
6-3
327
Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 18
19
Aaron Hernandez
TE
6-2
250
Analysis: Great hands and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: No. 19
20
Brandon Graham
DE
6-2
270
Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 20
21
Sergio Kindle
LB
6-4
255
Analysis: Production finally matches his talent. Last week: No. 21
22
Jermaine Gresham
TE
6-6
258
Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 22
23
Jerry Hughes
DE
6-3
257
Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 23
24
Sean Weatherspoon
LB
6-2
245
Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 24
25
Patrick Robinson
CB
5-11
193
Analysis: Consistent, even in a tough year. Best over
Jones31
12-16-2009, 09:18 AM
I was reading on one of the Pats boards that Locker is staying at Washington.
gnarl
12-16-2009, 10:04 AM
they were reporting he is staying on espn yesterday too.
TTP77
12-16-2009, 12:05 PM
Locker is def. staying for his senior year.
TTP77
12-24-2009, 07:39 AM
latest 3 round mock from WalterFootball
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
MDK Titan
12-24-2009, 12:46 PM
im all for the convert Taylor Mays into a LB experiment
TTP77
01-14-2010, 08:05 AM
Matt McGuire's updated draft at WalterFootball
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2010matt.php
Southside Tirant
01-20-2010, 03:32 PM
Hey TTP77... Can you post Kiper's Mock draft???
Jones31
01-25-2010, 01:35 PM
1. St. Louis (1-15)
2. Detroit (2-14)
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
4. Washington (4-12)
5. Kansas City (4-12)
6. Seattle (5-11)
7. Cleveland (5-11)
8. Oakland (5-11)
9. Buffalo (6-10)
10t. Denver (acquired from Chicago) (7-9)
10t. Jacksonville (7-9)
12. Miami (7-9)
13. San Francisco (8-8)
14. Seattle (acquired from Denver) (8-8)
15. New York Giants (8-8)
16t. Tennessee (8-8)
16t. San Francisco (acquired from Carolina) (8-8)
18. Pittsburgh (9-7)
19t. Atlanta (9-7)
19t. Houston (9-7)
21. Cincinnati (10-6)
22. New England (10-6)
23. Green Bay (11-5)
24. Philadelphia (11-5)
25. Baltimore (9-7)
26. Arizona (10-6)
27. Dallas (11-5)
28. San Diego (11-5)
29. New York Jets (9-7)
30. Minnesota (12-4)
TTP77
01-28-2010, 05:44 PM
Hey TTP77... Can you post Kiper's Mock draft???
yea sorry I just came to this thread...I was MIA for a while.
AFC South
Houston Texans
Top needs: RB, S, DT, CB, C
First round (20): DT Brian Price
Second-round options (51): RB Joe McKnight, RB Ryan Mathews, S Nate Allen, S DeAndre McDaniel, CB Javier Arenas
Third-round options (81): CB Syd'Quan Thompson, CB Devin McCourty, C Justin Walton
Summary: I have the Texans taking Price as a great value pick at one of their needs, which I don't think are all that far apart in terms of importance. I've said before I can also see them taking Taylor Mays or (almost impossibly) Earl Thomas if available at No. 20. After that I see them looking for a RB who holds on to the ball, then a good cover corner.
Indianapolis Colts
Top needs: OT, ILB, DE, (backup) QB, CB
First round (32): DE Brandon Graham
Second-round options (64): OT Selvish Capers, ILB Brandon Spikes, ILB Sean Lee
Third-round options (95): QB Sean Canfield, OT Edwin Veldheer, CB Myron Lewis
Summary: Graham is just an exceptional value falling to the Colts at No. 32, a perfect student to the Mathis-Freeney combo that has been so effective. The Colts need an ILB and I'm one who feels Spikes could drop because of a lack of top-end speed. If he runs well he'll never fall that far, but if he doesn't, it's a great get. I truly think the team should get a serious option as a backup to Peyton Manning. At least more serious than Curtis Painter. The Colts are so bad without Manning that it has to be considered. Veldheer is a slight reach, but Howard Mudd, the offensive line coach in Indy, is also a Hillsdale grad. Why not?
Jacksonville Jaguars
Top needs: DE, OLB, RB, QB, WR, FB
First round (11): DE Jason Pierre-Paul
Second-round options : No second-round picks
Third-round options (75): OLB Jerry Hughes, OLB Rod Muckelroy, RB James Starks, QB Tim Tebow, WR Dezmon Briscoe
Summary: Pierre-Paul feels like a slam dunk to me in the first. The Jags need a pass-rusher, and Pierre-Paul, while raw, has the chance to become a Mario Williams-like presence as a super-athletic end who makes plays all over. With no Round 2 pick, the Jags could go in multiple directions in Round 3, aiming for top value while still addressing one of a handful of needs. Hughes would be a steal here. I think at this stage Round 3 might be high for Tebow, but the local angle is there, so you never know.
Tennessee Titans
Top needs: OLB, DE, CB, WR, S
First round (17): DE Everson Griffen
Second-round options: No second-round picks
Third-round options (77): LB Daryl Washington, CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB Syd'Quan Thompson, S Larry Asante, WR Eric Decker
Summary: Griffen is an interesting player because he can play a classic defensive end in the 4-3, and some could even imagine him as the interior end in a 3-4. I think he fits really well in Tennessee and the value is a match. I look for the Titans to take the best value at several possible positions in Round 3. Washington is a freakish athlete who can get sideline to sideline as a 4-3 LB, and Asante could provide safety help, or Decker could remind some people of a young Drew Bennett.
TTP77
01-28-2010, 05:46 PM
If anyone wants the full draft lemme know and I'll post it.
TTP77
01-28-2010, 05:48 PM
Some good stuff from Estwick's blog...
I talked to ESPN's Todd McShay this afternoon about the likelihood of the Titans selecting a quarterback in the 2010 draft.
While the Titans have more pressing needs on defense — from the defensive line to the secondary — current backup quarterback Kerry Collins is scheduled to make $5.5 million in base salary next season. At the end of the season, even Collins wasn't sure if he was in the team's future plans.
So here's what McShay said:
"First of all, bringing in another mid-level veteran might be the answer in that situation. Someone who’s willing to deal with that (backup) role but might be good enough to push for a starring job if Vince Young happens to take a step backwards, which could happen.
"When you look at what Tennessee has to do in other areas, I would probably say not before the third round. Maybe somewhere in the fourth round. ... And there are some developmental quarterbacks. It’s not a great class. But I think the problem with this class is that there’s not a lot of elite quarterback prospects. You have Sam Bradford from Oklahoma, Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen. And really, there’s a little bit of a drop off there. I think Texas’ Colt McCoy is a second/third round pick. Tony Pike (Cincinnati) is moving up in that third-round range as well. And then Tim Tebow – in my opinion, no better than a third-round pick, but that’s a discussion in itself.
"You’re looking more at developmental quarterbacks like John Skelton of Fordham, a big, strong-armed quarterback. … Sean Canfield from Oregon State doesn’t have great tools, but he’s got the mind and accuracy. … And even a guy like Jarrett Brown from West Virginia who’s very raw or Dan LeFevour from Central Michigan who has got the tools but needs time to develop. I would expect somewhere in the fourth round range with one of those quarterbacks."
TTP77
01-28-2010, 06:11 PM
For the Pats lover on the board but he's prolly already seen it lol
AFC East
New England Patriots
Top needs: A 3-4 DE, OLB, RB, WR, OL
First round (22): OLB Ricky Sapp
Second-round options (44, 47, 53): DE Greg Hardy, RB Ryan Mathews, OT Charles Brown, LB Sean Weatherspoon, WR Brandon LaFell, WR Damian Williams, QB Tim Tebow
Third-round options: No third-round picks
Summary: The Patriots are set up for a huge weekend, with lots of high-value picks in a deep draft. At No. 22 they get value at their second-biggest need with Sapp (OLB in a 3-4) and then could go after a natural (and versatile) 3-4 DE like Hardy in Round 2. But they also can add a solid RB with Mathews and another good LB before addressing WR with the last of three picks in Round 2. With Julian Edelman's growth behind Wes Welker as a slot guy, I think they could look for a better downfield threat to back up the aging Randy Moss. Williams was in a pro-style offense and could be a good get in the late second. They could also take a good tackle in Round 2 if they don't like the WR value left at that stage. Tebow? He'd be a bad value here, and I highly doubt it, but hey, they have three picks ...
New York Jets
Top needs:WR, DE, S, NT
First round (29): WR Golden Tate
Second-round options (58): DE Corey Wooton, DE Willie Young, DE C.J. Wilson, S Chad Jones
Third-round options: No third-round picks
Summary: The Jets give Mark Sanchez a weapon in the passing game with Tate, who both played in a pro-style offense and has the physicality to fight for the ball -- always a help to a young quarterback. Wooton is likely still on the board late in Round 2, or they can get a guy with a late second-round to mid third-round grade in Young or Wilson. Jones is just one option I like at safety, and he could be around. One thing to keep in mind: It might not be a bad idea for the Jets to find another late gem at RB, because Thomas Jones could be elsewhere, and if either Shonn Greene or Leon Washington gets dinged, they will want some depth.
Buffalo Bills
Top needs:QB, LT, WR, OLB
First round (9): QB Jimmy Clausen
Second-round options (41): OT Charles Brown, Selvish Capers, Mardy Gilyard
Third-round options (72): WR Eric Decker, OT Kyle Calloway, OLB Roddrick Muckelroy
Summary: I really think Clausen's stock will continue to rise as we approach the draft and Buffalo could be glad it took him. He comes from a pro-style offense -- just listen to the reports about guys like Tebow trying to take snaps under center right now -- which was a boon for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez, and he's tough. I think Buffalo should grab a tackle in Round 2, and Brown or Capers might be there. In Round 3 the Bills should either grab a receiver to help take pressure off Lee Evans, or the tackle or OLB that they still need. Two of those three in those two rounds is good.
Miami Dolphins
Top needs:WR, ILB, NT, OLB, S
First round (12): Rolando McClain
Second-round options (43): WR Damian Williams, WR Brandon LaFell, WR/RB Dexter McCluster,
Third-round options (63): DT Vince Oghobaase, DT D'Anthony Smith, OLB Perry Riley, WR Demaryius Thomas, WR Eric Decker
Summary: If the Dolphins get McClain in Round 1, they will get a guy who can make a difference right away. And while the team needs a WR, you can see Miami being a little spooked to draft one so high after its experience with Ted Ginn Jr.. There are some good options available in Round 2, such as Williams or LaFell, or even McCluster, who is like a Darren Sproles but with more pass-catching experience. Oghobaase is a good player with a current grade that could land him safely at No. 63; same with Smith.
TTP77
01-28-2010, 06:33 PM
Latest Big Board from Kiper
Originally Published: January 28, 2010
Mel Kiper's latest 2010 Big Board
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Jr. By Mel Kiper Jr.
ESPN.com
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There aren't many changes this week. That's because with the Senior Bowl practices still going on, and the game itself yet to be played, there hasn't been a chance to break down a lot of the tape that will play a key role in any movement until the NFL combine in late February. I''ll have a new mock soon, and also built early models of team needs and projections of possible picks through the third round -- for the AFC and NFC -- earlier this week, so take a look.
Big Board Bar
1
Ndamukong Suh
DT
6-4
300
Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1
2
Gerald McCoy
DT
6-4
297
Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2
3
Eric Berry
DB
5-11
203
Analysis: Ultimate playmaker in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3
4
Jimmy Clausen
QB
6-3
223
Analysis: Improved through adversity, has under-center experience. Last week: No. 4
5
Sam Bradford
QB
6-4
223
Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; is superaccurate. Last week: No. 5
6
Joe Haden
CB
5-11
190
Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 6
7
Derrick Morgan
DE
6-4
275
Analysis: Solid pass-rusher but stout versus run. Very productive. Last week: No. 7
8
Russell Okung
OT
6-5
300
Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blindside pass-protector. Last week: No. 8
9
Dez Bryant
WR
6-2
220
Analysis: Dynamic receiver and returner. Draft's best downfield threat. Last week: No. 9
10
Rolando McClain
LB
6-4
258
Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 10
11
Earl Thomas
S
5-10
197
Analysis: Athletic safety with cover skills; can contribute immediately. Last week: 11
12
Jason Pierre-Paul
DE
6-5
262
Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher; raw but physically gifted. Last week: No. 12
13
C.J. Spiller
RB
5-11
195
Analysis: Multitalented, versatile, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 13
14
Brian Price
DT
6-2
300
Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc along line. Last week: No. 14
15
Carlos Dunlap
DE
6-6
290
Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 15
16
Aaron Hernandez
TE
6-2
250
Analysis: Great hands and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: No. 16
17
Everson Griffen
DE
6-3
280
Analysis: Supremely talented pass-rusher; has added consistency. Last week: No. 17
18
Anthony Davis
OT
6-6
325
Analysis: Gifted physically, has quick feet and still improving. Last week: No. 18
19
Dan Williams
DT
6-3
327
Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 19
20
Bryan Bulaga
OL
6-6
312
Analysis: His leverage is incredible; one of his biggest assets. Last week: No. 20
21
Taylor Mays
S
6-3
235
Analysis: Stunning physical skills, but struggled on young team. Last week: No. 21
22
Trent Williams
OL
6-5
318
Analysis: Long and strong. Back on Big Board after a long hiatus. Last week: No. 22
23
Brandon Graham
DE
6-2
270
Analysis: Awesome athlete; force off the edge, led nation in TFLs. Last week: No. 23
24
Sergio Kindle
LB
6-4
255
Analysis: Improved all year; prototype 3-4 OLB in NFL. Last week: No. 24
25
Jermaine Gresham
TE
6-6
258
Analysis: Great talent but missed season. Workouts will be big. Last week: No. 25
TTP77
01-28-2010, 06:35 PM
Kiper's 1/20 draft
St. Louis Rams
Record: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Nobody questions that the top need for the Rams is a quarterback. But unless St. Louis trades down -- an extremely difficult proposition on multiple levels -- it shouldn't take a quarterback with its first pick. Suh is maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of doing this. He can be effective immediately for the Rams, and they may address the QB with a trade.
Detroit Lions
Record: 2-14
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
Getting McCoy both fills a big need for the Lions and is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for any team unable to get Suh. McCoy makes his living in opponents' backfields and is such a talent he could have landed in this position last year had he declared as a redshirt sophomore.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Record: 3-13
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
This is very early for a safety to go off the board, but Berry is that kind of talent. A player compared often (not unfairly) to Ed Reed, Berry is a difference-making safety headed to a league that has seen those types (Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders) become more and more prevalent in recent years.
Washington Redskins
Record: 4-12
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.
Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 4-12
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of the two other safeties with first-round grades. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value -- he could step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.
Seattle Seahawks
Record: 5-11
Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia Tech
Many in Seattle will view the offensive line as a greater need, but Morgan fills another huge hole for a team that simply couldn't get to the quarterback in 2009. He represents great value because he can rush the passer, is productive against the run and can even drop back -- a versatile talent. Pete Carroll knows defense and should love what Morgan can offer.
Cleveland Browns
Record: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
I'm not convinced the Browns will be willing to draft a quarterback simply because the position is unsettled. In Haden, they can't go wrong with by far the top CB on the board, a player they can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the total package.
Oakland Raiders
Record: 5-11
Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers
Davis might not be the most complete tackle in the first round just yet, but he is the most naturally gifted and should get better. Great feet, ideal size and he has the ability to maul defenders in the run game. After a whiff in the first round last year, the Raiders should address a big need here.
Buffalo Bills
Record: 6-10
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre Dame
People will debate Clausen's merits long after he shakes the commissioner's hand, but he has continued to improve, has displayed toughness, has an NFL arm and, perhaps most importantly, has experience under center in a pro-style offense. That was a key for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez, and is a huge consideration for scouts.
Denver Broncos (from Chicago)
Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
In all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos will attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game.
Jacksonville Jaguars
Record: 7-9
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
This is no place to draft a guy like Tim Tebow just to sell tickets. Pierre-Paul could be the Mario Williams of this draft class, a raw talent but one with remarkable athleticism and an incredible burst off the line. Could be a terror for QBs in the future and maybe he's local enough for some.
Miami Dolphins
Record:7-9
Rolando McClain*, LB, Alabama
A potential home run for Miami, a team that needs an inside linebacker and could get the best one in the whole draft after the top 10. The Dolphins also could go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here, because they also must address WR.
San Francisco 49ers
Record: 8-8
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
I consider the right tackle position a big need for the 49ers, and getting Williams here should strengthen them immediately both in the run game and as they look to further develop a potentially dangerous passing game with Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.
Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)
Record: 5-11
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
He's not an offensive lineman, but Spiller could be a Reggie Bush-like option for the Seahawks. For a coach uniquely familiar with what Bush can do, Spiller is a missing home run threat in the run game, a good receiver and a valuable returner. Fans will want O-line help, and I'd expect it in Round 2.
New York Giants
Record: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, Florida
This is a high-value pick for the Giants, whose defensive line depth I feel has been overstated. There are makeup questions surrounding Dunlap, but for much of this past season, he was considered the premier pass-rusher in the college game. He has the potential to be like Jevon Kearse -- the healthy version.
San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)
Record: 8-8
Earl Thomas*, S, Texas
The 49ers need help in pass coverage, and Thomas fits because he's a great value here, whereas reaching for a CB at No. 16 wouldn't represent good value at all. Thomas isn't a huge guy but can cover a tremendous amount of real estate.
TTP77
01-28-2010, 06:38 PM
Tennessee Titans 8-8
Everson Griffen*, DE, USC
Pierre-Paul likely won't fall this far, so the Titans get a gifted underclassman who looked like a pro coming out of high school and now is living up to his potential. He already has an NFL frame, and when Griffen is consistent, he's a strong pass-rusher.
Pittsburgh Steelers
Record: 9-7
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
Pittsburgh clearly needs help up front if it wants to return to power running and protecting the quarterback, and Bulaga is an emerging tackle with great feet from a pro-style system. The Steelers will improve immediately, and he wears the black and gold well already.
Atlanta Falcons
Record: 9-7
Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
The Falcons could use some help at OLB, and Kindle's continued improvement throughout the season is appealing. He's not quite in the class of Brian Orakpo, but he is a similar type of player and has proved to be very physical.
Houston Texans
Record: 9-7
Brian Price*, DT, UCLA
Price is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive linemen, but he's a disruptive force who utilizes great leverage. He should add depth to an improving defense.
Cincinnati Bengals
Record: 10-6
Aaron Hernandez*, TE, Florida
They need to give Carson Palmer options in the passing game aside from who already is there, and Hernandez is the most athletic TE available, a guy with surprising run-after-catch ability. The favorite target of Tebow at Florida, he could offer immediate help in the passing game.
New England Patriots
Record: 10-6
Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
The Patriots clearly need help when it comes to getting to opposing quarterbacks, and Sapp is an ideal fit on the edge in the 3-4. He's the kind of athlete who can adjust to being upright and flat-out knows how to get to the quarterback.
Green Bay Packers
Record: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USC
If you had told Green Bay in August that it could get Mays at No. 23 overall, the Packers would have been thrilled. An extraordinary athlete, Mays might have suffered against expectations, but the Pack hit a home run with Clay Matthews Jr. out of USC last year, and Mays both fills a need and has great potential.
Philadelphia Eagles
Record: 11-5
Navorro Bowman*, OLB, Penn State
The Eagles need an athletic OLB, and they get a lot of value by landing Bowman here. Bowman lacks size, but any parsing on measurables can't overcome his great play on film. Could end up as the best at his position in this class.
Baltimore Ravens
Record: 9-7
Jermaine Gresham*, TE, Oklahoma
Gresham is so good that while he sat out his junior year, I left him on the Big Board the whole time. Now healthy, he's a great find this late in the first round and a perfect target for Joe Flacco as an heir to Todd Heap. At a hair over 6-6 and 262 pounds, he's the total package at TE.
Arizona Cardinals
Record: 10-6
Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
I see this position as the second-biggest need for the Cardinals, and Williams is a great value here. Tremendously strong in the lower body, he is a disruptive force against the run.
Dallas Cowboys
Record: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, Maryland
Jerry Jones knows he needs to address the tackle position after the debacle he witnessed against Minnesota in the divisional round of the playoffs, and Campbell, while still learning, is a tremendous talent at this position.
San Diego Chargers
Record: 13-3
Jonathan Dwyer*, RB, Georgia Tech
With the possible departure of LaDainian Tomlinson on the horizon, Dwyer represents the player who can handle 20-plus carries in an offense that already has a great speed back in Darren Sproles. Dwyer has ideal size and shows explosiveness.
New York Jets
Record: 9-7
Golden Tate*, WR, Notre Dame
The Jets must give Mark Sanchez some weapons in the passing game, and while Tate has question marks on his ability to separate, he is more physical than many think and has always been a playmaker. In the mold of Laveranues Coles.
Minnesota Vikings
Record: 12-4
Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Need meets value here. Robinson is the second-best corner in the draft, and Minnesota should be happy to grab him this late. Robinson has the chance to step in and contribute.
New Orleans Saints
Record: 13-3
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
Odrick is an ideal pick here for the Saints, who are looking to add stability to the rush defense. His presence helped standout LBs Bowman and Sean Lee run free up in Happy Valley, and the Saints will ask for the same.
Indianapolis Colts
Record: 14-2
Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
Graham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss as a senior. Always in the backfield, he's a guy who can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition. He's been on my Big Board all year, so a good value this late.
Southside Tirant
01-28-2010, 07:27 PM
Thanks TTP77! I was going to ask you about that other stuff you posted but you read my mind! Weren't one of those mock draft's a 3 or 4 round mock? If you could just post our Titan's picks or if you want to post the whole thing that would be cool too! Im kindof curious to see the later picks more then the early one's!?
Thanks again!
I'v been watching the senior bowl practice's and P.Cox and P.Robinson are pretty special! Robinson is freakeshly fast and Cox is about as good of a cover corner i'v seen in a long time. They are both Ball Hawk's. Also Devin McCourty isn't bad at all either, He might actually be better then Jason McCourty! He's ranked in the top-10 Cb's in the draft this year!
Southside Tirant
01-29-2010, 08:00 AM
Here's something on McCourty from the Senior Bowl, Aparently he's moving up draft boards.
Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
The rangy cover man from Rutgers has quietly generated a buzz in scouting circles with his impressive showing during the week. McCourty's size and athleticism have piqued the interest of teams looking to add "big" corners to their lineups, and his ability to stay with savvy route runners leads some to think that he has the moxie to be a potential starting corner early in his career. Although he must complement his strong Senior Bowl work week with a solid performance at next month's combine, McCourty is rapidly rising up the draft board and may be one of the biggest surprises to emerge from the Senior Bowl.
Is there anyway we can trade back Jason and get Devin?
http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story?id=09000d5d81609fcb&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
gnarl
01-29-2010, 11:17 AM
everytime I turn on the TV the only corner I hear anyone talking about is kyle wilson from Boise State. anyone got on info on him?
MDK Titan
01-29-2010, 01:29 PM
From what Ive seen, hes pretty athletic and even more so hes smart and doesnt rely too much on athleticism.
Titansfan777
01-29-2010, 03:38 PM
Tebow's stock is falling so fast. He is fumbling A LOT under center, his passes are borderline terrible, He is locking on to WR's all the time. He looks just terrible. He probably not even be a top 3 round player (regardless of position) anymore. Clausen, Pike, Robinson, etc all look miles ahead of him.
MDK Titan
01-29-2010, 03:56 PM
Same with Taylor Mays, we might actually get our chance into converting into LB
Titansfan777
01-29-2010, 04:06 PM
Yea he really could be a good LB. He is a LB pretty much that they just threw back at S its starting to seem. It would be pretty cool to have a LB that is fast enough to maybe chase down a guy like CJ tho. Yes, he is that fast. I am calling a 4.3 for him at the combine.
TTP77
02-01-2010, 01:32 PM
Kiper's was just a first round draft. i'll keep looking to see if i can find anything else though Southside!
TTP77
02-01-2010, 02:24 PM
This is pretty interesting
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Final-Senior-Bowl-impressions.html
Parddy
02-02-2010, 08:50 AM
That was a good objective read! Thanks.
Southside Tirant
02-02-2010, 12:44 PM
Kiper's was just a first round draft. i'll keep looking to see if i can find anything else though Southside!
I think your right! I was reading the headline a week ago on ESPN and either Mcshay or Kiper was saying they were going to do a 7 round mock draft! I think he's waiting untill after the combine to do it though.
I was talking to Gary Estwick last week and he seems to think the Titans will overlook Carlos Dunlap's recent problems and pick him if he's available at 16-17! And im ok with that. Dunlap reminds me of Mario Williams in a way! Maybe it's just his size comparason at 6-6 290 lbs. I think Jim Washburn can utilize his talents. Actually if we pick a DE, I either want him or Derrick Morgan!
RegulatRR27
02-02-2010, 12:52 PM
I've heard that Dunlap is very lazy and doesn't dominate the way he should, more so just benefiting from the talent around him
Lazy D-lineman, not Tennessee's style, with or without Washburn's help.
TTP77
02-03-2010, 12:36 PM
IDK if Dunlap will even be available when we pick. He does seem to be red flagged though so it might happen. I do think if they right guy is there we'll go Dline if we can. With safety and/or LB next.
Southside Tirant
02-03-2010, 01:01 PM
IDK if Dunlap will even be available when we pick. He does seem to be red flagged though so it might happen. I do think if they right guy is there we'll go Dline if we can. With safety and/or LB next.
It's the only reason he's not going in the top-5! My big thing with Dunlap is... He's not a trouble maker, He's not a bad kid! He had one mess up with the DUI and it was a horrible decision on his behalf! But with that being said, It's not like he's had multible run-in's with the law. Sometime's people need something like to happen so they can learn from it. Im not a florida homer, But i wouldn't be upset if we picked him either.
TTP77
02-03-2010, 01:11 PM
Well if anyone can take him to the next level Washburn is the guy. lol
I was really hoping McCoy would fall to us but it looks like he's a top 5 pick now. :sad
Southside Tirant
02-10-2010, 08:44 PM
Hey TTP77, I just seen Mcshay has a new 2.0 Mock Draft! Would you post it when you get a chance. Thanks for going out of your way to do all of this!
MDK Titan
02-10-2010, 09:19 PM
Hey TTP77, I just seen Mcshay has a new 2.0 Mock Draft! Would you post it when you get a chance bro. Thanks for going out of your way to do all of this!
TTP77 is a she :thumbsup
gnarl
02-10-2010, 09:47 PM
id really like to get secondary help first. I wouldn't mind a DE later for depth.
Maybe we can sign somebody this offseason for either 2 thou.
Southside Tirant
02-10-2010, 10:44 PM
id really like to get secondary help first. I wouldn't mind a DE later for depth.
Maybe we can sign somebody this offseason for either 2 thou.
The only problem with that is... After Haden there's a big drop-off at the CB position! But i agree with the notion of going after a DE later in the draft, The only reason i say that is if you have a draft "loaded" with D-Lineman (DE's and DT's) and not so much with LB's, CB's and and other positions of need, wouldn't you go after the position that's thin first?
gnarl
02-11-2010, 12:01 AM
i pretty much feel the same way. and if healthy... i do think ford, jones, brown, hayes (yes we need depth) would be a pretty good starting line. ford is a very good pass rusher but needs to work on run stopping. we see what jones can do when healthy & hayes really came into his own this year. Brown is good & proven minus his offsides he seems to enjoy getting.
but i wouldnt mind going for LB thats if keith is coming back. I know their is a drop off in CB but i wouldnt be opposed to getting a saftey either.
Southside Tirant
02-11-2010, 10:35 AM
i pretty much feel the same way. and if healthy... i do think ford, jones, brown, hayes (yes we need depth) would be a pretty good starting line. ford is a very good pass rusher but needs to work on run stopping. we see what jones can do when healthy & hayes really came into his own this year. Brown is good & proven minus his offsides he seems to enjoy getting.
but i wouldnt mind going for LB thats if keith is coming back. I know their is a drop off in CB but i wouldnt be opposed to getting a saftey either.
I'v been thinking alot about player's and position's that would make me happy as a fan and someone that makes sense! And after looking at endless mock drafts, (And you might think im crazy) But the only "DE" i was happy to see us drafting was Carlos Dunlap! And only because... He can be just as good as Mario Williams or better (If he turns his work ethic around). But besides him as i said before, I would want Derrick Morgan, The rest of them just don't feel right to me (Everson Griffen and Jason P. Paul)!
But here was my other thought... How would you all feel about drafting Brandon Spikes, Sergio Kindle or Sean Weatherspoon? (Im not a Florida homer by the way) lol. I was just thinking about how losing Bulluck would leave us without a "Vocal Leader" on defense! And i think Spikes can play any LB position we wanted him to, Not just MLB! And he's a great leader! And honestly i would rather have any of those 3 then anybody else with the exception of Eric Berry and N.Suh. But i think going after one of those three in the 1st round makes more sense then a DE! Then go after a DE or CB in the 3rd and so on. I know Sean Weatherspoon is a outspoken LB, I just don't know how Sergio Kindle is when it comes to being a leader, I just know Kindle can be a DE if LB doesn't work out or the other way around. But the only reason im mentioning all of this is because... S.Tulluch is very quiet and isn't known for communicating with the Defense! So it's just something to think about.
gnarl
02-11-2010, 11:43 AM
I would love to have sean witherspoon or brandon spikes. I don't think sergio would be 4-3 no matter what position he plays.
and tully may not talk much, but I think he is very competitive and tries to lead by example w/ his play.
Southside Tirant
02-11-2010, 12:46 PM
I would love to have sean witherspoon or brandon spikes. I don't think sergio would be 4-3 no matter what position he plays.
and tully may not talk much, but I think he is very competitive and tries to lead by example w/ his play.
I understand that Tully is a great player, But who takes the Headset and leads the Defense? If we lose Bulluck we need someone who can replace commanding the Defense.
TTP77
02-12-2010, 12:42 PM
TTP77 is a she :thumbsup
TY! :lol
I get that a lot ;)
TTP77
02-12-2010, 12:45 PM
I understand that Tully is a great player, But who takes the Headset and leads the Defense? If we lose Bulluck we need someone who can replace commanding the Defense.
I truly think McRath will be able to do it. The kid is smart just needs another offseason in the strength and training program. I think Tulloch is a good player but IMO he is not the guy to wear the helmet. He frustrates me sometimes too b/c I think he tends to over-pursue and rely on his athleticism too much. He absolute got blown up a cpl times last year also. I know he had a bunch of tackles but if you look at the stats are lot of those were made in the secondary and are a function of inability to stop the run at the line. JMO
TTP77
02-12-2010, 12:57 PM
Here's the McShay draft...He has Gerald McCoy going #1...:sad
St. Louis Rams
Record: 1-15
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
The Rams have a poor track record when it comes to drafting defensive linemen early, and now they have a tough choice to make between the stronger, more instinctive Ndamukong Suh and the quicker, more disruptive McCoy. Coach Steve Spagnuolo is looking for defensive linemen who can penetrate, which is why we think McCoy could be the top overall pick.
Detroit Lions
Record: 2-14
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
The Lions will gladly take Suh here. He won't provide the pass-rush production of McCoy, but he is a force versus the run and he consistently disrupts passing windows thanks to his excellent instincts and long arms.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Record: 3-13
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
The Bucs will consider Tennessee S Eric Berry here, but they are in dire need of a speed rusher and Pierre-Paul is the most explosive one this draft class has to offer.
Washington Redskins
Record: 4-12
Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers
Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford has enough physical and mental tools to develop into a good NFL starter eventually. However, he also enters the league with enough question marks (shoulder injury, spread offensive system, etc.) for a team like the Redskins to pass and fill one of several other holes. Solidifying its offensive line should be Washington's top priority, and Davis is the most naturally gifted tackle in this year's deep group. Two other options at tackle are Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Bryan Bulaga (Iowa).
Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 4-12
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Berry could make a huge impact in the Chiefs' secondary as well, but Kansas City has too much work still to do at core positions to spend No. 5 money on a safety. The offensive line needs to be solidified, and that could happen by bringing in Okung, who has a quick first step, good power and a mean streak.
Seattle Seahawks
Record: 5-11
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
Look for Seattle to pass on a quarterback in the top 10 for the second straight year. Finding a replacement for Walter Jones at left tackle is the more immediate need, and the team will get a safer prospect there than at quarterback. Bulaga still has room to improve in pass protection, but he displays the feet and balance to develop into a very good overall starting left tackle in the NFL.
Cleveland Browns
Record: 5-11
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant will be tough to pass up here, but the Browns did spend a pair of second-round picks on WRs Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi last year. Berry has the talent and experience to make the kind of impact for the Browns that perennial Pro Bowler Ed Reed made for the Ravens early in his career.
Oakland Raiders
Record: 5-11
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Considering the team has used high draft picks on a quarterback (JaMarcus Russell), running back (Darren McFadden) and wide receiver (Darrius Heyward-Bey) in recent years, it would make sense to shift the focus to the offensive line this April. Both of the Raiders' starting offensive tackles (Mario Henderson and Cornell Green) are below average, and Williams has the physical tools and toughness to provide an upgrade at one of those two spots immediately.
Buffalo Bills
Record: 6-11
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Offensive tackle and quarterback are chief among the Bills' needs, and they should draft a tackle if Davis, Okung or Bulaga is available. This scenario has them selecting the top quarterback prospect in the 2010 class, though. Bradford is a bit of a project because of his slight frame and the spread system he played in at Oklahoma, but he has the football intelligence and accuracy to be molded into a good starter in the NFL.
Jacksonville Jaguars**
Record: 7-9
Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia Tech
Morgan will not wow scouts with his results at the combine, but he is a high-motor, technically sound player who can pressure the quarterback and set the edge against the run. He has the physical tools to develop into a good every-down starter at the next level.
Denver Broncos** (from 7-9 Chicago)
Record: 6-7
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
Denver still has needs along its offensive and defensive fronts as well as in the secondary, but it will be tough to pass on the clear-cut No. 1 wideout in this year's class should Bryant fall to the Broncos.
Miami Dolphins
Record: 7-9
Rolando McClain*, ILB, Alabama
Bryant falling to No. 12 would be a dream scenario for the Dolphins, but if he is off the board, look for Miami to target a top talent in the defensive front seven. McClain is NFL-ready with the size, straight-line speed and work ethic to win a starting inside linebacker job immediately.
San Francisco 49ers
Record: 8-8
Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
The 49ers could go in several directions with this pick, including quarterback, offensive line or a pass-rusher, but they wouldn't go wrong taking a top-10 skill player like Haden at this spot.
Seattle Seahawks (from 8-8 Denver)
Record: 5-11
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen might be a possibility here, but we do not believe he's worthy of a first-round selection. After finding a left tackle at No. 6, it would make sense for the Seahawks to use this pick on a difference-maker like Spiller. Running backs generally are not worth drafting this high, but Spiller has additional value due to his home run ability as a receiver and return man.
New York Giants
Record: 8-8
Brian Price*, DT, UCLA
The Giants need to retool the middle of their defense, and Price would be a good player to start with. He possesses the quickness and power to develop into a disruptive playmaker who can get into opposing backfields.
San Francisco** (from 8-8 Carolina)
Record: 8-8
Mike Iupati, OT/G, Idaho
Iupati is a fast-rising guard/right tackle prospect who is strong and nasty and would fit in nicely with coach Mike Singletary's hard-nosed brand of football.
Tennessee Titans**
Record: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, Florida
Dunlap is a bit immature and there are questions about his work ethic, but he also possesses a rare combination of size and athleticism for a defensive end. The Titans have enough veteran leadership on that side of the ball to pull the trigger here on a developmental project like Dunlap.
Pittsburgh Steelers
Record: 9-7
Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
The Steelers would like to use this pick on a top offensive line prospect like Iupati or Trent Williams, but with both off the board, they will avoid reaching for another offensive lineman. They also will avoid stretching for a tackle like Maryland's Bruce Campbell to go for value with Dan Williams, who has the size and strength to develop into the eventual replacement for NT Casey Hampton, who is set to become a free agent.
Atlanta Falcons**
Record: 9-7
Kareem Jackson*, CB, Alabama
The Falcons need to improve their secondary talent after getting shredded through the air this past season. Jackson is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2010 class, and has the size, agility and balance to hold up in bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter. Plus, Jackson's instincts and technique are outstanding, so he should be ready to play as a rookie despite leaving school a year early.
Houston Texans**
Record: 9-7
Earl Thomas*, S, Texas
Thomas is undersized but physical enough to play safety in the NFL if used properly. Regardless, he's one of the three most talented defensive backs in the 2010 class, and the Texans could use an upgrade at both free safety and cornerback, so Thomas is a fit no matter where he ends up playing.
Cincinnati Bengals
Record:10-6
Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
The Bengals are likely to use an early-round selection on a tight end, and while Gresham is a risk due to knee injuries (torn left ACL in high school, season-ending cartilage damage to right knee in 2009), his combination of size and athleticism is rare and he can stretch the seam effectively.
New England Patriots
Record: 10-6
Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
Graham is a bit undersized to play a traditional defensive end role, and he does not have the ideal athleticism you want in an outside linebacker. If used properly, though, Graham can excel in the NFL, and he appears to be in Bill Belichick's wheelhouse with his nonstop motor, excellent technique and good overall football intelligence.
TTP77
02-12-2010, 12:58 PM
Green Bay Packers
Record: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, Maryland
Campbell will turn some heads with his performance at the combine. However, while he might have the best combination of physical tools in this year's offensive tackle class, we expect Campbell to slip to the bottom half of the first round due to injury concerns and below-average technique.
Philadelphia Eagles
Record: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USC
The Eagles need a replacement for the physical presence former defensive leader Brian Dawkins took with him when he left for Denver. Mays is a bit of a liability in deep coverage and he needs to learn to wrap up more consistently as a tackler, but it is hard to imagine a player with his combination of size, straight-line speed and explosive hitting falling out of the first round.
Baltimore Ravens
Record: 9-7
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
Wilson is a fast-rising prospect after showcasing his upper-echelon bump-and-run coverage skills at the Senior Bowl. A cornerback-needy team like the Ravens could easily pull the trigger on Wilson late in the first round.
Arizona Cardinals
Record: 10-6
Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas
Kindle is a bit overrated, but we do think he is worth a pick at this point in the first round. The Cardinals could put him to work as a situational edge rusher early in his career while he works on getting bigger and stronger in order to hold up better versus the run.
Dallas Cowboys
Record: 11-5
Nate Allen, S, South Florida
Allen is far from a first-round lock, but the Cowboys need to improve their athleticism at safety, and Allen has the right combination of speed and fluidity in coverage to help fix the problem.
San Diego Chargers
Record: 13-3
Jahvid Best*, RB, California
Best's draft stock could take a big hit depending on how the medical reports (back/neck, concussion) from the combine look. Assuming he checks out, Best likely will be high on the Chargers' board, along with Dan Williams, fellow RBs Ryan Mathews (Fresno State) and Jonathan Dwyer (Georgia Tech), and DT/DE Jared Odrick (Penn State). A healthy Best gets the nod thanks to his game-breaking speed.
New York Jets
Record: 9-7
Arrelious Benn*, WR, Illinois
The Jets need perimeter weapons for QB Mark Sanchez to throw to, and Benn is a better prospect than his 2009 production might indicate. He played through a nagging ankle injury and his quarterback was inconsistent, but Benn shows good initial burst and the ability to generate yards after the catch. Still, he needs to be more consistent catching the ball away from his body and must become a more savvy route runner.
Minnesota Vikings
Record: 12-4
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
The Vikings have proved they will take the best player available on the board, and in this scenario, Odrick fits the bill and would be groomed as an eventual replacement for aging DT Pat Williams. Other possibilities include Clausen, ILB Brandon Spikes (Florida), TE Anthony McCoy (USC) and C/G Maurkice Pouncey (Florida).
Indianapolis Colts
Record: 14-2
Maurkice Pouncey*, OL, Florida
Odrick would make sense if he was still on the board, or the Colts could reach for an athletic offensive tackle like USC's Charles Brown. But Pouncey is a gifted interior lineman with the quick feet, versatility and football intelligence to help the Colts solidify their interior offensive line.
New Orleans Saints
Record: 13-3
Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri
Weatherspoon is expected to turn some heads at the combine with his speed, and we're hearing that some teams grade him out as a mid-first-round pick. We're not quite as high on Weatherspoon because we question his ability to play in space, but the Super Bowl champs are expected to focus on upgrading the speed and athleticism of their defense, and Weatherspoon fits the mold.
TTP77
02-12-2010, 01:37 PM
Here is the latest big board...
1
Ndamukong Suh
DT
6-4
300
Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1
2
Gerald McCoy
DT
6-4
297
Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2
3
Eric Berry
DB
5-11
203
Analysis: Ultimate playmaker in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3
4
Sam Bradford
QB
6-4
223
Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; is super accurate. Last week: No. 5
5
Joe Haden
CB
5-11
190
Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 6
6
Jimmy Clausen
QB
6-3
223
Analysis: Polished; overcame adversity; under-center experience. Last week: No. 4
7
Derrick Morgan
DE
6-4
275
Analysis: Solid pass-rusher but stout versus run. Very productive. Last week: No. 7
8
Dez Bryant
WR
6-2
220
Analysis: Dynamic receiver and returner. Draft's best downfield threat. Last week: No. 9
9
Rolando McClain
LB
6-4
258
Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 10
10
Russell Okung
OT
6-5
300
Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blindside pass-protector. Last week: No. 8
11
Jason Pierre-Paul
DE
6-5
262
Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher; raw but physically gifted. Last week: No. 12
12
C.J. Spiller
RB
5-11
195
Analysis: Multitalented, versatile, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 13
13
Brian Price
DT
6-2
300
Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc along line. Last week: No. 17
14
Anthony Davis
OT
6-6
325
Analysis: Gifted physically, has quick feet and still improving. Last week: No. 19
15
Earl Thomas
S
5-10
197
Analysis: Athletic safety with cover skills; can contribute immediately. Last week: No. 11
16
Sergio Kindle
LB
6-4
255
Analysis: Improved all year; prototype 3-4 OLB in NFL. Last week: No. 21
17
Trent Williams
OL
6-5
318
Analysis: Long and strong. Can help immediately at RT. Last week: No. 24
18
Carlos Dunlap
DE
6-6
290
Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 15
19
Dan Williams
DT
6-3
327
Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 14
20
Everson Griffen
DE
6-3
280
Analysis: Supremely talented pass-rusher; has added consistency. Last week: No. 18
21
Brandon Graham
DE
6-2
270
Analysis: Awesome athlete; force off the edge; led nation in TFLs. Last week: No. 20
22
Kyle Wilson
CB
5-10
186
Analysis: Solid cover corner, with added return skills. Last week: No. 23
23
Bryan Bulaga
OL
6-6
312
Analysis: His incredible leverage is a big asset. Last week: No. 22
24
Aaron Hernandez
TE
6-2
250
Analysis: Great hands and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: No. 16
25
Terrence Cody
DT
6-3
373
Analysis: Block-occupying clogger; ideal 3-4 DT. Last week: NR
TTP77
02-12-2010, 01:43 PM
Here's the latest player rankings from Scouts Inc.
All Ranked Players
NAME POS HT WT SCHOOL GRADE POS RANK OVR RANK
Ndamukong Suh DT 6'3⅞" 295 Nebraska 98 1 1
Gerald McCoy DT 6'3½" 296 Oklahoma 97 2 2
Eric Berry S 5'11¼" 204 Tennessee 97 1 3
Anthony Davis OT 6'5½" 328 Rutgers 96 1 4
Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6'5½" 263 South Florida 96 1 5
Joe Haden CB 5'11⅜" 191 Florida 96 1 6
Russell Okung OT 6'8" 299 Oklahoma State 95 2 7
Derrick Morgan DE 6'4" 268 Georgia Tech 95 2 8
Bryan Bulaga OT 6'6" 311 Iowa 94 3 9
Dez Bryant WR 6'2" 217 Oklahoma State 94 1 10
Sam Bradford QB 6'4" 214 Oklahoma 94 1 11
Rolando McClain ILB 6'3½" 245 Alabama 94 1 12
C.J. Spiller RB 5'10¾" 196 Clemson 94 1 13
Trent Williams OT 6'5" 306 Oklahoma 93 4 14
Earl Thomas S 5'11" 198 Texas 93 2 15
Carlos Dunlap DE 6'5¾" 293 Florida 93 3 16
Mike Iupati OG 6'5¼" 330 Idaho 93 1 17
Brandon Graham OLB 6'0¾" 274 Michigan 93 1 18
Brian Price DT 6'1⅞" 303 UCLA 93 3 19
Bruce Campbell OT 6'6¼" 312 Maryland 92 5 20
Kareem Jackson CB 5'11" 195 Alabama 92 2 21
Dan Williams DT 6'2" 311 Tennessee 92 4 22
Sergio Kindle OLB 6'4" 236 Texas 92 2 24
Jermaine Gresham TE 6'6" 262 Oklahoma 92 1 25
Brandon Spikes ILB 6'3" 252 Florida 91 2 26
Kyle Wilson CB 5'9½" 184 Boise State 91 3 27
Jared Odrick DT 6'4" 306 Penn State 91 5 28
Navorro Bowman OLB 6'1½" 231 Penn State 91 3 29
Jahvid Best RB 5'9¾" 198 California 90 2 30
Anthony McCoy TE 6'4⅝" 245 USC 90 2 31
Maurkice Pouncey OC 6'4¾" 316 Florida 90 1 32
Everson Griffen DE 6'3" 272 USC 90 4 33
Nate Allen S 6'1" 206 South Florida 90 3 34
Arrelious Benn WR 6'1⅝" 221 Illinois 89 2 35
Ricky Sapp DE 6'4" 245 Clemson 89 5 36
Jimmy Clausen QB 6'2¾" 217 Notre Dame 89 2 37
Taylor Mays S 6'3" 236 USC 89 4 38
Sean Weatherspoon OLB 6'1" 246 Missouri 88 4 39
Perrish Cox CB 6'0" 192 Oklahoma State 88 4 40
Charles Brown OT 6'5¼" 285 USC 88 6 41
Rob Gronkowski TE 6'5¼" 263 Arizona 88 3 42
Ryan Mathews RB 5'10¾" 223 Fresno State 88 3 43
Dezmon Briscoe WR 6'2½" 205 Kansas 87 3 44
Devin McCourty CB 5'10 190 Rutgers 87 5 45
Patrick Robinson CB 5'11⅛" 192 Florida State 86 6 46
Arthur Jones DT 6'3" 302 Syracuse 86 6 47
Demaryius Thomas WR 6'3" 225 Georgia Tech 86 4 48
Chad Jones S 6'2½" 225 LSU 85 5 49
Damian Williams WR 6'0¾" 194 USC 85 5 50
Jonathan Dwyer RB 5'11⅛" 234 Georgia Tech 85 4 51
TTP77
02-12-2010, 01:45 PM
Thaddeus Gibson OLB 6'2½" 245 Ohio State 85 5 52
Sean Lee ILB 6'2" 238 Penn State 84 3 53
Aaron Hernandez TE 6'2¼" 252 Florida 84 4 54
Golden Tate WR 5'11" 194 Notre Dame 84 6 55
Mike Williams WR 6'2⅛" 206 Syracuse 83 7 56
Colt McCoy QB 6'3" 211 Texas 83 3 57
Alex Carrington DE 6'5" 278 Arkansas State 83 6 58
Chris Cook CB 6'2⅛" 203 Virginia 83 7 59
Jon Asamoah OG 6'3½" 305 Illinois 83 2 60
Mardy Gilyard WR 5'11⅞" 182 Cincinnati 82 9 61
Dexter McCluster RB 5'7½" 163 Mississippi 82 5 62
Ed Dickson TE 6'3¾" 245 Oregon 81 5 63
Montario Hardesty RB 5'11⅛" 204 Tennessee 81 6 65
Amari Spievey CB 6'0" 191 Iowa 81 8 66
Larry Asante S 5'11⅞" 210 Nebraska 81 6 67
Selvish Capers OT 6'4⅝" 293 West Virginia 81 7 68
Eric Decker WR 6'3⅛" 207 Minnesota 81 8 69
Brandon LaFell WR 6'2⅜" 207 LSU 80 10 70
Lamarr Houston DT 6'1" 282 Texas 80 7 71
Tony Pike QB 6'5⅞" 209 Cincinnati 79 4 72
Taylor Price WR 6'0⅜" 201 Ohio 79 11 73
Zane Beadles OG 6'4⅛" 303 Utah 79 4 74
Terrence Cody DT 6'3⅝" 373 Alabama 79 8 75
Corey Wooton DE 6'6⅛" 272 Northwestern 79 8 76
Donovan Warren CB 6'0" 185 Michigan 79 9 77
Tyson Alualu DT 6'2¼" 291 California 78 9 78
Javier Arenas CB 5'8½" 192 Alabama 78 10 79
Jason Worilds OLB 6'2" 262 Virginia Tech 78 6 80
Rodger Saffold OT 6'4½" 304 Indiana 78 8 81
Dennis Pitta TE 6'4½" 246 Brigham Young 78 6 82
Riley Cooper WR 6'3" 213 Florida 78 12 83
Brandon Lang DE 6'3⅜" 252 Troy 77 7 84
Reshad Jones S 6'2" 215 Georgia 77 7 85
Darryl Sharpton ILB 5'11⅛" 237 Miami (FL) 77 4 86
Jerry Hughes OLB 6'1¾" 252 TCU 76 7 87
Joe McKnight RB 5'11⅞" 191 USC 76 7 88
Daryl Washington ILB 6'1½" 215 TCU 76 5 89
D'Anthony Smith DT 6'2⅛" 307 Louisiana Tech 76 10 90
Tim Tebow QB 6'3" 246 Florida 76 5 91
Jordan Shipley WR 5'11⅞" 190 Texas 76 13 92
Dominique Franks CB 6'0" 192 Oklahoma 75 11 93
Greg Hardy DE 6'4" 261 Mississippi 75 9 94
Andre Roberts WR 5'10⅞" 179 Citadel 75 14 95
Jevan Snead QB 6'2½" 217 Mississippi 75 6 96
Tony Washington OT 6'6⅛" 300 Abilene Christian 74 9 97
Michael Neal DT 6'2⅞" 300 Purdue 74 11 98
Jermaine Cunningham OLB 6'3" 251 Florida 73 8 99
Dorin Dickerson TE 6'1⅜" 225 Pittsburgh 73 7 100
sorry that didn't copy and paste all that well....lol
TTP77
02-12-2010, 01:56 PM
Good article on CB's. Reference to Jason McCourty's bro in there
CB class loaded with high picks
Posted by Kevin Weidl, Scouts Inc.
New Orleans Saints CB Tracy Porter was a second-round pick out of Indiana in 2008, and his game-clinching interception of Indianapolis Colts QB Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV was a perfect example of the value solid cover corners have in the NFL.
Porter did a great job recognizing the situation and anticipating and jumping the route of Colts WR Reggie Wayne, and he showed the closing burst, ball skills and finishing speed teams covet in their cornerbacks.
Unlike other skill positions at which teams can find hidden gems in the middle or late rounds -- such as running back or quarterback -- starting cornerbacks almost always seem to come from the early rounds. The good news for NFL defenses is that this year there are seven corners we project as first- or second-round picks who could become starters early in their careers. Here's our breakdown of that group:
Joe Haden is the most complete package in the 2010 CB class.
Joe Haden, Florida (5-foot-11⅜, 191 pounds); Scouts Inc. grade: 96 -- Haden is the best cover man in the 2010 class. He is physical in coverage, flips his hips easily and is smooth changing directions, and he makes plays in run support as well. He will be the first corner off the board and should be gone in the first 10 picks.
Kareem Jackson, Alabama (5-11, 195); Grade: 92 -- Jackson always puts himself in good position. He plays with balance and keeps his feet underneath him, and his excellent change-of-direction skills help him break on out routes quickly. Jackson also has good ball skills and should be drafted in the middle of the first round.
Kyle Wilson, Boise State (5-9½. 184); Grade: 91 -- Wilson has moved into the late-first-round discussion with a tremendous showing during Senior Bowl week. His hips and closing burst are very quick, and he shows good instincts.
Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State (6-foot, 192); Grade: 88 -- Cox also showed well at the Senior Bowl. He and Wilson have the quickest hips in this year's class, and Cox plays the ball extremely well. Some off-the-field baggage will likely keep him out of the first round, but Cox certainly has all the physical tools.
Devin McCourty, Rutgers (5-10⅛, 190) -- He does not excel in any one area, but there are really no holes in McCourty's game. He has good technique, quick feet, plays the ball well and plays bigger than his size because he is always in good position. McCourty also brings special-teams value as a returner, gunner and kick-blocker, and he is solidly in the top half of the second round.
Patrick Robinson, Florida State (5-11⅛, 192); Grade: 86 -- Robinson has jaw-dropping physical tools, including exceptional closing burst and extremely good recovery speed. His instincts, discipline and overall awareness are inconsistent, though, and he is prone to getting caught on play-action and double moves. Likely a mid-second-rounder.
Chris Cook, Virginia (6-2⅛, 203); Grade: 83 -- Cook is an intriguing prospect who reminds us of former Utah and current Miami Dolphins CB Sean Smith. He's a big, physical corner who is at his best in press coverage and uses his hands and size to disrupt receivers at the line of scrimmage. He also shows fluid hips for his size, can mirror receivers underneath and has the ability to high-point the ball down the field, but there are questions about his recovery speed.
TTP77
02-12-2010, 01:58 PM
Another one on DE's
Fast-rising linemen shake up mock daft
Posted by Steve Muench, Scouts Inc.
Scouts Inc. released Todd McShay's first mock draft way back on Dec. 15, just before the start of bowl season. The first update was posted Feb. 10 and a lot has changed over the course of nearly two months.
Several prospects have moved up and down the board after the completion of the college all-star circuit and more film evaluation. Here's a look at three prospects whose stock has risen the fastest in recent weeks.
Rare burst off the edge has Jason Pierre-Paul stalking the top of the draft board.
South Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul (6-foot-5½, 236 pounds); Scouts Inc. grade: 96 -- Pierre-Paul moved up from the No. 15 slot in the first mock draft and has supplanted Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan as the No. 3 pick at this point.
Morgan seems to be the safer pick since he finished with six more sacks than Pierre-Paul this season; plus, because Pierre-Paul played only one year at the FBS level, some might worry that he is a flash in the pan. However, based on our film evaluation, we believe Pierre-Paul has greater upside as a pass-rusher despite Morgan's superior production.
Pierre-Paul has prototypical initial quickness and closing speed for an NFL edge rusher and maximizes that gift by getting under the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle and bending back inside, which cuts down the angle to the quarterback. He's not a one-dimensional speed rusher, either, as he's shown the ability to set offensive tackles up to the outside before shooting back inside. He also flashes effective power moves, and there is a lot to like about his frame and upside as a run-stopper.
Iowa OT Bryan Bulaga (6-6, 311); Grade: 94 -- Bulaga jumps from No. 20 to No. 6 in large part because he appears far more comfortable in pass protection on the left side than Oklahoma's Trent Williams.
Bulaga isn't as explosive or as athletic as Rutgers OT Anthony Davis (No. 4 overall to Washington), but Bulaga is quick enough to prevent edge rushers from turning the corner and shows excellent balance when forced to change directions quickly. Bulaga also has the frame, strength and toughness to develop into an effective drive blocker.
Bulaga could continue to climb and jump ahead of Oklahoma State OT Russell Okung, who played well enough to be an early first-round pick but did not dominate the point of attack as we expected. Bulaga is also helped by the changes to the final draft order, which now has three teams with significant need at offensive tackle among the top six overall picks.
Idaho OT/G Mike Iupati (6-5¼, 330); Grade: 93 -- Iupati failed to crack the first mock draft but is at No. 16 overall in the latest version thanks to a strong showing both in the Humanitarian Bowl and during Senior Bowl week.
Iupati has passed Vladimir Ducasse of UMass as our No. 1 guard prospect because Ducasse showed at the Senior Bowl that he is a developmental prospect while Iupati displayed the ability to start at guard as a rookie and/or push for playing time at right tackle.
Iupati is a tenacious run-blocker who locks on to defenders with his big hands, keeps his legs under him and drives defensive tackles off the ball. He has room for improvement in his footwork as a pass-blocker, especially if he moves to right tackle. But he gets set quickly, and his wide frame makes it that much harder for edge rushers to turn the corner against him.
TTP77
02-12-2010, 02:03 PM
I think this site is really good for looking at draft prospects. Plus what he said about McShay's draft is pretty darn funny...:lol
http://walterfootball.com/
Southside Tirant
02-12-2010, 07:41 PM
TY! :lol
I get that a lot ;)
Im sorry~ I should had figured since your so nice. :doh
Southside Tirant
02-17-2010, 02:41 PM
Hey TTP77! I hate asking you to do this again, But i just seen Kiper has a new Mock! Will you post it whenever you get time. Your the best female i'v ever communicated with, lol.
TTP77
02-18-2010, 11:57 AM
Im sorry~ I should had figured since your so nice. :doh
lol, no worries my friend. :)
I will post that mock in a few....glad to do it. ha :lol
TTP77
02-18-2010, 12:01 PM
St. Louis Rams
Record: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Clearly, the Rams need to figure out who will take the snaps, and it'll be interesting to see whether they are overwhelmed by one of the QB options. But unless St. Louis trades down -- which is always difficult given the economics of the draft -- Suh is a safe pick. As I've said before, on film he's maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen. He can help immediately. Oddly, for a player so highly thought of, Suh may be even more versatile than some think.
Detroit Lions
Record: 2-14
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
McCoy or Suh will be a welcome sight for the Lions with the second pick, and McCoy is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for any team unable to get Suh. He's simply not that far behind the former Cornhusker in the eyes of personnel people. McCoy is highly disruptive and an ideal player to use as an attacking defensive tackle in a 4-3 scheme.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Record: 3-13
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
People will continue to debate the merits of taking a safety so high, but Berry is an exception to any rule. He could be the next to join the class of true difference-makers at the safety position with the likes of Troy Polamalu, Ed Reed (the most frequent comparison) and Bob Sanders. Berry is outstanding in coverage and far more physical than his size would indicate.
Washington Redskins
Record: 4-12
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre Dame
Clausen will gain momentum after the combine. Once he's fully recovered from his toe surgery, he'll show teams he can make the throws, but there's more to it. His intelligence, competitiveness and toughness will impress personnel people, and his stock will rise. Clausen has under-center experience and was as close to mistake-free as he could be given his surroundings this past season.
Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 4-12
Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Davis has the physical talent to be a Pro Bowl player early in his career, but he's still developing. Still, given a choice, the Chiefs can't pass on his upside, which is as high as any player's in the draft. A potential Walter Jones-like presence, if his development continues. The Chiefs also could move Branden Albert to the right side.
Seattle Seahawks
Record: 5-11
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
The bottom line on Bradford: This quarterback has 10-point accuracy and could very well have gone ahead of Matthew Stafford as the No. 1 pick last year. He will have a chance to prove to many scouts he's still the elite prospect many believe him to be. It's fair to doubt him, but his talent is unquestionable.
Cleveland Browns
Record: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
Haden has the chance to be a top-five player at his position very quickly. He also fits an immediate need for Cleveland and is easily the top cornerback on the board, a player it can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the total package.
Oakland Raiders
Record: 5-11
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
Like Anthony Davis, Pierre-Paul has as much upside as any player in the draft. He's still raw by NFL standards but could contribute quickly just based on incredible athleticism. Once his pass-rushing skills are refined, he's a game-changer.
Buffalo Bills
Record: 6-10
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
The Bills should race to the podium as the Redskins did last year when Brian Orakpo landed in their laps. Significant need meets fantastic value here, with Okung being able to step in right away and help a weak offensive line.
Denver Broncos (from Chicago)
Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
Obviously, a lot depends on whether Brandon Marshall is expected to be back come draft time, but if he isn't, this pick is a winner. You fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12; he's a weapon in the passing game.
Jacksonville Jaguars
Record: 7-9
Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia Tech
In the first mock, I had Pierre-Paul in this spot, but his rising stock moves him up the board. Morgan certainly hasn't fallen as a prospect and should be snatched up quickly by the pass-rush-deficient Jags. He's as productive and versatile a player as there is in the draft.
Miami Dolphins
Record:7-9
Rolando McClain*, LB, Alabama
A great get for Miami, a team that needs an inside linebacker and could get the best one in the draft after the top 10. I mentioned before that the Dolphins also could go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here, because they also must address their need at wide receiver. Problem is after Bryant, there's a value gap. If McClain and Bryant are gone here, a trade down the board could be considered.
San Francisco 49ers
Record: 8-8
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
In Spiller, the 49ers can add a player who complements Frank Gore in a way I don't think Glen Coffee can. Spiller is a home run threat and should spell Gore and diversify the offense. He also provides an upgrade in the return game.
Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)
Record: 5-11
Everson Griffen*, DE, USC
Seattle could use help on its O-line, but Griffen fills a significant need for pass-rush help here. The Seahawks will take a serious value hit if they select an offensive tackle here with Okung and Davis already off the board. Griffen also has a great size-speed combination, ideal on the edge of a 4-3.
New York Giants
Record: 8-8
Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
Kindle is a need pick for the Giants, who must get stronger in their linebacking corps and could use a little more help with situational pass-rushing than some think. Kindle will need to overcome size issues -- another way of saying he simply could add some bulk to a long (6-4) frame -- but he's proven far sturdier against the run than many who also can rush the passer.
San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)
Record: 8-8
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Considering how good Williams is, even at a position that normally doesn't draw high-to-mid first-round picks, getting him here would be of solid value. Williams could step in immediately at right tackle, and the 49ers would upgrade up front.
TTP77
02-18-2010, 12:01 PM
Tennessee Titans
Record: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, Florida
At a certain point, even questions surrounding a player's makeup can't overcome the talent, and getting a player like Dunlap at this stage is hard to question. With exceptional size and top-end athleticism for a defensive end, Dunlap should help disrupt opposing passers early in his career.
Pittsburgh Steelers
Record: 9-7
Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
Iupati was one of the breakout stars at the Senior Bowl. He fits what Pittsburgh likes as an athletic but powerful guard who should help return the Steelers' running game to the upper half of the league. Steve Hutchinson comparisons are legitimate. (Hutchinson went No. 17 overall in the 2001 draft.)
Atlanta Falcons
Record: 9-7
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
Wilson is another player who jumped at the Senior Bowl. He's fluid, excellent in coverage and an immediate help on special teams. Wilson had a quiet season, but great cornerbacks often do. He simply wasn't challenged enough. Stock is now back on the rise.
Houston Texans
Record: 9-7
Brian Price*, DT, UCLA
One of the guys who carries over with the same team from the first mock. Price is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive linemen, but he's a disruptive force who uses great leverage. He should help a defense that's really close to being very good.
Cincinnati Bengals
Record: 10-6
Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
Here's the big riser of the past couple of weeks. Thomas will be red-hot after the workouts get going. He's a big target (6-3, 225 pounds) and a downfield threat. He averaged more than 25 yards per catch and remained productive in a run-based offense based. Carson Palmer needs weapons, and Thomas can be one.
New England Patriots
Record: 10-6
Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
If production were all that mattered, Graham would be long gone by now. He led the FBS in tackles for loss and showed why at the Senior Bowl. Always in the backfield, he's an ideal outside linebacker for the Patriots' system, a terror against both the run and the pass.
Green Bay Packers
Record: 11-5
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
The more you listen to Green Bay's people, the more you get the sense that keeping Aaron Rodgers upright is a major priority, and it should be, because seeing an MVP-level talent knocked out because of a lack of protection is a sad thought. Bulaga can help immediately, and he has room to grow.
Philadelphia Eagles
Record: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USC
The Eagles are looking for that heir to Brian Dawkins, a physical safety who can scare opposing receivers and contribute to the rush defense. Mays has everything you could ask for as a physical package. He had a bad season, and there are legit concerns, but Mays still reeks of top-level NFL athleticism. He just needs to put it together.
Baltimore Ravens
Record: 9-7
Arrelious Benn*, WR, Illinois
Every indication out of Baltimore is that this organization is committed to finding pieces that can help Joe Flacco. If Benn shows scouts he has the necessary speed, everything else is there. He is physical, can run after the catch and can even help in the return game.
Arizona Cardinals
Record: 10-6
Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
I kept Williams here as a solid remedy to fill the Cardinals' second-biggest need. Just a tremendously strong player, starting with exceptional drive from his lower body, Williams is a disruptive force against the run and is a great help to linebackers.
Dallas Cowboys
Record: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, Maryland
Cowboys fans with bad memories of getting thrashed up front in the playoffs should be thrilled to get a talent like Campbell right here. Campbell should see his stock rise at the combine, where his athleticism will be on display. If the Cowboys are serious about addressing their biggest need, this is the direction they need to go.
San Diego Chargers
Record: 13-3
Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama
As I explained earlier this week, I expect to see Cody's stock rise because he may be the purest example in this draft of a guy who, limitations aside, specifically fits a scheme. Cody is the prototype block-occupying clogger in a 3-4 scheme. You can question his weight or his versatility, but he can make other players better. Remember, Jamal Williams' injury is a factor here.
New York Jets
Record: 9-7
Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
The Jets could use some receiving help for Mark Sanchez here as well, but McCourty is a guy whose stock could skyrocket if he runs the way many think he will. The Jets can get exposed when passers throw away from Darrelle Revis, and McCourty could be the answer on the other side.
Minnesota Vikings
Record: 12-4
Maurkice Pouncey, G/C, Florida
The Vikings could use help on the interior of their offensive line, and Pouncey has a first-round grade as a guard, which makes him an outstanding player. The Vikes did well when they looked to Gainesville in the first round last year.
Indianapolis Colts
Record: 14-2
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
One of the areas in which Indy could use help is along the interior of its defensive line, and Odrick can help the linebackers run free and be disruptive in his own right. Like Williams at No. 26, a great talent buried a little bit in a deep class of defensive linemen.
New Orleans Saints
Record: 14-2
Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri
Weatherspoon fits like a glove for the Saints as an outside linebacker in 4-3 system. He has ideal size for the position and is a tackling machine. Weatherspoon has the speed and experience to play inside or out, so adding versatility is also a good value proposition.
Southside Tirant
02-18-2010, 12:50 PM
Thats one of the better mocks i'v seen! I like every pick with the exception of the amount of O-Lineman going in the 1st. It seems kind of messed up that Jason Mcourty goes in the 6th round to us and Devin is now a projected 1st round pick!
But i still stand by what i said earlier... I love the Carlos Dunlap pick more then any other DE in this years draft and if not him i'd be thrilled with Sergio Kindle, Sean Weatherspoon, Brandon Spikes or even the second best CB whoever that might be! I honestly believe Brandon Spikes will be better then Rolando McClain from day one, And i think Kindle will be able to play LB in any scheme 4-3 or 3-4! So i guess those are the 4 players im going to be praying we get on draft day.
TTP77
02-18-2010, 12:57 PM
This year looks to be one of the best and deepest drafts at multiple positions in a while. We have a lot of needs on defense and there are some good players so hopefully we'll be ok.
Southside Tirant
02-18-2010, 01:53 PM
This year looks to be one of the best and deepest drafts at multiple positions in a while. We have a lot of needs on defense and there are some good players so hopefully we'll be ok.
It's just not a good year to need a QB! Thank god VY resurrected his career. As far as 1st round talent is concerned... It's a bad year for CB's and OLB's! But kind of good for us! Because if we want the top 4-3 OLB we can get him, So given the circumstance's of a bad year with all the player's we will most likely lose to free agency... It couldn't come at a better time! It hurts not having our 2nd round pick, But hopefully we'll get 2-3-4 Comp picks to make up for it somewhat.
TTP77
02-18-2010, 01:59 PM
yea I think the QB class is weak at top but pretty good after that if you are looking at a developmental player. I'm not convinced we won't draft a
QB later on to develop. It just all depends on what else happens. We have a lot of needs on defense. I think the class is actually decent on LB's but I would agree with you on corner. Not a lot of guys considered "elite" there but still some really good players. DT and DE look pretty deep and so does RB. There are some really good small school guys who may fly under the radar too and we seem to be looking there a lot lately. So we'll see.
TTP77
02-19-2010, 08:49 AM
Wyatt wants us to draft Carlos Dunlap
http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2010/02/18/titans-1st-pick-de-carlos-dunlap/
TTP77
02-19-2010, 10:58 AM
If anyone wants a laugh here's PFT's mock draft.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/18/2010-mock-draft-take-one/
I was wondering if there is any interest in having some sort of mock draft contest on the board? Strictly for fun and the occasional bragging rights...;)
TTP77
02-23-2010, 11:15 AM
i just read on twitter that the Lions are shopping their second round pick. wonder what it would take.....
EDIT: nvm I read that wrong...:slap
they are shopping the second pick overall
TTP77
02-23-2010, 11:52 AM
check out this video of Jason Pierre-Paul
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/22/jason-pierre-paul-is-athletic/
EDIT:
Also here's a mock draft from Bucky Brooks...
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8166b4a7&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
TTP77
02-23-2010, 12:19 PM
A lil info on Jason's brother Devin....
Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers. His twin brother, Jason McCourty, was a drafted in the sixth round by the Titans last year, and contributed immediately as a backup cornerback. Devin is regarded as the better player, and after a strong Senior Bowl, McCourty has a chance to be a first-round pick if he impresses scouts in Indianapolis.
"I think he's one of those guys who'll probably go in the second or third round, but he'll play a long time for you," said Gil Brandt, former Cowboys vice president of player personnel and NFL.com analyst. "He has good ball skills. I'd never compare him to Darrelle Revis, but he has ball skills that in some ways remind you of Revis."
TTP77
02-24-2010, 11:50 AM
Pretty good article by McShay
An NFL scout recently told me, "Even after all these years, we don't have a Moneyball formula for success. But we are getting closer." Until then, the NFL draft will remain about as unscientific as any sports endeavor. As long as scouts and GMs have to scramble to evaluate roughly 1,000 college football players at four different levels, every now and then a Pierre Garçon (Mount Union, sixth-round pick) is going to have more catches in one season than a Mike Williams (USC, first round) will have in a career.
So what's that scout talking about? Well, just because there's no secret to guaranteeing a sweet draft doesn't mean there aren't some must-follow tendencies that can help avoid disasters. As we head to the scouting combine, which starts on Feb. 24, then on to draft day, here are some mistakes the know-it-all suits shouldn't make. (But most assuredly will.)
1. They will ignore the big four. At the top of the draft, four crucial positions -- QB, offensive tackle, cornerback and pass- rusher -- should trump all others. It's a supply- and-demand thing. As the league's emphasis on passing puts those positions at an ever-greater premium, the elite talent pool at those spots remains basically the same. Notice wide receivers aren't included on this A-list. You can get them anytime. Two of this season's top five wideouts -- Miles Austin and Wes Welker -- weren't even drafted. On the other hand, all five of 2009's leaders in QB ratings were among the first 33 picks. Catchers depend on passers, not the other way around.
Look at this season's Super Bowl teams. At the big-four positions, the Saints and Colts combined to produce five Pro Bowlers. The average draft position of those guys was 44; two were first-rounders, two others early second-rounders. The teams generated nine more Pro Bowlers from the other positions. Those guys were drafted, on average, with the 80th pick, not including Colts center Jeff Saturday, who was undrafted. The Chargers (five of their past six first-rounders played one of the big-four positions) get it. The Lions (four wideouts and a linebacker in the top 10 between 2003 and 2007) don't.
So while All-America safety Eric Berry is tempting, the St. Louis Rams shouldn't think twice about snatching a defensive tackle, Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy, at No. 1. A combo of Suh and, say, LSU safety Chad Jones (a likely second-round pick) will win more games than Berry and, say, second-round DT Dan Williams will.
Marc Serota/Getty ImagesIs it wise to take a defensive tackle like Gerald McCoy with your number one pick?
2. They will be seduced by looks. Scouts, GMs, even esteemed members of the media get too wrapped up in 40 times and 225-pound bench press reps. In many cases -- see: Smith, Akili; Jones, Matt; Gholston, Vernon -- superhuman physical gifts make usually rational minds race with possibilities. It's why you'll hear about Tim Tebow playing H-back soon. Too often, scouts think a freakish body automatically translates into freakish success. It doesn't.
I've heard the buzz as it happens. Did you see that?! The furor overwhelms reasonable analysis. Mistakes and shortcomings that pop up on film or the police blotter fade into the background. Coaches are especially optimistic about being able to turn raw athletic ability into refined production. They think they can take special athletes and coach 'em to become special football players. Good luck with that. Meanwhile, guys like Clay Matthews and Austin Collie slide down the draft board, then make an immediate impact. The same arc will be followed this year by Texas WR Jordan Shipley and Penn State DT Jared Odrick. Neither will be a combine terror. They'll be happy to make their noise in the NFL.
3. They will pay no mind to minds. As one scout told me recently, "You can't win with dumb players in the NFL anymore." This Jeff George-inspired rule isn't so much about human intelligence as football intelligence, not book-smart guys but playbook-smart guys.
And yet book-smart evaluators still pay too much attention to academic All-America teams and the Wonderlic test. A 4.0 GPA or 40 on the Wonderlic doesn't necessarily mean a player will be able to read a screen or outfox a defender. Savvy GMs know the least-seen part of a player's combine performance, the personal interview, is the most important gauge. To be fair, more front office people are watching film with players and giving them pop quizzes to see what they've got between their earholes.
The importance of mental agility is starting to sink in. Rey Maualuga had first-round athleticism but slid to the second because teams saw the blunders he made in diagnosing plays and how he relied too much on raw ability to compensate. Maualuga had a solid rookie season for the Bengals (63 tackles), but it is now clear why he was the third USC LB drafted in 2009.
Here's a good test for this season's GMs. Watch where South Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul goes in comparison to Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan. Pierre-Paul is a physical freak, and a team may get flak for passing him by to get to Morgan. But what that team will know is that Morgan is far more versatile and game aware than his counterpart, who hasn't shown much more than pure pass-rushing ability.
"You can't win with dumb players in the NFL anymore."
4. They will choose need over value. Everyone who has a say in a team's draft starts with the idea that the biggest holes need to be filled first. It's a fair philosophy in a football utopia. But in the real world, hole-filling can't be the only -- or primary -- factor in determining which guy to take.
Look at what the Vikings did in the 2007 draft. After scoring only 17.6 ppg, they needed help on the offensive line, a replacement for QB Brad Johnson and a serious upgrade over No. 1 receiver Travis Taylor. The only solid spot in the offense, in fact, was running back, where 27-year-old Chester Taylor had gained 1,504 yards from scrimmage. But necessity didn't force Minnesota to reach for Brady Quinn or Ted Ginn Jr. at No. 7. Instead, they went with the best value on the board, some kid named Peterson. Think they wish they'd gone a different way?
The Colts are the NFL's best at balancing value and need. In the past four drafts (despite picking after the big-four positions have been poached), they've gone 4-for-4 with top choices: RB Joseph Addai, WR Anthony Gonzalez, OG Mike Pollak and RB Donald Brown. None was a sexy choice. All offered bang for the buck at the spot they were chosen. If team president Bill Polian also filled team needs, well, that was a nifty bonus. More to his point, a perennial contender restocked its shelf with starting-caliber players.
The Bills sit on the opposite side of this balancing act. They've consistently targeted need over value and failed miserably. From 2006 to 2008, the Bills reached for DT John McCargo, RB Marshawn Lynch and CB Leodis McKelvin. Not one of them was a starter by the end of this past season. That's a drafting disaster. Buffalo fans had best hope their team has learned its lesson as it debates whether to reach for QB Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. It's a position of need, for sure, but, personally, I see him as the No. 28 prospect in the draft. Buffalo would be better off taking a top offensive tackle, Oklahoma's Trent Williams or Rutgers' Anthony Davis. A QB like Colt McCoy or Tony Pike will be waiting for them later.
And if all else fails, they can try to trade with the Raiders.
TTP77
02-24-2010, 11:55 AM
The NFL scouting combine always produces some eye-popping numbers from players who look good in shorts and T-shirts, and many of those players will likely be overdrafted based on physical potential. Players like USC S Taylor Mays and Maryland OT Bruce Campbell are candidates to be part of that group this year.
However, for teams drafting in the mid-to-late first round, there are players to be had whose combine results don't really mean that much. These are teams looking for a missing piece or two in order to make a playoff push or Super Bowl run, and the players we're talking about are established starters from big-time programs who have an impressive body of work and plenty of film that shows scouts exactly what to expect from them.
Below are four players I feel will become solid NFL starters very quickly and are headed for productive pro careers. Many football people subscribe to the theory that a team should be built from the inside out, and it just so happens that all the players listed here are linemen who could make an immediate impact for the teams that draft them.
Iowa OT Bryan Bulaga -- We're hearing mixed opinions on Bulaga because of limitations in his footwork in pass protection, so there is a chance he could fall to the middle of the first round. However, he masks his lack of elite athleticism with impressive technique and balance in his pass sets, and Bulaga is strong and uses his hands well.
He also takes good angles to the point as a run-blocker and is a tough player who sustains and finishes blocks. Bulaga played left tackle in college but is a better fit on the right side in the NFL, where his toughness in the running game and fundamentals as a pass-blocker will allow him to step in and make an immediate impact.
Michigan DE/OLB Brandon Graham -- A productive player who led the nation in tackles for loss (26) last season, Graham has developed into an impressive overall player. Although his lack of ideal height (6-foot-1) is an issue for some, Graham is technically sound, and he is explosive and shows good bend as a pass-rusher.
He is also an instinctive run-defender who uses strength and leverage to hold the edge, and Graham uses his hands well to control and disengage from blockers both against the run and the pass. He played with his hand in the dirt in college, but we feel he is best-suited as a pass-rushing 3-4 outside linebacker, similar to fellow former Wolverine LaMarr Woodley.
Florida C/G Maurkice Pouncey -- Versatility is one of Pouncey's strongest attributes. He played center in college but has very good size (6-4¾, 316 pounds) and the smarts to shift out to guard. His feet are always under him, and he displays impressive balance and a good power base, something he showed off in an intense showdown with Tennessee DT Dan Williams last season.
Pouncey also uses his hands well and has the athleticism to get out of his stance quickly to hook or reach-block defenders, and he is effective on short pulls down the line. A three-year starter in the SEC, he has no real durability concerns and would give a nice boost to a team looking to bolster the interior of its offensive line.
Tennessee DT Dan Williams -- Another player who's eliciting mixed reactions from scouts. On one hand, he is an impressive two-gap run-defender with the size, lower-body strength and hand use to control, redirect and disengage from blockers. That alone could have him off the board in the middle of the first round.
However, Williams is still developing as a pass-rusher. He needs a wider variety of pass-rush moves and needs to work better to finish once his first move is stopped. Still, for a team looking for an effective run-stuffer in the middle, he is a player who will step in and contribute immediately.
Tebow making progress?
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on the work QB Tim Tebow is putting in to change his mechanics, and we give Tebow a lot of credit for the changes he is trying to make.
Tebow is one of the best players in college football history, and it would be easy for him to be stubborn and ignore the weaknesses in his game. It cannot be easy for a player of his status to acknowledge his shortcomings. This is only the first step in the process, though.
The hardest part for Tebow will be undoing everything he thinks he knows about throwing a football. There's no question he has the necessary work ethic and determination, but there is no guarantee those things will allow him to make wholesale changes to his delivery and footwork. There are very few examples of quarterbacks who have successfully changed their overall mechanics at this stage in the game (current Carolina Panthers QB Hunter Cantwell is the most recent name on the short list).
Tebow struggled from under center at the Senior Bowl in late January, and we'll be interested to see how much progress he makes before Florida's March 17 on-campus pro day. This is obviously more than a two-month process. We still give Tebow a fourth-round grade, but NFL scouts and coaches want to know how far along he is in his development. His pro day showing will go a long way toward determining his final standing.
Latest blog from Kevin Weidl and Todd McShay, Scouts Inc.
TTP77
02-24-2010, 04:24 PM
Toughest interviews
1. Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant: Bryant is the most talented wide receiver coming out of the college ranks since Calvin Johnson (Lions) in 2007. Unlike Johnson, Bryant comes with some red flags. For starters, there is his well-publicized suspension for the final 10 games of the 2009 season for lying to an NCAA investigator who was looking into Bryant's offseason meeting with former NFL player Deion Sanders.
In addition, multiple NFL scouts tell us of concerns regarding Bryant's maturity level and mental capacity. He will have to answer some tough questions during interviews with NFL teams, and while he's too talented to drop out of the first half of the first round, one bad interview with an interested top-10 team could end up costing Bryant a few million dollars in guaranteed money in his rookie contract.
2. Florida DE Carlos Dunlap: Dunlap is a uniquely gifted prospect with an exceptional combination of size and athleticism, but every team in the league knows he comes with a "buyer beware" tag, and pleading no contest to a December DUI arrest only adds to existing worries about his maturity level and work ethic.
3. Penn State OLB Navorro Bowman: Bowman has dealt with some hardships off the field, including the deaths of his father and his high school coach in a six-month span. Teams are sympathetic, but NFL draft picks are business investments, and right now Bowman's stock is volatile.
He was suspended and placed on probation for his involvement in a 2007 off-campus fight. He later violated probation in April 2009 and was sentenced to an additional 12 months of probation, as well as drug and alcohol testing, and ordered to complete 100 hours of community service. Bowman is a first-round talent but could free-fall on draft day as a result of his off-the-field issues.
4. Syracuse WR Mike Williams: Academic issues and multiple suspensions are certainly frowned upon by NFL decision-makers, but certainly not as much as quitting on your team, which Williams did in early November when facing yet another suspension. He is one of the top three wide receivers in the 2010 class in terms of pure talent, but there's a good chance Williams won't be among the first 10 receivers off the board because of his character issues.
5. Oregon RB LeGarrette Blount: Blount's suspension for punching a Boise State player after the 2009 season opener has been well-documented at this point, and to his credit Blount was able to earn his way back onto the field by meeting several off-the-field and academic conditions set by the Oregon coaching staff.
Now the challenge is to convince NFL that he is a changed man. Blount has the physical tools of a potential third-round pick, but how far beyond that point he falls will be decided in part by how he handles interviews and performs on certain teams' psychological tests.
TTP77
02-24-2010, 04:25 PM
Most important medical exams
1. Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford: Shoulder surgery ended Bradford's 2009 season, and he is still recovering. He will attend the combine but skip the drills and throwing portions, instead waiting until a pro day workout set for March 25. However, teams want to know how sound his throwing shoulder is after he injured it twice during the 2009 season.
2. Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen: Clausen played through turf toe on his right foot for part of the season and underwent offseason surgery to correct the problem, and he is not ready to throw or work out at the combine. His individual workout will take place April 8, but NFL decision-makers want assurance that the injury will not have a long-term effect on his throwing motion.
3. Texas QB Colt McCoy: McCoy is in the final stages of rehab after a shoulder injury that knocked him out of the BCS title game, and while he plans on taking part in drills and attempting to throw, it is also important that he prove the injury was not serious or lingering.
4. Oklahoma TE Jermaine Gresham: Gresham missed the entire 2009 season after surgery to repair cartilage damage in his right knee but will participate in all phases of the combine. His exam will carry additional weight, because he also tore the ACL in his left knee in high school.
5. California RB Jahvid Best: Best will take part in all combine drills and interviews, and teams are anxious to check out his laundry list of injury issues. He missed three games with a hip injury in 2007, sat out the 2008 Arizona State game with a dislocated left elbow and underwent foot and elbow surgeries during the offseason, and most recently suffered a season-ending concussion and disk injury to his back during a scary tumble in the 2009 Oregon State game. The concussion is most worrisome, of course, but all the dings and dents have teams worried about Best's ability to stand up to the pounding NFL backs endure.
TTP77
02-24-2010, 04:26 PM
Moving on up?
On a more positive note, there are always players who capitalize on the four-day job interview that is the combine. Here's a look at five FBS-level prospects with the most to gain, followed by five small-school prospects capable of hanging with the big boys:
Five with most to gain
1. South Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul: After entering the 2009 season as a junior college transfer just hoping to win a starting job, Pierre-Paul has accomplished a lot over the past few months. Scouts have seen his fierce pass-rushing potential on film and now it's time to showcase his awesome upside. Pierre-Paul can solidify a spot in the top 10 picks, and possibly write his ticket to Tampa Bay at No. 3 overall, if he puts on an impressive performance in Indianapolis.
2. Maryland OT Bruce Campbell: Campbell started just 17 games in his three seasons at Maryland, and there are plenty of holes in his game when you watch the tape. Still, Campbell has a chance to go in the first round, because he has the lateral agility, quickness and upper-body strength NFL front offices covet at left tackle. If he performs as well as expected across the board, Campbell could come off the board in the late first round based on his developmental potential.
3. Rutgers CB Devin McCourty: Boise State's Kyle Wilson was the headliner among cornerback prospects at this year's Senior Bowl, but McCourty quietly won over his fair share of scouts with a strong showing of his own. His fluid hips, quick feet and toughness are enough to land him a spot in the first two rounds, and if McCourty delivers on an expected 40-yard dash time in the 4.3-second range he could punch his ticket to the first round.
4. USC S Taylor Mays: Mays saw his stock dip over the course of the college season thanks in large part to his subpar instincts and poor change-of-direction skills in coverage. In fact, some felt he could slip into the second round. The combine is the perfect place for Mays to begin a comeback and solidify himself as a first-round pick. If he runs the 40 in the same range as much smaller safeties Eric Berry (Tennessee) and Earl Thomas (Texas), look for at least one front office to overlook Mays' weaknesses on the field and take him in the first round because of his freakish natural tools.
5. Ohio WR Taylor Price: Price didn't put up eye-popping numbers and played in a non-BCS conference, but it's important to point out that inconsistent quarterback play was an issue and that Price was impressive at the Senior Bowl. He caught the ball well and showed against a talented group of corners that he's capable of stretching the field vertically. A 40 time in the 4.3s or low 4.4 at the combine will reinforce what we saw in Mobile and on film and could move Price solidly into the second day of the draft.
TTP77
02-24-2010, 04:27 PM
Small-school prospects to watch
1. Massachusetts G Vladimir Ducasse: It became painfully clear during Senior Bowl week that Ducasse lacks the technique and mirror-and-slide skills to play on an island at offensive tackle in the NFL. In fact, he might need a full year of development before he's ready to compete for a starting job at guard. Still, Ducasse's upside is intriguing to NFL teams in a position to develop a youngster. Look for the raw Haitian-born lineman to impress with his combination of size, mobility in space and straight-line speed (particularly the 10- and 20-yard splits in the 40) during drills.
2. Hillsdale (Mich.) OT Edwin Veldheer: Veldheer created some buzz in scouting circles during his senior season and he carried the momentum over to the Texas vs. The Nation Game, where he showcased outstanding feet. The combine should be a perfect forum for the 6-foot-7¾, 321-pounder to showcase his excellent combination of size and agility.
3. Citadel WR Andre Roberts: We currently grade Roberts as a fringe third-rounder, but he is a silky-smooth player who runs polished routes and is blessed with soft hands. He's a bit undersized, but look for the future slot receiver to make some noise with his excellent quickness in the shuttle drills and initial burst in his 10-yard split.
4. James Madison OLB Arthur Moats: He is listed at just 6 feet, but Moats' thick build and unusually long arms for his frame will play to his favor during measurements. Look for his explosiveness and ability to hold up in space during position drills to ease concerns about his ability to transition from college defensive end to NFL outside linebacker.
5. Abilene Christian OT Tony Washington: There is some off-the-field baggage that will be addressed during some tough interview sessions, but the good news for Washington is that he can only improve his plummeting draft stock. First, he can help his cause by being honest and sincere when speaking to teams. Secondly, the position and agility drills are an ideal stage for the nimble 6-1, 303-pounder to display his outstanding agility.
TTP77
02-24-2010, 04:28 PM
Speed to burn
From Darrell Green to Bo Jackson to Deion Sanders, there's always a debate about who owns the combine's all-time fastest 40-yard dash time. The picture is much clearer in recent years., though.
CB Fabian Washington (Ravens) won the unofficial track meet in 2005 by blazing a 4.29-second 40, followed by CB Tye Hill (Falcons) with a 4.30 in 2006, WR/RS Yamon Figurs (Raiders) with another 4.30 in 2007, RB Chris Johnson (Titans) with a ridiculous 4.24 in 2008, and WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (Raiders) with a 4.30 last year.
Here are five leading candidates to win fastest-in-class honors in 2010:
1. Kansas State RS Brandon Banks (5-7¼, 149)
2. Ohio WR Taylor Price (6-0⅛, 198)
3. Clemson RB C.J. Spiller (5-10¾, 196)
4. Clemson WR Jacoby Ford (5-8¾, 181)
5. California RB Jahvid Best (5-9¾, 198)
Feeling left out
Approximately 10 percent of the players selected in the annual NFL draft are not invited to the scouting combine, and we're not just talking about journeyman late-rounders who contribute on special teams. Big-time players such as QB Tony Romo, WR Wes Welker and DE Osi Umenyiora have fallen through the cracks in recent years, and with that in mind here's a look at 10 combine snubs from 2010 who shouldn't give up hope just yet:
1. Eastern Washington QB Matt Nichols
2. Auburn CB Walter McFadden
3. Hawaii C John Estes
4. Rutgers OT Kevin Haslem
5. Virginia DT Nate Collins
6. Virginia Tech G Sergio Render
7. Miami CB Sam Shields
8. Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes
9. Oklahoma DE Auston English
10. Central Michigan WR Bryan Anderson
TTP77
02-24-2010, 04:29 PM
Here's how things will break down for each group of players during their four-day stays in Indianapolis:
Day 1
* Arrive and register
* Pre-examination and X-rays at hospital
* Orientation
* NFL team interviews
Day 2
* Measurements (height, weight, arm length, hand span)
* Injury evaluation
* Media interviews
* Psychological testing (Wonderlic test)
* NFL team interviews
Day 3
* NFLPA meeting
* Psychological testing
* NFL team interviews
Day 4
* Workout to include all or some of the following: 40-yard dash, bench press, three-cone drill, broad jump, 20-yard shuttle, 60-yard shuttle, position-specific drills
* Departure
Following is a breakdown of the 11 groups and their workout dates:
Groups
Group 1: Offensive linemen/Specialists
Group 2: Offensive linemen
Group 3: Tight ends
Group 4: Quarterbacks/Wide receivers
Group 5: Quarterbacks/Wide receivers
Group 6: Running Backs/fullbacks
Group 7: Defensive linemen
Group 8: Defensive linemen
Group 9: Linebackers
Group 10: Defensive backs
Group 11: Defensive backs
Workout dates
Saturday, Feb. 27: Groups 1, 2 and 3
Sunday, Feb. 28: Groups 4, 5 and 6
Monday, March 1: Groups 7, 8 and 9
Tuesday, March 2: Groups 10 and 11
Southside Tirant
02-24-2010, 05:20 PM
Hey TTP77, On your Espn Insider there's a thing on the front page with all the Prospect rankings, If you get time will you post just the DL, LB and DB's? And i never asked you before if there was a player or Player's you were hoping for us to draft this April? And thank you again for everything! I need to send you a present or something nice, lol.
TitansGiantsBears
02-24-2010, 06:34 PM
McShay small school prospects
Ok... so which one of these guys will be a Titan in 2010? :D
TTP77
02-25-2010, 09:12 AM
Hey TTP77, On your Espn Insider there's a thing on the front page with all the Prospect rankings, If you get time will you post just the DL, LB and DB's? And i never asked you before if there was a player or Player's you were hoping for us to draft this April? And thank you again for everything! I need to send you a present or something nice, lol.
sure...no prob. it's enough for me just to know my time wasting efforts are appreciated :lol but seriously i'm glad to do it.
As for players to draft IDK I was kinda waiting to see what we did with our looming FA. But I think DL is our biggest need. I really had my hopes up that Gerald McCoy would be possible but he looks to go in the top 5 now. Of the DE's slated to go in the 1st I prefer Morgan but I think he'll be gone too by the time we pick. I need to look at the safeties available. Not having a 2nd round pick is going to hurt us I think in getting a quality secondary player unless somehow someone is available when we pick in the first.
TTP77
02-25-2010, 10:05 AM
DEFENSIVE ENDS
Derrick Morgan
6-4
275
Jason Pierre-Paul
6-6
265
Everson Griffen
6-3
280
Brandon Graham
6-2
263
Carlos Dunlap
6-6
290
Analysis: Graham is the No. 1 true senior here. He's been jumped by some juniors, showing the strength of youth at this position. Dunlap remains a question mark in some respects because of character issues around the SEC championship game, but if he falls to the teens in the first round, someone is going to get exceptional value.
DEFENSIVE TACKLES
Ndamukong Suh
6-4
300
Gerald McCoy
6-4
297
Brian Price
6-2
300
Dan Williams
6-3
327
Jared Odrick
6-4
306
Analysis: I've said it before, and it remains true: Suh has become maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of breaking down tape and analyzing prospects year-round. He'll make an instant impact for whichever team is lucky enough to land him. You know how much I've raved about this group. A look at the mock draft tells you all you need to know.
INSIDE LINEBACKERS
Rolando McClain
6-4
258
Daryl Washington
6-3
234
Brandon Spikes
6-3
258
Darryl Sharpton
6-1
235
Micah Johnson
6-2
258
Analysis: As I moved juniors who declared into this category, McClain jumped to the top, but Washington and Spikes do remain attractive options for teams in need of linebacker help. I really need to stress that I have concerns about how well (or poorly) Spikes will run. If he proves me wrong and runs well, he'll go a lot higher than I have him slated.
OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS
Sergio Kindle
6-4
255
Sean Weatherspoon
6-2
245
Navorro Bowman
6-1
230
Rennie Curran
5-11
222
Eric Norwood
6-1
252
Analysis: Kindle is ahead of Weatherspoon because I see him as a more valuable commodity, almost certainly on the edge in a 3-4 defense. Weatherspoon doesn't have the same kind of status as a pass-rusher. Given the success of Brian Orakpo, any strong comparisons there certainly won't hurt Kindle's stock as April approaches.
CORNERBACKS
Joe Haden
5-11
190
Kyle Wilson
5-10
186
Devin McCourty
5-10
190
Patrick Robinson
5-11
193
Kareem Jackson
6-0
193
Analysis: Haden is, by far, at the head of the class for cornerbacks right now, with Wilson making a jump up to No. 2 this week. I think Wilson, McCourty and Robinson could go late in the first round, whereas Haden is almost surely a top-10 pick unless questions develop about his speed. But I doubt that.
SAFETIES
Eric Berry
5-11
203
Earl Thomas
5-10
197
Taylor Mays
6-3
235
Morgan Burnett
6-1
210
Chad Jones
6-3
231
Analysis: Mays dipped on my Big Board as the season progressed, and he is now behind two juniors: Berry (a likely top-five pick) and Thomas. You could say expectations for a player of Mays' phenomenal athletic exploits are a little high, but he is that well-regarded. Struggles aside, Mays should light up the workout process in preparation for the draft.
TTP77
02-25-2010, 10:10 AM
1
Ndamukong Suh
DT
6-4
300
Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1
2
Gerald McCoy
DT
6-4
297
Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2
3
Eric Berry
DB
5-11
203
Analysis: Ultimate playmaker in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3
4
Jimmy Clausen
QB
6-3
223
Analysis: Accurate, under-center experience, competitive and tough. Last week: No. 4
5
Joe Haden
CB
5-11
190
Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 5
6
Sam Bradford
QB
6-4
223
Analysis: Underrated arm, great feel for position, super accurate. Last week: No. 6
7
Derrick Morgan
DE
6-4
275
Analysis: Solid pass-rusher and stout versus run. Very productive. Last week: No. 7
8
Rolando McClain
LB
6-4
258
Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 8
9
Jason Pierre-Paul
DE
6-5
262
Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher; raw but physically gifted. Last week: No. 9
10
C.J. Spiller
RB
5-11
195
Analysis: Multitalented, versatile, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 11
11
Dez Bryant
WR
6-2
220
Analysis: Dynamic receiver and returner. Draft's best downfield threat. Last week: No. 10
12
Russell Okung
OT
6-5
300
Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blindside pass-protector. Last week: No. 12
13
Anthony Davis
OT
6-6
325
Analysis: Gifted physically, has quick feet and is still improving. Last week: No. 13
14
Brian Price
DT
6-2
300
Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc along line. Last week: No. 14
15
Sergio Kindle
LB
6-4
255
Analysis: Improved all season; prototype 3-4 OLB in NFL. Last week: No. 15
16
Everson Griffen
DE
6-3
280
Analysis: Supremely talented pass-rusher; has added consistency. Last week: No. 16
17
Dan Williams
DT
6-3
327
Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 17
18
Maurkice Pouncey
C/G
6-5
318
Analysis: Athletic, versatile interior lineman. Rising quickly. Last week: No. 18
19
Arrelious Benn
WR
6-2
220
Analysis: Explosive, physical wideout; strong in return game. Last week: No. 19
20
Brandon Graham
DE
6-2
270
Analysis: Awesome athlete, force off the edge, led nation in TFLs. Last week: No. 20
21
Bryan Bulaga
OL
6-6
312
Analysis: His incredible leverage is a big asset. Last week: No. 22
22
Carlos Dunlap
DE
6-6
290
Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 23
23
Earl Thomas
S
5-10
197
Analysis: Covers a ton of ground, great in big games. Last week: NR
24
Trent Williams
OL
6-5
318
Analysis: Long and strong. Can help immediately at RT. Last week: No. 25
25
Demaryius Thomas
WR
6-3
229
Analysis: Big-time downfield threat; great size and speed combo. Last week: No. 21
TTP77
02-25-2010, 11:31 AM
Don Banks has a new mock...has us picking Morgan. Me likey....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/02/25/mock-draft-2/index.html
Southside Tirant
02-26-2010, 07:15 AM
Walters new Mock is pretty nice! I'd be very happy with it.
Round 1.
Tennessee Titans: Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
The Titans will be thrilled if this happens. Thanks to some team foolishly drafting Jason Pierre-Paul over Derrick Morgan, Tennessee gets to satisfy its greatest need with the No. 1 prospect at that position.
With a number of expiring contracts at defensive end this offseason - go here for the 2010 NFL Free Agent Rankings - this selection will be spent on a pass-rusher unless the Titans acquire a high-priced player at the position via free agency.
The Titans weren't able to get any sort of pressure on Philip Rivers without blitzing in a must-win game on Christmas Eve; to get back into the playoffs, they have to be able to consistently apply pressure on the quarterback.
Round 3.
Tennessee Titans: Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
Watching Tennessee's Christmas night loss to the Chargers, each time I saw a missed tackle for the Titans, I wondered who it was and tried to spot the number. It was Nick Harper every single instance. This team desperately needs an upgrade across from Cortland Finnegan.
Round 4.
Tennessee Titans: Roddrick Muckelroy, OLB, Texas
A third upgrade to Tennessee's defense that perhaps will help it force dynamic offenses like the Chargers into punting once in a while.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
TTP77
02-26-2010, 08:15 AM
We are going to be picking 16th in the draft
Southside Tirant
02-26-2010, 09:22 AM
We are going to be picking 16th in the draft
Oh lord! I just made a thread about it! oops, Anyway, Im happy.
TTP77
02-26-2010, 09:50 AM
haha no worries. i agree it is good news :)
TTP77
02-26-2010, 11:14 AM
Posted by: CHris steuber, SCOUt.COM
at 02/26/2010 10:22 AM ET
Walton Gets Lots of Interest
I've learned that Baylor center J.D. Walton, who's also receiving interest from teams as a guard, met with the Arizona Cardinals, Cincinnati Bengals, Denver Broncos, Jacksonville Jaguars and New Orleans Saints last night. He also has two meetings scheduled for this evening with the Houston Texans and Tennessee Titans.
posted that in the other thread.
TTP77
02-26-2010, 11:47 AM
for the Vandy fans
NDIANAPOLIS Bears Coach Lovie Smith can't explain why his roster is loaded with Vanderbilt players. He wouldn't rule out the trend continuing.
Five former Commodores play for the Bears – quarterback Jay Cutler, receiver Earl Bennett, linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer, offensive tackle Chris Williams and cornerback D.J. Moore.
“It just works out that way sometimes,’’ Smith said with a smile. “All the players we have had from Nashville, we love having them. They are smart guys and realize and understand how important football is. I don’t know the reason why, but that is a stop we’ll make every year, I promise you that.’’
Vanderbilt has two players at this NFL Combine – tackle Thomas Welch and cornerback Myron Lewis.
From Wyatt's blog
TTP77
02-26-2010, 03:27 PM
According to all the tweets Tebow is getting the "rock star" treatment at the combine. maybe they just all want to get close to jesus? it will be interesting to see where he ends up getting drafted.
TTP77
02-28-2010, 02:00 PM
interesting prospect
Posted by: ed thompson, scout.com
at 02/27/2010 04:41 PM ET
Lewis: A LB Who Can "Cover Like a Safety"?
Ole Miss safety Kendrick Lewis was classified as a linebacker for the Combine, a position he hasn't played since high school, but he believes that if an NFL team wants him to make that switch, they'll get a linebacker who can cover like a safety. Lewis said he has the footwork, change of direction skills and can flex his hips to be successful. He measured in at 6-foot-1, 239 pounds and had a formal interview with the Carolina Panthers last night.
TTP77
02-28-2010, 02:03 PM
and another one
Posted by: ed thompson, scout.com
at 02/27/2010 05:24 PM ET
BC Grad Promotes Specials Skills
Boston College's Mike McLaughlin told the media that even though he's wearing a linebacker shirt at the Combine, he considers himself a special teams player first and a linebacker second. But don't be fooled by that statement. After coming back from an Achilles injury, the defensive captain finished second on the team in tackles from his middle linebacker position last year. McLaughlin, who adds great value to his NFL resume with his long-snapping ability, plans to do some long-snapping during Monday's drills. He got very positive feedback from NFL scouts following the East-West Shrine Game for his ability to long-snap during punts and then getting down the field to make plays.
TTP77
02-28-2010, 06:54 PM
couple of DE's to take a flier on perhaps later or as undrafted FA's....
10. George Selvie, South Florida 6-3, 252
Positives: A superior pass rusher. Has tremendous speed and quickness when he gets around the corner. A fantastic closer. … Great in space and great on the move. At his best as a run defender when the play is away from him. ... Ready to roll as a pass rusher. Could be a better pro than collegian.
Negatives: Not big. Not quite bulky enough to be a sure-thing in a 4-3. … Is he an OLB in a 3-4? He might have to be a player a defense finds a job for. … Can be erased by a bigger, stronger lineman. Disappeared a bit too much last year.
THis guy played on the other side of JPP. Could be a steal later or if undrafted.
12. Alex Carrington, Arkansas State 6-5, 285
Positives: Phenomenal size. A massive body who fits as a 3-4 end and is athletic enough to play in a 4-3. Smart enough to handle any scheme. … Dominated at the Senior Bowl. Was tremendous in practices and had everyone buzzing. … Engulfs ball-carriers against the run. Can play end as a run defender alone.
Negatives: Underwhelming last year after a great junior season. … Doesn’t fly off the line. Not a great burst into the backfield against better linemen. … Needs to get more moves. Isn’t a polished pass rusher.
TTP77
03-01-2010, 12:51 PM
Wow...Devin does look like Jason!
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm201/TTP77/amd_mccourty.jpg
nice article on him.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/03/01/2010-03-01_rutgers_cornerback_devin_mccourty_looking_to_ra ise_his_draft_value_at_nfl_scouti.html?r=sports&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports+%28Sports%29
TTP77
03-01-2010, 02:42 PM
Here's an interesting CB prospect who might be available in later rounds.
Dominique Franks CB, Oklahoma
NFP Grade: 6.3
Scouting Report:
Dominique Franks: Oklahoma, No. 1, CB, 6-0, 190
A tall, long corner who reads the action well in front of him and has a nose for the ball, Franks possesses an explosive first step for his size and does a great job of clicking and closing when he's able to squat on routes. He looks most comfortable when throws are in front of him and showcases impressive closing speed and ball skills when jumping routes. But he isn't technically sound in his drop and routinely gets too high in off-coverage and will open up his hips prematurely.
He showcases some natural balance initially in his back-pedal, but struggles to get back out of his breaks once he opens his hips. Franks is consistently forced to regain his balance when trying to close. But he does have natural body control and the ability to stop on a dime and work back toward the ball once he gets his hands on the receiver. Franks showcases good straight-line speed and has the ability to open up his hips and track the ball vertically. He exhibits excellent ball skills in coverage and showcases the coordination to consistently adjust his body to the play and break on the pass. He likes to keep his eyes in the backfield but will get caught ball-watching and has a tendency to lose track of his man in coverage. He's blown his share of assignments during his time at Oklahoma and needs to pay more attention to detail.
Franks isn't a physical tackler, is long-armed and does a nice job playing off blocks, but he doesn't generate much power on contact and is more of a drag-down guy. Overall, he's a gifted size/speed corner who can close on the ball in front of him. But he isn't a technically sound corner, struggles to keep his feet under him and needs a lot of work in order to hold up in man coverage at the next level. His playing style reminds me a lot of former Buccaneers first-round pick Aqib Talib.
Grade: 6.3
He was ranked 7th CB in the draft by NFP....
TTP77
03-02-2010, 10:46 AM
Joe Haden's 40 time was pretty slow. He could drop out of the top 15...he ran a 4.57. not sure that's even the official time which is usually slower.
Southside Tirant
03-02-2010, 12:33 PM
I just seen Taylor Mays ran a 4.24 40 yard dash!
TTP77
03-02-2010, 12:57 PM
Mays official time was 4.43
Southside Tirant
03-02-2010, 01:20 PM
Mays official time was 4.43
I was waiting to see what it was! Deon Sanders was just making fun of the people in charge of doing the times. I guess that's why everybody brings there own watch. When you see what Haden's Official time was let me know.
Titanico
03-02-2010, 02:38 PM
* 4.28: Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
* 4.34: Trindon Holliday, return specialist, Louisiana State
* 4.35: Jahvid Best, RB, California
* 4.37: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
* 4.40: Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh
* 4.41: Taylor Price, WR, Ohio
* 4:41: Emmanuel Sanders, WR, Southern Methodist
* 4.42: Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
* 4.43: Brandon Banks, WR, Kansas State
* 4.43: Taylor Mays, S, Southern California
* 4.43: Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
* 4.43: Kyle Williams, WR, Arizona State
TTP77
03-02-2010, 02:59 PM
I believe Haden's was a 4.57 officially. I wasn't sure before
Southside Tirant
03-02-2010, 04:14 PM
I believe Haden's was a 4.57 officially. I wasn't sure before
I heard them say that since Haden didn't place in the top-10 that his unofficial time of 4.57 would stick! Does that make since? I think he'll definitly fall out of the spot he was projected to be drafted at now! Is it just me, Did this years DB's seem like a slow group? Even those official times were screwed it seemed like. because they said T.Mays ran a 4.43 but yet he was only a step behind Jocoby Ford! Rich Eisan was saying something about it today. It just doesn't seem right.
Southside Tirant
03-02-2010, 05:47 PM
I thought this article was interesting. From PFW... Here was some of the player's that stock fell at the combine.
Combine winners and losers
DE Carlos Dunlap, Florida*
Dunlap did not come to Indianapolis appearing ready mentally or physically, looking too stiff, upright and narrow-based as he went through drill work and coming off as extremely immature during the interview process, clearly not knowing what he does not know, as one executive described it. A DWI arrest four days in advance of the SEC championship game and a subsequent suspension have done nothing to convince evaluators that he is ready to shake the career underachiever label that he is expected to carry to the pro level.
CB Joe Haden, Florida*
Expected to clock in the 4.3s heading into the Combine with explosive short-area quickness out of his breaks on tape, Haden ran slower than some linebackers in the 40-yard dash, timing above 4.6 on some watches and appearing heavy in his movement. Although he does play faster than he timed, his marginal times will force evaluators to revisit his tape and could quite possibly knock him off the perch as the draft's top corner. Taking false steps out of his transition while making speed turns and not appearing crisp with his footwork in drills did not help his cause, as he appeared very ill-prepared all the way through the event. With a chance to have warranted top-10 consideration had he lived up to the hype, the 40-game starter now has questions to answer and may want to consider finding a more experienced speed coach than his overinvolved father before the Gators' pro day in several weeks.
OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
For as well as Weatherspoon worked out on the field and for as much as his "character" is praised within the Missouri program, he has turned off a number of decision makers just as much with his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality and has been criticized for worrying too much about his image and post-football career aspirations before he has accomplished anything in the National Football League. "He never shuts up," one top executive said. "He was the loudest guy in the room for the bench press. He gives me a headache. I think he is full of (it). It's all about himself. I don't want him in my locker room."
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/03/02/combine-winners-and-losers
Southside Tirant
03-02-2010, 05:53 PM
Here's another article about the timing issue at the combine.
An argument for better automatic timing at the Combine
For an hour or so, Taylor Mays was the talk of the NFL. The player with immense physical skills and questionable football instincts supposedly ran a 4.24-second 40-yard dash today, tying the all-time mark of Chris Johnson two years ago. It was nice while it lasted.
The key word to Mays' time was "unofficial." Mays actually ran his second 40, a reported 4.34, before that unofficial time was changed. Turns out Mays ran a best time of a 4.43. What's 0.19 seconds between friends? In the NFL, it could be hundres of thousands of dollars.
But it raises a serious question: Why even have this automatic timing that almost always gets changed later with hand-timed clocks? Answer: TV.
The NFL Network is trying to make an event out of the Combine workouts, which can be painfully boring for the layman fan without a little additional spice. That's why Johnson's 40 is brought up every year and why Rich Eisen takes his crack at the run. It's better TV. But this discrepancy is silly. How can they be that far off?
http://www.profootballweekly.com/blogs/2010/03/02/an-argument-for-better-automatic-timing-at-the-com
NYTitan21
03-02-2010, 07:57 PM
i'd really like to scoop Devin McCourty in the 2nd round.
ZachLV27
03-02-2010, 08:32 PM
To do that we'd have to trade down in the first round. If we're going to trade down any I'd rather we use our first round pick on Kyle Wilson. I'm probably biased being a Boise State fan(though I've never been a big fan of Chris Carr who also went to BSU). He has just been a lot of fun to watch both as a CB and as a kick returner.
Sect309Fan
03-03-2010, 09:35 AM
Here's another article about the timing issue at the combine.
An argument for better automatic timing at the Combine
For an hour or so, Taylor Mays was the talk of the NFL. The player with immense physical skills and questionable football instincts supposedly ran a 4.24-second 40-yard dash today, tying the all-time mark of Chris Johnson two years ago. It was nice while it lasted.
The key word to Mays' time was "unofficial." Mays actually ran his second 40, a reported 4.34, before that unofficial time was changed. Turns out Mays ran a best time of a 4.43. What's 0.19 seconds between friends? In the NFL, it could be hundres of thousands of dollars.
But it raises a serious question: Why even have this automatic timing that almost always gets changed later with hand-timed clocks? Answer: TV.
The NFL Network is trying to make an event out of the Combine workouts, which can be painfully boring for the layman fan without a little additional spice. That's why Johnson's 40 is brought up every year and why Rich Eisen takes his crack at the run. It's better TV. But this discrepancy is silly. How can they be that far off?
http://www.profootballweekly.com/blogs/2010/03/02/an-argument-for-better-automatic-timing-at-the-com
One thing that I don't hear mentioned is that the times have been slower since the move to Lucas Oil Stadium for last year's combine. It really does appear that the old stadium's turf was "faster" than this turf, so we may never see a time like CJ's again, even if someone really is just as fast.
TTP77
03-03-2010, 12:57 PM
To do that we'd have to trade down in the first round. If we're going to trade down any I'd rather we use our first round pick on Kyle Wilson. I'm probably biased being a Boise State fan(though I've never been a big fan of Chris Carr who also went to BSU). He has just been a lot of fun to watch both as a CB and as a kick returner.
Zach, i've been meaning to ask you about him. With Haden having issues at the combine it's possible he'll be gone now before we even pick in the first round, but what can you tell us about him? i've seen varying reports.
ZachLV27
03-03-2010, 08:37 PM
Zach, i've been meaning to ask you about him. With Haden having issues at the combine it's possible he'll be gone now before we even pick in the first round, but what can you tell us about him? i've seen varying reports.
Here are a few videos on him that you can watch that will highlight some of his abilities.
This first video is showing off his punt return skills. It is from the 2008 season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUwj7JemkC4&feature=related
This video is from Boise State's 2009 pro day (last year). I believe Boise State just had him out there to get him some hype going into his final season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxpdHHWKLiE&feature=related
This last video isn't really a highlight package of him. It's showing him at the Boise State vs TCU Fiesta Bowl this year. It does have highlights but it also shows some plays where he wasn't at his best. Plays where he should have done something different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5XJg54xkA&feature=related
Now onto my personal thoughts on him. I have no clue what his official 40 time will be (he didn't work out at the combine) but I'm betting he'll be faster than Haden but not a ton faster. I predict he'd be about a 4.45. His thing is he is quick and has real good footwork. He's a ball hawk so at times he'll get himself out of position by being too aggressive. Most of the time though he'll be on the screen wherever the ball is. A number of his interceptions came on plays where the ball wasn't even meant for the guy he was covering but he reacted to the ball.
Now what I like best about him and why I think he could fit in well here. He's a sure tackler who loves to hit. He plays best when up in close coverage (having to have Harper play 10 yards off the line is something that has killed us) . Boise State loved to blitz with him coming off his man. He was really good at the timing of that and because of that he had many big plays. He also is a real good punt returner as well as good on kick coverage. Our kick coverage, kickoff returns, and corner back play were probably our 3 weakest spots on the field last year and I feel he could be an upgrade in all 3 of those spots.
Here is a review of him that I think is fairly accurate. I also happen to love who they compare him to.
# Kyle Wilson, 5-10/190
# Cornerback
# Boise State
Kyle Wilson Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire
# Strengths: Good musculature
# Highly athletic with good speed
# Experienced
# Very talented - skill set
# Outstanding footwork
# Great agility and change of direction
# Shows ability to mirror against athletic WRs
# Low in his backpedal - technically sound
# Love his anticipation and instincts
# Durable
# Comfortable on an island
# Fluid hips
# Scrappy/physical at the line of scrimmage - uses hands well
# Nice return man
# Extremely competitive
# Confident
# Big Senior Bowl week
# Still has some potential
Weaknesses:
# Sometimes doesn't look back for the ball
# Inconsistent tackler
# Needs to improve run support
# Will give up some big plays
# Lacks zone awareness
# A bit of a gambler in coverage
# Less than ideal height
Summary: I really like Wilson's skill set and I think he will contribute to a team early in his career. He has the potential to be a No. 1 corner in the league though he has a couple things he needs to work on to make that happen. Wilson really impressed NFL scouts and coaches during Senior Bowl week and he was the best corner on the field. He was suspended in 2007 for three games for a violation of team rules - this will be checked into by the regional scouts but I'm not holding it against him until we hear media reports. Wilson will likely get drafted in the latter half of the first round.
Player Comparison: Cortland Finnegan. Finnegan is a very confident player who is highly athletic and finds ways to make plays. He's a good press man corner like Wilson.
Southside Tirant
03-04-2010, 11:09 AM
I knew something wasn't right watching the 40 yard dash on a few player's! I have a feeling alot of the player's were given slower times then what they actually ran.
USC’s Mays may have run faster than official 40 time
NFL Network’s Mike Mayock spoke to representatives from six different teams that all had Mays running between 4.31 and 4.35 seconds.
NFL.com analyst Bucky Brooks, on the Lucas Oil Field where the event was taking place, also heard one scout put Mays at 4.33.
It was originally reported that Mays had an unofficial time of 4.24 seconds on his first run and 4.34 seconds on his second run, but he was later credited with an official time of 4.43 seconds.
The difference suggests that Mays’ actual 40-yard dashes were closer to the unofficial times than the official time.
The official times are usually slower than the unofficial times recorded by NFL Network, which uses a person with a hand-held timer situated right at the finish line. The official times are recorded electronically and take a while to process and get released. The electronic timing is more exact than the human hand-held timing, so the times produced electronically are the official ones.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/03/uscs-mays-may-have-run-faster-than-official-40-time/
Southside Tirant
03-08-2010, 12:41 AM
Walter's updated mock draft. I wouldn't be upset at this at all!
1st-Tennessee Titans: Joe Haden, CB, Florida
As noted above, Joe Haden is still the No. 1 corner in this class. A poor 40 time shouldn't erase all of the great tape he's produced - especially when the 4.57 40 was the result of a poor stance.
Corner is one of Tennessee's two greatest needs; the team has nothing across from Cortland Finnegan, as Nick Harper was continuously torched all season, especially in a crucial Christmas game against the Chargers.
3rd-Tennessee Titans: Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern
The Titans weren't able to get any sort of pressure on Philip Rivers without blitzing in a must-win game on Christmas Eve; to get back into the playoffs, they have to be able to consistently apply pressure on the quarterback.
4th-Tennessee Titans: Perry Riley, OLB, LSU
A third upgrade to Tennessee's defense that perhaps will help it force dynamic offenses like the Chargers into punting once in a while.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010_4.php
gnarl
03-08-2010, 01:39 AM
i actually have been thinking about that too.
because of his poor combine 40 time...do you think Haden may fall to us?
his pro day may be different.
i actually would take wilson or robinson over him...but either way as long as we get a good CB or DE this 1st round, ill be pleased.
Johnnyb
03-09-2010, 01:12 PM
I would be more than overly excited to get Derrick Morgan or Joe Hayden, either of those guys would be huge for our team... The only problem is I have this horrible feeling in my stomach that we're gonna do something like we always do, we need a DE and CB so we'll draft a RB and TE with our first and third :(
TitansJonne
03-09-2010, 03:57 PM
They have us drafting based on our performance against SD. Nice, those are the kinda teams i hate losing too and we have to learn how to beat.
TitansFan23
03-10-2010, 01:10 PM
I doubt Haden falls to us.
I wouldn't mind taking one of his teammates though, Carlos Dunlap.
Southside Tirant
03-10-2010, 06:57 PM
Hey TTP77, When you get a chance, Can you see if the Mock Drafts from Kiper and Mcshay are any different?
ZachLV27
03-11-2010, 12:23 AM
Kiper:
Rams - Bradford
Lions - Suh
Bucs - McCoy
Redskins - Clausen
Chiefs - Berry
Seahawks - Okung
Browns - Pierre-Paul
Raiders - Campbell
Bills - Williams, Trent
Jaguars - Morgan
Broncos - Bryant
Dolphins - Williams, Dan
49ers - Haden
Seahawks - Griffen
Giants - McClain
Titans - Kindle
49ers - Iupati
Steelers - Davis
Falcons - Spiller
Texans - Wilson
Bengals - Benn
Patriots - Graham
Packers - Bulaga
Eagles - Pouncey
Ravens - Gresham
Cardinals - Hughes
Cowboys - Thomas
Chargers - Cody
Jets - Mays
Vikings - McCourty
Colts - Price
Saints - Weatherspoon
ZachLV27
03-11-2010, 12:28 AM
McShay:
Rams - Bradford
Lions - Suh
Bucs - McCoy
Redskins - Okung
Chiefs - Berry
Seahawks - Bulaga
Browns - Haden
Raiders - Campbell
Bills - Clausen
Jaguars - Thomas
Broncos - Bryant
Dolphins - Williams, Dan
49ers - Williams, Trent
Seahawks - Spiller
Giants - McClain
Titans - Morgan
49ers - Pierre-Paul
Steelers - Iupati
Falcons - Griffen
Texans - Wilson
Bengals - Mays
Patriots - Graham
Packers - Davis
Eagles - Kindle
Ravens - Gresham
Cardinals - Hughes
Cowboys - Brown
Chargers - Mathews
Jets - Odrick
Vikings - Price
Colts - Pouncey
Saints - Weatherspoon
Southside Tirant
03-11-2010, 04:36 PM
Thanks Zach! Im sure that doesn't make you happy seeing K.Wilson going to the Texans on both!
A brief list of some players the Titans have visited with or commented on:
LB Dekoda Watson
http://jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida_state_seminoles/2010-03-02/story/nfl_combine_florida_states_dekoda_watson_tur
“I love Shipley,” Tennessee Titans coordinator of college scouting C.O. Brocato said. “When they look at him, the team that drafts him is going to want to cut him every day, but he'll catch every pass thrown to him for the next 10 years.”
Jordan Shipley's return skills should enhance his draft position....
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texas/6889692.html
CB Nolan Carroll
http://www.diamondbackonline.com/sports/healthy-carroll-shows-his-stuff-1.1264637
DE/LB Sergio Kindle
http://www.titansradio.com/Article.asp?id=1723042&spid=27572
RB Montario Hardesty
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100228/SPORTS01/2280377/2072/SPORTS/UT+defensive+tackle+is+high+on+NFL+lists
DB/KR Dennis Rogan
http://www.titansradio.com/Article.asp?id=1715418&spid=27572
QB Levi Brown and QB Jevan Snead
http://www.nashvillescene.com/2010-03-04/news/the-days-in-indy-were-spent-dissecting-speculation-while-trying-to-visualize-the-titans-opening-day-roster/
DL Mitch Unrein
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2010/3/11/1367867/panthers-pro-day-update-1
sorry i didnt find more, but i will try to add more if i find some
*edit
DT Corey Peters
C Ted Larsen
DB Patrick Robinson
RB Dexter McCluster
http://www.titansradio.com/Article.asp?id=1739671&spid=27572
TTP77
03-18-2010, 02:57 PM
sorry southside I don't visit the board much anymore. :lol
Southside Tirant
03-18-2010, 05:01 PM
sorry southside I don't visit the board much anymore. :lol
It's ok, You've been enough help thus far! I think I'm good on the mock drafts from here on in. I have a pretty good idea of who i like and who i don't. But i still can't thank you enough! Your the best.
Just in case nobody seen Florida's Pro day... J.Haden ran a low 4.4 in the 40 yard dash erasing any doubts about him being slow! So the combine numbers won't effect him being picked in the Top-10 unless a miracle of some sort happens! And B.Spikes ran a 5.0 40 yard dash! So scouts are saying he really hurt himself and could fall all the way to the 3rd or 4th round now.
Southside Tirant
03-18-2010, 05:05 PM
I should had just posted this to begin with....
» Interior OL Maurkice Pouncey did positional drills only. Looked great. Very solid late first-round pick. Immediate starter who won’t be overwhelmed.
» DE Carlos Dunlap had an exceptional combine. At 6-foot-5 3/4 and 277 pounds, he ran a 4.69-second 40 and a 1.64-second 10-yard split. At Florida’s pro day, most scouts expected he would do positional drills only due to the strength of his measurables at the combine. To our surprise, he ran again, and I had him at 4.59 and 4.69. Great numbers for a DE that size. I give him a ton of credit for working out again and showcasing his athleticism. His problem is he has a lot of average tape. I don’t see him going in the first round due to his lack of consistency.
» Joe Haden ran 4.45 and 4.41 and had a very strong positional workout. He’s a first-round talent and should be the first cornerback off the board.
» TE Aaron Hernandez ran 4.58 and 4.63. He did 30 reps at 225 and ran good routes and caught the ball like a wide receiver. He lacks in-line blocking ability and has some off-the-field issues.
» Brandon Spikes ran 5.03 and 5.10, extremely slow times for an NFL linebacker. His tape is good but those times will significantly hurt his draft stock.
» Tim Tebow made more progress than I expected between the Senior Bowl and his pro day. His delivery is more compact and his footwork is much tighter. Still, he’s a project, but don’t bet against this kid.
» Riley Cooper stood on his 40 from the combine (4.55) and did positional work with Tebow. He has great size (6-3 3/8, 222) and is an extremely athletic kid that tracks the football and makes the hard catch look easy. One of the best blocking wide receivers in the draft also has a history on special teams as a jammer and gunner. Has to eliminate the “easy” drop.
» WR Brandon James and DE Jermaine Cunningham couldn’t work out because of injuries.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/17/mayock-tebow-not-lone-star-in-gainesville/
TTP77
03-18-2010, 05:06 PM
IDK if you can believe much of those times at the combine. too many questions there. I still think Haden is a top 15 pick.
TitansFan23
03-18-2010, 07:14 PM
I don't think Dunlap falls out of the first.
He's just got too many of the intangibles NFL teams look for.
He might even end up in Titans blue.
TTP77
03-19-2010, 12:06 PM
interesting piece on this year's DB class...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-03-18-draft-best-dbs-available_N.htm?csp=34&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomNfl-TopStories+%28Sports+-+NFL+-+Top+Stories%29
TTP77
03-19-2010, 12:12 PM
Bleacher report draft round 1....has us picking Derrick Morgan too. me likey!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/364945-2010-nfl-mock-draft-clausen-first-al-davis-does-it-again
TTP77
03-19-2010, 02:48 PM
Yikes!
When an incoming football player scores in the teens on the Wonderlic exam, a 50-question intelligence test, eyebrows usually are raised a bit.
When a guy gets in the single digits, it's time for a shirtless Tequila party.
This year, Indiana defensive end Greg Middleton managed a decidedly un-Big 10 performance with only a six on the test, according to a league source. Not far ahead of Middleton was offensive lineman John Jerry of Mississippi, who got 41 wrong, nine right.
Four years ago, quarterback Vince Young scored a six on the test. The number later was adjusted to a seven; the next day, he used a Mulligan to push the number into the teens.
Barely missing out on a less-then-10 score this year were Oregon offensive lineman Ed Dickson (10), Penn State linebacker Navorro Bowman (11), and, we've confirmed, Clemson running back C.J. Spiller (10) and Illinois receiver Arrelious Benn (11).
We're told that the low man on the quarterback totem pole was West Virginia's Jarrett Brown, with a 15. That's still two points higher than Dan Marino scored 27 years ago, when he matched his jersey number with a 13.
TitansFan23
03-19-2010, 03:48 PM
Why do they even give this test?
I'm not seeing a correlation between high-scores and better overall athleticism or performance on the field.
It's no secret that most of these guys aren't rocket-scientists, and I'm not sure I care that one of the players on the team I cheer for had a difficult time differentiating between the word flammable and inflammable.
Can they get to the QB, catch the ball, break a tackle, and score a TD?
Those are the ONLY questions I want answered.
TTP77
03-19-2010, 03:59 PM
Yea sorry I sorta disagree. I think if you have a preference you prefer smart guys who are great athletes. Exhibit A: Pacman Jones.....
TTP77
03-19-2010, 04:40 PM
Washburn was at MTSU's pro day...
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100319/SPORTS01/100319011/2080/SPORTS
TitansFan23
03-20-2010, 01:18 AM
Yea sorry I sorta disagree. I think if you have a preference you prefer smart guys who are great athletes. Exhibit A: Pacman Jones.....
Dan Marino - 13
Donovan McNabb - 14
Steve McNair - 15
Jim Kelly - 15
Randall Cunningham - 15
Terry Bradshaw - 15.
Drew Henson - 42
Alex Smith - 40
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 38
I don't believe the Wonderlic score played much of a role in the Adam Jones debacle.
There was a LOT more going on there than a score of 13 on the Wonderlic test.
ZachLV27
03-20-2010, 03:19 AM
Dan Marino - 13
Donovan McNabb - 14
Steve McNair - 15
Jim Kelly - 15
Randall Cunningham - 15
Terry Bradshaw - 15.
Drew Henson - 42
Alex Smith - 40
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 38
I don't believe the Wonderlic score played much of a role in the Adam Jones debacle.
There was a LOT more going on there than a score of 13 on the Wonderlic test.
The Wonderlic is just like any other test given in life. It is a good resource to look at when used as a small part of an equation. It's just like the SAT test people took back in high school. The person with straight A's in all honor classes (AP classes depending on where you went to school) that bombs on their SAT test usually has their SAT test pretty much ignored by schools. The guy with a C average in school and also bombs on the test solidifies everyone's opinion on him.
Dan Marino scoring a 13 on the Wonderlic could be ignored because of his skill set and the IQ he showed while on the football field. I'm not sure I'd put Cunningham on there since throughout most of his career he used his athleticism to carry his often poor decision making.
TitansFan23
03-20-2010, 04:19 AM
Dan Marino scoring a 13 on the Wonderlic could be ignored because of his skill set and the IQ he showed while on the football field. I'm not sure I'd put Cunningham on there since throughout most of his career he used his athleticism to carry his often poor decision making.
Both points prove why I believe the Wonderlic test is WAY overblown.
Marino proved it wasn't a valid measure of his ability to lead a team and be a HOF QB, as did Bradshaw, and Kelly.
Cunningham proved that it couldn't measure the intangibles of his athleticism and ability to make plays on the field, as has McNabb and McNair.
Alex Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick have proved that getting a high score on the Wonderlic isn't going to automatically translate into NFL success.
I see your point as a small measure, and I'll agree to that, but it has and continues to be made a big deal of, and I just don't see why.
I said it before, I'll say it again: The only questions I need answered come on the field. Can they run, catch, throw, and make plays to win games?
I couldn't care less about their ability to figure out the average of all of the integers from 13 to 37.
TitansFan23
03-20-2010, 04:34 AM
Yea sorry I sorta disagree. I think if you have a preference you prefer smart guys who are great athletes. Exhibit A: Pacman Jones.....
I'm not sure the Wonderlic can predict an individual's intelligence, and it certainly can't predict how much success a player can/will have on the field.
Clinton Portis scored a 9; Frank Gore a 6. Both are/have been elite RB's in the NFL.
Kellen Clemens scored a 35, while Patrick Ramsey and Joey Harrington both scored 32, and Matt Leinart scored a 35.
I simply don't believe it's a valid indicator of a player's potential or ability to play football efficiently and effectively.
ZachLV27
03-20-2010, 06:45 AM
Both points prove why I believe the Wonderlic test is WAY overblown.
Marino proved it wasn't a valid measure of his ability to lead a team and be a HOF QB, as did Bradshaw, and Kelly.
Cunningham proved that it couldn't measure the intangibles of his athleticism and ability to make plays on the field, as has McNabb and McNair.
Alex Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick have proved that getting a high score on the Wonderlic isn't going to automatically translate into NFL success.
I see your point as a small measure, and I'll agree to that, but it has and continues to be made a big deal of, and I just don't see why.
I said it before, I'll say it again: The only questions I need answered come on the field. Can they run, catch, throw, and make plays to win games?
I couldn't care less about their ability to figure out the average of all of the integers from 13 to 37.
I agree with what you're saying here. I just think that the guys in charge of these teams don't use it for anymore than what it is.
I think it's the media that overblows it each year and they are doing it just to be able to talk about the NFL at a time of little NFL news. It almost always comes up after the big free agent signings are done and have been talked to death and before the draft talk really kicks in.
visits scheduled with:
DT Corey Peters
C Ted Larsen
DB Patrick Robinson
RB Dexter McCluster
http://www.titansradio.com/Article.asp?id=1739671&spid=27572
TTP77
03-21-2010, 09:36 AM
I'm not sure the Wonderlic can predict an individual's intelligence, and it certainly can't predict how much success a player can/will have on the field.
Clinton Portis scored a 9; Frank Gore a 6. Both are/have been elite RB's in the NFL.
Kellen Clemens scored a 35, while Patrick Ramsey and Joey Harrington both scored 32, and Matt Leinart scored a 35.
I simply don't believe it's a valid indicator of a player's potential or ability to play football efficiently and effectively.
I think it shows more than just intelligence. If a player blows it off and shows up and scores subpar then isn't that an indication of that player's work ethic? I'm not saying it should be the be all end all but it is part of the equation you look at when evaluating a player's potential. Athleticism only takes you so far in this game anyway.
TTP77
03-21-2010, 09:40 AM
visits scheduled with:
DT Corey Peters
C Ted Larsen
DB Patrick Robinson
RB Dexter McCluster
http://www.titansradio.com/Article.asp?id=1739671&spid=27572
i know we need help at the return position but I think I might just cry if we draft McCluster. Or throw something. maybe Fisher wanted to play RB when he was young. or something like that...:lol
TTP77
03-22-2010, 12:38 PM
nice look at DL prospects...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/03/01/combine.dl/index.html
TitansFan23
03-22-2010, 01:33 PM
Carlos Dunlap of Florida were almost one-tenth faster in the mid-4.6 range. For Dunlap, whose known to have motivational issues, it further drives home the belief he does not always play up to his level of ability.
I'd like to see Dunlap in Tennessee.
I think coach Washburn would get him motivated.
TTP77
03-22-2010, 03:27 PM
interesting look back at the 2004 draft by footballoutsiders....
http://footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/2004-draft-six-years-later
Tight Ends
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Conventional wisdom: With the emergence of the pass-catching tight end who could split wide or play on the line and attack the seam of a two-deep zone, teams started to place a higher premium on the position. That higher premium meant that teams were willing to consider drafting tight ends in the rarified air of the top five or six picks in the draft -- a place traditionally reserved for quarterbacks, left tackles, defensive ends, and whatever receiver Matt Millen happened to covet that year. The test case for how high a tight end could go was University of Miami star Kellen Winslow, who was the son of a Hall of Famer and a better talent than fellow-Hurricane Jeremy Shockey ever was. Herm Edwards declared Winslow to be the best player in the entire draft. While no other tight end prospect was close to getting a green room invitation, there were several highly regarded prospects, including Florida's Ben Troupe, Ohio State's Ben Hartsock and Georgia's Benjamin Watson.
Highest pick: Kellen Winslow Jr., Miami, 6th overall to the Browns
Best player: Chris Cooley, Utah State, 81st overall to the Redskins. One could make an argument for Winslow, who has been dynamic when he's been healthy and paired with a competent quarterback, but you could count the times that has happened on one hand (and still have four fingers left over). Instead of the star-crossed "soldier" with his broken fibulas and staph infections (not to mention motorcycle accidents), we'll go with Cooley, a two-time Pro Bowler and blogosphere all-star. Cooley first emerged as a quality receiving threat out of the H-back position midway through his rookie season, and he maintained his production until last season when he was sidelined by a broken ankle.
Biggest bust: Ben Troupe, University of Florida, 40th overall to the Titans. Troupe was considered a poor man's version of Winslow when he came out of Florida, but he was never able to climb above second-string on the Tennessee depth chart, and after brief and undistinguished stints with Tampa Bay and Oakland, Troupe washed out of the league altogether.
:(
TTP77
03-23-2010, 08:11 AM
Shipley to visit: The Titans have scheduled a visit with former University of Texas receiver Jordan Shipley, and it’s expected to take place within the next two weeks. Each NFL team is allowed to bring in up to 30 players for visits leading up to the draft.
Shipley had 116 catches for 1,485 yards and 13 touchdowns in 2009. In the national title game loss to Alabama, Shipley caught 10 passes for 122 yards and two touchdowns.
Some NFL mock drafts have the 6-foot, 190-pound Shipley going as early as the second round. He ran a 4.57 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine and was listed as a top performer among receivers in the bench press category (225 pounds 16 times).
In January, Titans national supervisor of college scouting C.O. Brocato told the Houston Chronicle that Shipley would be a great pickup for any NFL team.
“He’s got good enough size to go with great hands,” Brocato said. “He’s smart and runs routes well. He’s also a good return guy. Like (Texas quarterback Colt) McCoy, the kid’s a winner. He made big plays when they needed him the most.”
Tennessean
ZachLV27
03-23-2010, 08:24 AM
Tennessean
He'd be a perfect replacement for Gage. With Washington and Britt out on the field we'll need someone to fill the role of "mediocre receiver that usually can't get separation from the CB covering him".
Southside Tirant
03-23-2010, 08:44 AM
Walter's new mock... Looks like a Florida reunion.
Tennessee Titans: Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
Oh no. I'm willing to bet that 9,999 out of 10,000 Titans fans hate this pick. I'd hate this pick if I were a Titans fan too. But I think it could absolutely happen.
Tennessee's front office loves drafting workout warriors. Think about it. In 2009, it was Kenny Britt, who ran a very impressive 4.47 40 and leaped 37 inches despite being 6-3, 210. In 2008, it was Chris Johnson, who has the fastest official 40 ever at the Combine. In 2007, it was Michael Griffin, who ran a 4.45 - the best 40 time for any safety in that class.
Carlos Dunlap likes to fall asleep at intersections at 2 a.m. and has work ethic issues, but there's no denying his physical ability. At 6-6, 279, Dunlap sprinted a 4.61 on a wet surface at his Pro Day (which equates to a 4.56 on a dry one). He has massive upside and fills a big position of need. He also interviewed well at the Combine, so that could save him from his DUI.
I won't agree with them, but I think the Titans will heavily consider Dunlap at No. 16 overall.
3-Tennessee Titans: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Corner is one of Tennessee's two greatest needs; the team has nothing across from Cortland Finnegan, as Nick Harper was continuously torched all season, especially in a crucial Christmas game against the Chargers.
3-Tennessee Titans: Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida
Justin Gage and Nate Washington are OK, but they're not long-term secondary receivers. The Titans will love Carlton Mitchell's measurables.
4-Tennessee Titans: Dan LeFevour, QB, Central Michigan
The Titans should look into finding a young quarterback in the middle rounds of the 2010 NFL Draft. If Vince Young takes a step backward, they'll need an alternative plan.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
TTP77
03-23-2010, 09:49 AM
Pat Kirwin's mock draft
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d81714d0c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
I really really don't want us to draft JPP. Did some research on him and I think he's a bust waiting to happen. would rather have Dunlap, Kyle Wilson or Haden in that spot if his draft falls the way it is structured.
TTP77
03-23-2010, 10:19 AM
QB prospects...
QB Nichols making a move
Eastern Washington QB Matt Nichols (6-1⅞, 219) was a combine snub but he impressed us with his pocket mobility, poise and accuracy at the East-West Shrine Game and his stock appears to be rising at the right time. Nichols ran the 40 in the high 4.8s at his pro day, which is a strong time even if it was wind-aided, and he reportedly threw the ball very well. We currently give him a mid-fifth round grade.
The headliner at West Virginia's pro day workout was QB Jarrett Brown, who measured 6-foot-2⅞ and 222 pounds and looked thick and well-built up top.
We've raved about Browns throwing motion and release for some time and he looked very good in this setting. He snapped the ball off with his over-the-top release and threw tight spirals that drove down the field when he let it rip, though the ball did flutter a bit when he seemed to aim the ball on some deeper routes and his accuracy suffered some.
Still, Brown's arm strength is excellent and his footwork when dropping from under center is improving. He has better rhythm and timing in hid drops and the scouts in attendance were impressed with Brown's physical tools. He needs to improve his awareness of the blitz and ability to read coverages, and he must make quicker decisions, so Brown remains a project. He has one of the better physical skill sets among the 2010 quarterbacks, though, and has moved himself into the early part of the fourth round.
ESPN Insider
TitansFan23
03-23-2010, 11:52 AM
Walter's new mock... Looks like a Florida reunion.
Tennessee Titans: Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
Oh no. I'm willing to bet that 9,999 out of 10,000 Titans fans hate this pick. I'd hate this pick if I were a Titans fan too. But I think it could absolutely happen.
Tennessee's front office loves drafting workout warriors. Think about it. In 2009, it was Kenny Britt, who ran a very impressive 4.47 40 and leaped 37 inches despite being 6-3, 210. In 2008, it was Chris Johnson, who has the fastest official 40 ever at the Combine. In 2007, it was Michael Griffin, who ran a 4.45 - the best 40 time for any safety in that class.
Carlos Dunlap likes to fall asleep at intersections at 2 a.m. and has work ethic issues, but there's no denying his physical ability. At 6-6, 279, Dunlap sprinted a 4.61 on a wet surface at his Pro Day (which equates to a 4.56 on a dry one). He has massive upside and fills a big position of need. He also interviewed well at the Combine, so that could save him from his DUI.
I won't agree with them, but I think the Titans will heavily consider Dunlap at No. 16 overall.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
I guess I'm the 1 out of 10,000 that wouldn't hate this pick.
Dunlap has all the intangibles, and Washburn could really make this guy a stud DE.
People make mistakes, so why harp on the one he made.
TTP77
03-23-2010, 12:18 PM
IDK TF23. quite a few peeps on this board are fine with us drafting Dunlap. I'm one of them. :)
NYTitan21
03-23-2010, 06:59 PM
I guess I'm the 1 out of 10,000 that wouldn't hate this pick.
Dunlap has all the intangibles, and Washburn could really make this guy a stud DE.
People make mistakes, so why harp on the one he made.
I wouldn't mind Dunlap but i would much rather have this...
2. Devin McCourty, CB - Titans fans want Kyle Wilson, but he hasn't run a 40 yet. Devin McCourty, meanwhile, notched a 4.34 at the Combine.
TTP77
03-24-2010, 07:30 AM
DMac has risen quite a bit. saw a couple of mocks lately where he's going in the first. we have a lot of options with our first pick since we have so many needs on D.
TTP77
03-24-2010, 09:19 AM
Consensus Draft Services finally updated their mock even though it was on March 8. Have us picking Sergio Kindle. I saw another mock giving us that pick too.
http://cdsdraft.com/mocks/round-1.html
A lot of mocks have the GMen taking Morgan right ahead of us. I think that's a legit possibility.
TTP77
03-24-2010, 09:48 AM
I just read that the Eagles are looking to trade Sheldon Brown...or at least "entertaining offers" is what I think Reid said. If we could make that trade then our draft could get a whole lot better IMO.
TTP77
03-24-2010, 10:26 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/03/23/nfl.draft.marijuana/index.html?eref=twitter_feed
very interesting article...
Old Oilers Fan
03-24-2010, 11:02 AM
Shouldn't this thread be somewhere different since this is the Draft time? I know it just could be my dumb ass but I always miss it . Then I have to play catch up to get back on track on our draft thoughts. :)
TTP77
03-24-2010, 11:17 AM
I do my best to keep this thread on the frontburner...;)
TTP77
03-24-2010, 03:05 PM
updated mock from NFP.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mock-draft-40.html
DE Morgan to us. Dunlap not even in first round.
TTP77
03-25-2010, 02:14 PM
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 25, 2010 12:34 PM ET
Tim Tebow is a maybe but eight draft prospects have checked off "Yes, I will attend" for the NFL Draft in April.
Here's the list of confirmed guests, according to Jason La Canfora of NFL Network:
Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, Oklahoma defensive tackle Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma State tackle Russell Okung, Georgia Tech defensive end Derrick Morgan, Oklahoma tackle Trent Williams, Tennessee defensive tackle Dan Williams, Tennessee safety Eric Berry, and Penn State defensive tackle Jared Odrick.
That's a lot of linemen.
Quarterbacks like Tebow, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, and Jimmy Clausen are currently "mulling their options."
With the 75th anniversary of the draft and the first Thursday primetime first round, the league is looking to have more players than ever before in Manhattan.
UPDATE: Florida cornerback Joe Haden was also invited to attend, according to Gil Brandt on SIRIUS NFL Radio.
PFT
TTP77
03-25-2010, 02:16 PM
also....
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 25, 2010 1:40 PM ET
In an effort to coax more players to attend the draft in person and improve the players' experience, the NFL will allow greater flexibility for players at Radio City Music Hall.
Players won't have to be bound to the green room at certain times, and they can return to their hotels for privacy as they see fit.
This makes complete sense from the league's perspective, not to mention the draft hopefuls. But no one will deny that the painful green room moments with Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn made for some of the most compelling and awkward draft moments of the last decade.
Those moments may no longer occur, a tradeoff the league will gladly take. (The news could also eliminate the "last player in the green room" bets.)
The league also has said previously they hope to have players around for the second round, so it makes sense those players don't have to sit around on television the first night of the draft.
TTP77
03-25-2010, 02:32 PM
Mississippi State linebacker Jamar Chaney lived up to his reputation for speed during his Pro Day workout today.
According to a league source, Chaney was clocked between 4.45 and 4.48 seconds in the 40-yard dash on NFL scouts' stop watches.
Following the workout, the Oakland Raiders conducted an extensive interview with the former Bulldogs standout.
Chaney was the fastest linebacker at the NFL scouting combine with an official time of 4.54 seconds ahead of Florida State linebacker Dekoda Watson's 4.56.
Chaney was "tremendous" in positional drills, per our source.
The Cincinnati Bengals and the Raiders sent their linebackers coaches to the workout, which was also attended by the New York Giants, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Indianapolis Colts, St. Louis Rams, New Orleans Saints, Seattle Seahawks, New England Patriots and the Baltimore Ravens.
Chaney, who was the South team's Most Valuable Player on defense at the Senior Bowl, has also drawn interest from the Jacksonville Jaguars, San Francisco 49ers and the Miami Dolphins.
Chaney missed the 2008 season with a broken leg, but the 6-foot-1, 241-pounder started 39 career games.
At the scouting combine, the Florida native also bench presssed 225 pounds 26 times and turned in a 39-inch vertical leap.
NFP
Where the hell were we? jesus. it's not like we don't have a need there.
Southside Tirant
03-25-2010, 05:58 PM
I'v been seeing alot of that lately! I see these pro days and all these scouts from other teams that are there, But no Titan Scouts! It's pretty heartbreaking.
TTP77
03-25-2010, 06:09 PM
i know we need help at the return position but I think I might just cry if we draft McCluster. Or throw something. maybe Fisher wanted to play RB when he was young. or something like that...:lol
sigh...i'ma have to reverse course on myself. but mccluster really is a small dude. i wonder what the Titans would do if CJ Spiller were there in the first. I wouldn't mind seeing us draft an RB with good return skills. most of the good returners in this year's class do seem small though. i'ma have to look into this more....
TitansFan23
03-26-2010, 02:37 PM
NFP
Where the hell were we? jesus. it's not like we don't have a need there.
The Titans had their scouts visiting "No-Name State University" watching a workout warrior with potential nobody has ever heard of.
TTP77
03-26-2010, 02:41 PM
The Titans had their scouts visiting "No-Name State University" watching a workout warrior with potential nobody has ever heard of.
i don't know whether to laugh or cry....ok, i'll settle for laughing. :lol probably true!
Johnnyb
03-26-2010, 04:18 PM
Boise State CB Kyle Wilson reportedly ran forty times of 4.42 and 4.45 at the Broncos' Pro Day.
After sitting out the forty at last month's Combine due to a tweaked hamstring, Wilson has solidified himself as a mid-first round prospect. Offering instant starting potential and plenty of punt return value, Wilson figures to land somewhere in the 16 (Tennessee) to 23 (Green Bay) range.
Per Rotoworld.com
I could honestly really see us taking him. Not a huge school guy, good size, speed, return ability, and starting cover corner skills. I'm just gonna trust the FO to do a good job though and hope for the best.
TTP77
03-26-2010, 05:49 PM
More Kyle Wilson numbers
A strong performance during Senior Bowl week and a solid NFL Scouting Combine effort helped Boise State CB Kyle Wilson enhance his draft status. He built on the momentum from those workouts with another exceptional outing at the Broncos’ pro day on Friday.
Wilson (185 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.47 and 4.43 seconds, had a 38-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot, 2-inch broad jump, a 4.10-second short shuttle and a 6.84-second three-cone drill. He also did very good in the position drills. This workout probably moves him into the first round.
All 32 teams had representatives in attendance, and six teams (Ravens, 49ers, Cardinals, Eagles, Bengals and Rams) had defensive back coaches on hand.
The workout took place indoors on FieldTurf. It’s a good thing, too, since it was cold with some snow showers in the area.
– Gil Brandt
We can go BPA and still fill a need. We have so many holes to fill.
Southside Tirant
03-26-2010, 06:47 PM
Here's a good article from PFW... Makes a good point on why we would or wouldn't draft a DE in the 1st.
The Titans did not select a defensive end in the 2009 draft, and they have taken just two ends in the last five drafts. But with nine picks in the 2010 draft, Tennessee figures to strongly consider taking an end this year.
Tennessee hasn't taken a defensive end in Round One since selecting Jevon Kearse with the No. 16 overall pick in 1999. He quickly developed into a star and was a key part of some top-caliber Titans defenses; since then, the Titans have preferred to wait until after Round One to address the position, a strategy that has worked well in large part thanks to the teaching of respected DL coach Jim Washburn. Antwan Odom (Round Two, 2004), Travis LaBoy (Round Two, 2004) and Carlos Hall (Round Seven, 2002) were all effective players for Tennessee before moving on to other clubs, and William Hayes (Round Four, 2008) and Jacob Ford (Round Six, 2007) are both current contributors for Tennessee. Ford notched a team-high 5½ sacks last season as a situational pass-rusher, while Hayes stepped into the starting lineup and recorded 51 tackles and four sacks.
In addition to the No. 16 in Round One in the 2010 draft, the Titans have eight other selections, including untradable compensatory picks in Rounds Three (No. 97), Six (No. 207) and Seven (No. 241). The Titans have two third-round picks but no second-round selection after trading that last year to move up and take athletic TE Jared Cook in Round Three.
The Titans have a definite need at defensive end after Kyle Vanden Bosch signed a four-year, $26 million contract with Detroit at the outset of free agency. Though Vanden Bosch notched just three sacks last season, he is still well-regarded in league circles and is widely praised for his work ethic. The Titans signed Jason Babin, a restricted free agent from the Eagles, to a one-year contract, but he will primarily contribute on passing downs.
Finding a full-time defensive end, a la Vanden Bosch, will be best accomplished via the draft. This DE class is regarded as deep, with Georgia Tech's Derrick Morgan, Michigan's Brandon Graham and South Florida's Jason Pierre-Paul among the top prospects.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/03/26/defensive-end-a-need-for-titans
TTP77
03-26-2010, 07:36 PM
we defied conventional wisdom and past experience and took a WR last year in the 1st round....;)
Southside Tirant
03-27-2010, 12:11 AM
TTP77, I know your high on Derrick Morgan and if he's there when we pick it's safe to assume he'd be in the top-5 BPA's to take at #16! But on that note, If he's gone.... Would you still want the Titans to draft a DE or would you want them to take the BPA? Or would you want them to take BPA regardless?
My personal opinion is... between our biggest current needs going into this years draft: DE, CB and LB, Depending on what the Titans do in free agency from now untill April-22, I don't see any being more of a need then the other! Maybe very slightly, If i had to put them in order, I'd say DE and CB being fairly equal and then LB, But not by much though! I understand everything starts with the D-Line, And a good D-Line can make average CB's look like Pro-Bowl caliber player's! But on the other hand... This draft is loaded with D-Linemen, And given our past success with developing late drafted DE's, And our dire need for a "Starting" CB opposite Finnegan and a Return Specialist! I might put CB ahead of DE! In my mind, We have a better chance getting a DE to "Start" Immediately with one of our 3rd round picks then we do getting a CB to come in and Start from day-1! I just keep thinking, Why sway away from what actually has worked for us in the past?
Johnnyb
03-27-2010, 12:24 AM
Honestly, if Derrick Morgan, Joe Hayden or Eric Berry are there when we pick we have to take whichever one is there... if none are there we just need to take the biggest playmaker available on defense no matter what position cus we could really use it anywhere.
TTP77
03-27-2010, 09:21 AM
I would be shocked if Berry or Hayden are there. Morgan is a possibility because JPP and Dunlap are good prospects who have great measurables. Some teams may have them ranked over Morgan. But I think Morgan is the most complete DE who could start immediately which is why I like him over the others and honestly JPP scares me more than Dunlap b/c he's older than the others. It's impossible to find his birthdate on most draft sites (which tells a lot) but I read somewhere he's like 25 or something like that and he's only produced one year. he's not very good against the run and he's very raw. I'm not sure Kyle Wilson will even be there when we pick really. It's so hard to predict b/c every year a player falls you don't expect. So yes we should go BPA but what if the best player on your board is say Jimmy Clausen and he's there when you are picking at 16. Do you take him? See that's why I think BPA is a bit overrated. Yes you want to pick the best players but you can't overload at any one position. So I agree with Johnny you have to go BPA on D b/c that's where we need the most help.
As far as rankings I put CB below LB and DE and well really safety. But i know i'm in the minority there. We have two young guys on our roster already. Are we willing to say either one is a bust yet? But if Haden or Wilson are there I think you can't pass up either one of them if you think they are the BPA. Did any of that make sense? I just got up and I couldn't sleep last night b/c I was so excited about my Vols bbteam making history. :)
TTP77
03-27-2010, 10:00 AM
Found this on Titanscentral
Former Boise State cornerback Kyle Wilson ran the 40-yard dash in 4.42 seconds Friday at the Broncos' pro day.
That's slightly slower than Wilson expected, but plenty fast enough to keep him in line for a first-round selection in the NFL Draft. He also posted a 38-inch vertical jump, a personal best.
The scouts do their own timing, so there is some variety in the numbers. Wilson's two 40-yard-dash attempts were timed in as fast as 4.39 seconds and as slow as 4.47 seconds, according to different scouts and reports.
Wilson ran the 40 in 4.36 and 4.39 seconds last spring.
"I was happy how everything went," said Wilson, who is expected to land in the second half of the first round of the NFL Draft. "... I know I'm as fast as they come, so hey, I'll trust my speed vs. anybody."
The top 40-yard dash by a cornerback at the NFL Scouting Combine was 4.45 seconds. Six players had vertical jumps better than 38 inches, topped by a 44-inch leap by Fresno State's A.J. Jefferson.
Wilson said the hamstring injury that prevented him from running and jumping at the combine was not an issue Friday.
"I don't have any excuses," he said. "I trained hard, I was ready to go and I came out here and did my best."
Wilson's other results included 10 feet, 2 inches in the broad jump, 6.74 seconds in the three-cone drill, 4.02 seconds in the 20-yard shuttle and 11.4 seconds in the 60-yard shuttle. The best of those numbers is in the 20-yard shuttle, where Wilson would have ranked second at the combine. He would have tied for sixth in the three-cone drill.
The usual collection of NFL scouts was augmented by at least a handful of NFL defensive coordinators. Forty-four scouts and coaches attended the event, representing 28 teams. Seven to 10 coaches were in attendance, including the Philadelphia Eagles' defensive coordinator.
Wilson said he already has visits lined up to at least six NFL teams - Jacksonville (pick No. 10), Dallas (No. 27), Cleveland (Nos. 7 and 38), Pittsburgh (No. 18), Tennessee (No. 16) and St. Louis (Nos. 1 and 33).
Read more: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2010/03/26/ccripe/kyle_wilson_unofficially_runs_40yard_dash_mid44s#i xzz0jNxS3zND
TTP77
03-27-2010, 10:17 AM
Where's TGB and TF23 lol....
On Thursday, March 11, Utah State hosted its annual Pro Day in conjunction with Southern Utah University. A springtime rite of passage for the select few outgoing USU seniors who have a chance to make it to the professional ranks, this year’s Pro Day was attended by NFL scouts from the Pittsburgh Steelers, Oakland Raiders, Tennessee Titans and Denver Broncos. The scouts put the eight USU seniors and five SUU prospects in attendance through a variety of physical tests, carefully watching and recording everything from the players’ 40-yard dash times to the number of repetitions they put up on a 225-pound bench press.
Notable Aggie standouts included McFadden (22 bench-press reps, 5.01-second 40-yard dash) and receiver Xavier Bowman (4.62-second 40-yard dash, 37.5-inch vertical leap), but the highlight of the day was provided by safety Brindley. Brindley, who finished his Aggie career with 253 total tackles and nine interceptions, ran the fastest 40-yard-dash time of any of the prospects present, clocking in at an unofficial time of 4.44 seconds on both attempts while also putting up an impressive 19 reps on the bench press and a 37-inch vertical leap. The events – which measure a player’s speed, upper-body strength and explosiveness, respectively – confirmed that the outgoing USU senior has a possible NFL career in his future.
“You could see that they had been working, and we were pleased with everything that went on,” commented an NFL scout, who asked to remain anonymous.
Brindley, who is considered undersized by traditional NFL scouting standards, said he was happy with his performance and credits Evan Simon with helping all the Aggie seniors prepare for the biggest job interview of their young lives.
more here....
http://www.usu-tube.com/view/full_story/6824319/article-Aggies-aiming-for-chance-in-the-NFL?instance=sports-sub
Southside Tirant
03-27-2010, 06:41 PM
I understand exactly what your saying! I should had said "BPA based on need". I'm very high on our young CB's (Mouton and McCourty), I remember last year when we drafted Mouton, Fisher had indicated he was primarily drafted to be a Nickel Back! I tried to dig up the link but couldn't find it. I think McCourty has a better chance to start on the outside opposite Finny then Mouton does! And if he's anything like his brother Devin then we just might have found another gem late in the draft! We need a complement to Finnegan! I guess what I'm getting at is... Looking at the CB's on the roster at this point, I see Depth that still needs developing if that makes since. But i love the Depth! I think it's the most promising we've had in a while! I just think it's missing one piece! And we definitely need 1 CB to replace Harper at the very least!
I guess I'm just torn thinking about what is needed most! lol. The anticipation is killing me.
TitansFan23
03-27-2010, 06:55 PM
“You could see that they had been working, and we were pleased with everything that went on,” commented a Tennessee Titans scout, who asked to remain anonymous.
You know it's true. :doh
TTP77
03-29-2010, 01:15 PM
Peter King says Dunlap won't be a first round pick...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/03/28/bradford/1.html
Johnnyb
03-29-2010, 11:17 PM
Peter King says Dunlap won't be a first round pick...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/03/28/bradford/1.html
I wouldn't want us to get him, idk why but the guy just kinda scares me. I'm not entirely sure how much his head is in the game and it kinda worries me. Also Florida has had several defensive linemen come to the NFL the past few years and none have done anything so i'm not sure exactly how well Urban Meyers defense translates to the pro game.
TTP77
03-30-2010, 10:57 AM
2010 Top 50 Draft Prospects (From Lance Zierlein)
Okay, first a word of warning. This is how I rate each "football player". This list does not take into account character issues and does not indicate where I necessarily believe each guy will be drafted. For example, I don't think you'll see Dez Bryant go in the top 10, but I do believe he is a top 10 talent.
* Updated 3/29/10 - 4:20 PM
1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
2. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
3. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
4. Eric Berry, FS, Tennessee
5. Russell Okung, LT, Oklahoma State
6. Trent Williams, LT, Oklahoma
7. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
8. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
9. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
10. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
11. Bryan Bulaga, LT, Iowa
12. Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
13. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, USF
14. Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State
15. Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
16. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
17. Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
18. Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
19. Sergio Kindle, OLB/DE, Texas
20. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
21. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
22. Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
23. Taylor Mays, FS, USC
24. Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
25. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
26. Anthony Davis, LT, Rutgers
27. Maurkice Pouncey, C/G, Florida
28. Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, TCU
29. Everson Griffen, DE, USC
30. Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
31. Brian Price, DT, UCLA
32. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
33. Daryl Washington, LB, TCU
34. Jahvid Best, RB, Cal
35. Patrick Robinson, CB, FSU
36. Kareem Jackon, CB, Alabama
37. Charles Brown, LT, USC
38. Carolos Dunlap, DE, Florida
39. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illiniois
40. Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona
41. Bruce Campbell, LT, Maryland
42. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
43. Rodger Saffold, LT, Indiana
44. Morgan Burnett, FS, Georgia Tech
45. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
46. Nate Allen, FS, USF
47. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee
48. Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
49. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
50. Koa Misi, OLB, Utah
Also from PK blog
TTP77
03-30-2010, 11:21 AM
I wouldn't want us to get him, idk why but the guy just kinda scares me. I'm not entirely sure how much his head is in the game and it kinda worries me. Also Florida has had several defensive linemen come to the NFL the past few years and none have done anything so i'm not sure exactly how well Urban Meyers defense translates to the pro game.
I get ya. I know there are concerns with him. If Washburn can't turn him around no one can though IMO. Really, it's so hard to predict what we should take. We have no idea what players will be there when we draft. We have many needs. If you will look back my preference is Morgan at DE. :)
TTP77
03-30-2010, 11:23 AM
I am anxiously awaiting Rick Gosselin's mock draft, but so far nada. I did run across this article from him that I thought was interesting....
Combine review: Undersized DEs growing on NFL coaches
10:05 PM CDT on Sunday, March 14, 2010
Column by RICK GOSSELIN / The Dallas Morning News | rgosselin@dallasnews.com
Jerry Hughes and Sergio Kindle were two of the best defensive ends in college football last season. But their NFL draft stock is likely to hinge on their ability to change positions.
Hughes was a two-time Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year at TCU, Kindle a two-time second-team All-Big 12 selection at Texas. Both bring a pass rush off the edge.
But both lack the prototypical size for an NFL defensive end. Both are a bit short (Kindle at 6-2 ½ and Hughes at 6-1 ½) and a bit light (Hughes at 255 and Kindle at 250). The NFL prefers its ends in the 6-4, 270 range.
But with the recent rush of NFL teams to the 3-4 defensive scheme, Hughes and Kindle loom as attractive commodities this April as outside, pass-rushing linebackers.
In 2006, only six teams in the NFL lined up in a 3-4 scheme. But four of them qualified for the playoffs, three won division titles, Baltimore led the NFL in defense and San Diego led in sacks. So the pendulum started swinging back from the 4-3 to the 3-4 defensive scheme.
In 2010, 14 teams will be using a 3-4. Denver, Green Bay, Kansas City and San Francisco switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 in 2009, and Buffalo and Washington will join the parade in 2010.
A 3-4 team has finished No. 1 in the NFL in defense for four consecutive seasons: the Jets in 2009, the Steelers in 2007-08 and the Ravens in 2006. A 3-4 team also has led the NFL in takeaways the last three seasons: Green Bay in 2009, Baltimore in 2008 and San Diego in 2007. The Cowboys led the NFL in sacks in 2008 in their 3-4.
The success of the scheme has driven up the stock of all the undersized college pass rushers because more and more teams are searching for them.
The Washington Redskins used a first-round draft pick on Texas end Brian Orakpo in 2009, projecting him as a strongside linebacker. He responded with 11 sacks to finish seventh in the NFL. Elvis Dumervil led the league with 17 sacks while rushing from his weakside linebacker spot in the Denver 3-4 last season.
Hughes turned in a 4.69 40-yard dash at the combine and Kindle a 4.71. Dumervil (5-11, 252) ran a 4.75 at his combine.
Hughes collected 11 ½ sacks last season and 16 ½ in his career. Kindle posted 10 sacks as a junior at linebacker in 2008 before moving to end in 2009. He's eager to return to linebacker in the NFL.
"That's where I started," Kindle said. "It's a plus for me that I learned how to play defensive end as well in 2009. That makes me a little more versatile."
There are other beneficiaries in the NFL's downsizing of pass rushers. Clemson's Ricky Sapp (6-3, 252) ran a 4.70 at the combine, Arizona State's Dexter Davis (6-2, 244) a 4.64 and James Madison's Arthur Moats (6-0, 246) a 4.66.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/030710dnspogosselin.3a77f93.html
One of the better sports writers out there IMO.
Southside Tirant
03-30-2010, 12:37 PM
Walters new Mock Draft...
1st- Tennessee Titans: Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
Oh no. I'm willing to bet that 9,999 out of 10,000 Titans fans hate this pick. I'd hate this pick if I were a Titans fan too. But I think it could absolutely happen.
Tennessee's front office loves drafting workout warriors. Think about it. In 2009, it was Kenny Britt, who ran a very impressive 4.47 40 and leaped 37 inches despite being 6-3, 210. In 2008, it was Chris Johnson, who has the fastest official 40 ever at the Combine. In 2007, it was Michael Griffin, who ran a 4.45 - the best 40 time for any safety in that class.
Carlos Dunlap likes to fall asleep at intersections at 2 a.m. and has work ethic issues, but there's no denying his physical ability. At 6-6, 279, Dunlap sprinted a 4.61 on a wet surface at his Pro Day (which equates to a 4.56 on a dry one). He has massive upside and fills a big position of need. He also interviewed well at the Combine, so that could save him from his DUI.
I won't agree with them, but I think the Titans will heavily consider Dunlap at No. 16 overall. (Same as th Last)
3rd-Tennessee Titans: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB/KR, IUP
Corner is one of Tennessee's two greatest needs; the team has nothing across from Cortland Finnegan, as Nick Harper was continuously torched all season, especially in a crucial Christmas game against the Chargers.
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah had five return touchdowns for Indiana of Pennsylvania in 2009. (I Love this pick)
3rd-Tennessee Titans: Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida
Justin Gage and Nate Washington are OK, but they're not long-term secondary receivers. The Titans will love Carlton Mitchell's measurables
4th-Tennessee Titans: Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati
The Titans should look into finding a young quarterback in the middle rounds of the 2010 NFL Draft. If Vince Young takes a step backward, they'll need an alternative plan. (I'd be sick if our team picked this bum, the guy is built like a stick)
5th- Tennessee Titans: David Pender, CB, Purdue
Another corner. When your goal is to beat Peyton Manning, you need all the talented defensive backs you can get.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
TTP77
03-30-2010, 12:44 PM
I hate the Tony Pike pick. I also disagree we need yet another WR. Safety is a much bigger need.
Southside Tirant
03-30-2010, 12:46 PM
Matt McGuire's 2010 NFL Mock Draft...
1st-Tennessee Titans: Everson Griffen, DE, USC
I think when it's all said and done this pick will be a defensive lineman. This team is desperate for a playmaking lineman after Kyle Vanden Bosch opted for Detroit in free agency. Griffen has several faults as a player and I'm personally not a huge fan of his game tape (soft, not very productive, low percentage of snaps), but a team like the Titans with a great defensive line coach in Jim Washburn will feel like they can coach up Griffen. He has an elite first step and speed off the edge, but his tape doesn't match his talent.
3rd-Tennessee Titans: A.J. Jefferson, CB, Fresno State
I think Jefferson is a third-round pick and I know the Titans are desperate for corner help. (This kid lit up the combine in almost every event!)
3rd-Tennessee Titans: Larry Asante, SS, Nebraska
It is really hard to get starters at this point in the 2010 NFL Draft, so the Titans make a classic value pick emphasizing talent over need. (It is a need!)
Southside Tirant
03-30-2010, 12:48 PM
I hate the Tony Pike pick. I also disagree we need yet another WR. Safety is a much bigger need.
You and me both! That guy is built like gumby, And he would break after the first hit! Not to mention he has an arm filled with screws right now.
TTP77
03-30-2010, 12:48 PM
me likey much better!
TTP77
03-30-2010, 12:59 PM
If we draft a QB this is who I want...
http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/qs-2-b
WV QB Jarrett Brown in a later round. He's projected to go around 5th.
Southside Tirant
03-30-2010, 01:04 PM
me likey much better!
After months of digesting this years draft... If Morgan is gone, I'm praying we go in a different direction all together! LB or CB... I'm just not sold on these other DE's, Atleast where were picking! Dunlap and Griffen both seem like they belong in the tail-end of the first round, And who wants to take a chance on J.P.Paul after just starting 11 games in College? The only other DE i like is Brandon Graham, But he seems like he'd be available further down in the 1st round also! Am i crazy, Or does anybody else agree?
TTP77
03-30-2010, 01:21 PM
I am sort of warming to Brian Price. He's smaller but his play reminds me of Big Al in a way. Check this out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irQMYESMEaY
ppl would say it's a reach but who cares if we get a great player who can contribute immediately?
a few scouting reports...
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010bprice.php
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2408
Southside Tirant
03-30-2010, 01:25 PM
If we draft a QB this is who I want...
http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/qs-2-b
WV QB Jarrett Brown in a later round. He's projected to go around 5th.
I agree, I'd love to see us draft him, The only bad thing i heard about him is... He thinks he's better then he actually is in games! He gets throw happy and doesn't make great decisions! But, He does have a great arm, I watched him in the Senior Bowl practices and he looked the best out of everybody i seen. He reminds me allot of Dennis Dixon from Pittsburgh.
TTP77
03-30-2010, 01:27 PM
Vince could be a big influence on him though don't you think? Unlike last year, I'm not saying we should draft him to take Vince's place, but to develop to have a good backup plan. And if we develop him and he turns out to be good he could be trade bait.
Southside Tirant
03-30-2010, 01:51 PM
The only problem is he may be too much like VY! But maybe it's not a problem at all, For the simple fact Dinger wouldn't have to change anything with the play calling if he had to sub in for any reason! And like you said VY could be a great person to learn from if they are indeed anything similar. He's at the top of my list of QB's I'd want us to draft though.
But back to what you were saying about Brian Price, I kind of feel like how you do about the CB position with the DT position, If that makes since? We have 5 DT's under contract (T.Brown, J.Jones, J.Haye, S.D.Marks, K.Vickerson), We know what we'll get from T.Brown! And the rest are kind of unknowns, All J.Jones needs to do is stay healthy and he can be great! I feel like J.Haye deserves this coming season to show if he belongs here or not, And Sen. Derrick was starting to come on at the end of last season and could be a force to reckon with this year. So i guess what I'm trying to say is... I'm not ready to write any of them off just yet!
TTP77
03-30-2010, 02:00 PM
If we did draft a DT I wonder if Haye or Vickerson have trade value....We could ship them out somewhere. Maybe not since Haye ranked pretty low in DT ratings. IDK that I would compare two young CB's in M & M with experienced guys like Haye and Vick. They've had a chance to shine and have only mostly been dull.
Johnnyb
03-30-2010, 11:49 PM
I love the Matt Maguire picks, Larry Asante is great and A.J. Jefferson could be good too. Not so sure about Everson Griffen but thats just cus i know nothing about him. All these picks would be awesome.
Even with the pick ups of Tye Hill, Will Weatherspoon, Jason Babin, I just see this as a way the FO can pick whoever the best defensive player is no matter what position and makes me really happy, so no matter who we get I'll be excited.
TTP77
03-31-2010, 05:52 AM
I still put CB low on the list but here's an article from the Bleacher Report on this draft's CB's
With the 2010 NFL Draft just a month away, I will be highlighting the top players at each position in this year's class.
These are my top cornerback prospects available in the 2010 NFL Draft.
1. Joe Haden, Florida
A two-time All-SEC selection and first-team All-American, Haden was a three-year starter for the Florida Gators and recorded 218 tackles, eight interceptions, and 34 pass break-ups.
Although he doesn't have ideal timed speed, Haden is easily the best cornerback in this year's draft class. He's a strong, physical corner with excellent ball skills, making him a player that could crack this year's top 10.
2. Kyle Wilson, Boise State
A four-year starter and three-time All-WAC selection with the Broncos, Wilson racked up 160 tackles and 11 interceptions in 50 career games.
Mike Mayock's favorite prospect of this year's draft class has shot up the boards this offseason. A true playmaker in the secondary, Wilson is a likely late first-round pick.
3. Kareem Jackson, Alabama
Despite never receiving all-conference honors in three years at Alabama, Jackson was a strong corner for the Crimson Tide, recording 159 tackles and five interceptions in 41 games.
A solid all-around cornerback prospect with good ball skills and football intelligence, Jackson has an outside chance of going in the first round of this year's draft.
4. Patrick Robinson, Florida State
Highlighted by a six-interception performance as a sophomore in 2007, Robinson four-year career at Florida State saw him record 117 tackles, seven interceptions, and 21 pass break-ups.
Robinson's potential doesn't quite match his production, but he's a high-upside corner that should find a home in the second round of this year's draft.
5. Devin McCourty, Rutgers
A three-year starter for the Scarlet Knights, McCourty totaled 238 tackles, six interceptions, and 27 pass break-ups in a 52 collegiate contests.
The brother of Tennessee Titans' cornerback Jason McCourty, Devin McCourty is one of this year's most athletic cornerback prospects. A high-upside player that could also contribute as a returner, McCourty is likely to go sometime in the second round.
TTP77
03-31-2010, 07:02 PM
Another Insider article...
A slow 40-yard dash time for a running back. A defensive end without the size and speed required by most NFL teams. A quarterback with a big brain but a small arm. Trouble off the field. No matter the reason, every draft brings its share of sleeper picks. Here, we'll define "sleepers" as players with third-round or lower projections who have skills that transfer well to the right NFL schemes. Here are 10 potential draft-day bargains who could make their future GMs look like geniuses.
Donald Butler, LB, Washington Huskies:
A great defender on a series of subpar teams, Butler finally got noticed in his senior season and crashed his way onto the combine invite list with a great Senior Bowl week. At 6-foot-1 and 245 pounds, Butler is a versatile linebacker who projects best outside in a 4-3 scheme. He can hit the run downhill and drop into coverage -- and his best football might be ahead of him.
Dezmon Briscoe, WR, Kansas Jayhawks:
Briscoe isn't a downfield speedster, but he has a nose for the end zone (31 touchdowns in 37 games), and he gets clean from coverage with good route running. There have been questions about his consistency and ability to run a full route tree out of Kansas' spread offense, but he looked much better than expected at the combine. In a group of receivers who didn't impress with their route correctness, Briscoe looked better than most.
Brandon Lang, DE, Troy Trojans:
There's a legacy connected to Troy "endbackers" based on Osi Umenyiora and DeMarcus Ware, and Lang fits the mold. He blew up for 18 sacks and 29 tackles for loss in his last two seasons. But while Ware and Umenyiora were known to run 40s in the 4.6- to 4.8-second range, Lang was closer to 5.0 at the combine. He showed more quickness at his pro day, especially in the agility drills that could be just as important an indicator of his ability to crash into the backfield after the snap.
Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma State Cowboys:
Of all the quarterbacks who actually threw at the combine, Robinson might have been the most surprising. He played in a spread offense with the Cowboys but has a pro-style overhand delivery, solid seven-step drops and the arm strength to make the 35-yard post-corner throw. The spread stigma will limit his draft prospects, but Robinson has the mechanics to transcend the issues common to most who fail in that transition.
Linval Joseph, DT, East Carolina Pirates:
A surprisingly disruptive interior presence for his size (6-5, 330), Joseph is a wide body with 5-flat speed. Where he breaks down is in overall stamina and ability to redirect in a hurry -- he can be taken out by better blockers because of this. Joseph is projected as a mid-round pick because of these issues, but any team looking for a nose tackle/3-tech hybrid in a rotation, who can stand at the point and wreak havoc in the backfield if he's fresh, should pay attention.
LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon Ducks:
There were red flags on Blount before he sucker-punched Boise State defensive end Byron Hout and lost 10 games of the 2009 season to a suspension. Blount now is trying to be upright about his past issues; whether this is just a case of a guy who knows the money is near remains to be seen. After two years in junior college, he had only one full season at the Football Bowl Subdivision level, but Blount has the inside power to make a difference as a two-down basher in a running back committee.
Myron Lewis, CB/S, Vanderbilt Commodores:
Lewis' primary problem right now might be that NFL teams don't know his best position. Like Antrel Rolle, he might be best served by switching from cornerback to free safety when he hits the NFL. That might have been a demotion of sorts in past seasons, but safeties are becoming more important in the grand scheme of things as defenses are dealing with more dynamic passing games. Lewis is a physical player with limited short-area quickness and transition speed, making him a quality candidate for a position switch.
Seyi Ajirotutu, WR, Fresno State Bulldogs:
Perennially underrated as defenses focused on ace running back Ryan Mathews, Ajirotutu caught 47 and 49 passes in his last two seasons -- and touchdown passes in five of his last six games. Not a speed receiver or a notable route runner, he has good hands and no quarrel with catching the ball over the middle. Ajirotutu also is a willing blocker who could make the climb from reserve to starter in time.
Eric Olsen, C, Notre Dame Fighting Irish:
The center position requires an intellectual stronghold on the game that often transcends measurables, which is why undrafted "nobodies" make the Pro Bowl as often as first-round picks do. As the point man in Charlie Weis' pro-style offense (Weis called him the offense's "heart and soul"), Olsen has the smarts and mean streak to jump from third-day projection to offensive line cornerstone despite sub-elite athletic ability.
Marshall Newhouse, G, TCU Horned Frogs:
Newhouse might project as a tackle in the NFL with his impressive athleticism. At 6-4, 320, and capable of running a sub-5 40, Newhouse is a smart player with an excellent football background -- his uncle Robert Newhouse played fullback for the Cowboys for 12 seasons. An excellent drive blocker inside, he might not have the quickness to go with that track speed, but he'll be a good fit where versatility is valued.
TTP77
03-31-2010, 07:37 PM
more visits
The Titans have scheduled a Friday visit with former Mount Juliet quarterback Levi Brown, the Sun Belt Conference Player of the Year last season at Troy.
Central Michigan quarterback Dan LeFevour is also scheduled to visit Baptist Sports Park before the April 22–24 NFL Draft.
Brown has already had private meetings with the Panthers, Bills and Saints. Next week he’s scheduled to meet with the Chargers. He threw for 3,868 yards with 22 touchdowns last season for Troy. He started his college career at Richmond.
NFL teams are allowed to have pre-draft visits with 30 players, but local players such as Brown don't count against the total.
TTP77
03-31-2010, 08:10 PM
sigh...ruh roh. may need to strike Brian Price off my wish list...
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 31, 2010 2:19 PM ET
B. Price.jpgIn the shadow of the Boz, UCLA defensive tackle Brian Price worked out for pro scouts Tuesday.
Price is widely seen as a late first-round pick that could be a 3-4 DE, but SI's Tony Pauline writes that he didn't help himself during his Pro Day Tuesday.
"He was sloppy and looked a bit out of shape. People commented on his poor body conditioning," Pauline writes.
We don't think he looks too bad in this video, but we established long ago that we know nothing.
Old Oilers Fan
03-31-2010, 08:11 PM
Thanks TTP77 I can see the Titans going after that Center Eric Olsen he sounds like the type of linemen that they like.
Eric Olsen, C, Notre Dame Fighting Irish:
The center position requires an intellectual stronghold on the game that often transcends measurables, which is why undrafted "nobodies" make the Pro Bowl as often as first-round picks do. As the point man in Charlie Weis' pro-style offense (Weis called him the offense's "heart and soul"), Olsen has the smarts and mean streak to jump from third-day projection to offensive line cornerstone despite sub-elite athletic ability.
TTP77
03-31-2010, 08:17 PM
I wouldn't mind taking a late flier or signing as an UDFA Myron Lewis.
TTP77
03-31-2010, 08:34 PM
Thought this was interesting on Todd McShay
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/todd-mcshay-backlash-builds/
TTP77
04-01-2010, 12:21 PM
Another good Rick Gosselin article
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/032810dnspogosselin.3bd0e9c.html
TTP77
04-01-2010, 01:55 PM
More video and info on Brian Price from UCLA's pro day
http://www.bruinsnation.com/2010/3/31/1399715/more-video-highlights-from-uclas
EDIT: He didn't look out of shape to me. I'm really high on this guy right now. Watch that youtube video. He really does remind me of Big Al.
Here's what a Giant blogger posted about him.
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/2/2/1287658/daily-nfl-draft-prospect-profile
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/brian-price.html
http://www.nfldraft101.com/profiles/156609/Brian_Price.jsp
http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-03-25/prospect-profile-brian-price-dt-ucla
TTP77
04-01-2010, 03:20 PM
More updates from Insider
USC
S Taylor Mays -- The fact that Mays did not run the 40-yard dash at USC's pro day on Wednesday might have disappointed fans but it makes sense. He blazed a time of 4.31 seconds at the NFL combine and covers a lot of ground on film, so the bigger priority was showing that concerns over his stiff hips in coverage are exaggerated.
However, Mays didn't look fluid or comfortable changing directions during position drills. He still projects as a first-round pick because there will likely be at least one team that falls in love with his size/speed combination enough to take him on Day 1.
DE Everson Griffen -- Griffen improved his 40 time to 4.60 after running a 4.66 at the combine, which is impressive considering he is in the 270-pound range. It's another step in the right direction for Griffen, who has shown scouts he's versatile enough to line up at end in a base four-man front or outside linebacker in a base three-man front. Don't be surprised to see him sneak into the first round.
WR Damian Williams -- We would have liked to have seen Williams run the 40 after he posted a 4.52 at the combine, but that's still functional NFL speed. More importantly, Williams showed during drills why he projects as a second-round pick by running crisp routes and catching the ball well.
TE Anthony McCoy -- McCoy decided to go through position drills despite the fact that he's got tonsillitis and the move paid off. He looked athletic running routes and caught the ball well, something he struggled with during senior bowl week. Factor in McCoy's above-average blocking and he should come off the board early in the third round or perhaps late in the second.
OT Charles Brown -- Brown pulled up with what appeared to be a hamstring injury while running the 40 and he did not participate in position drills. Brown also missed the Senior Bowl and did not run at the Combine because of a calf injury, but he looked good during position drills at the Combine. The injuries don't appear to be serious and Brown shows good feet on film so he still projects as a second-round pick.
CB Kevin Thomas -- His stock continues to rise after a strong workout. Thomas improved his 40 time from 4.48 to 4.43 and looked quick transitioning out of breaks, and he showed teams during position drills that he can snatch the ball out of the air. Thomas projects as a fifth-round pick and could move up a bit more because teams are sure to go back to the film for a second look.
Other workouts
CB Perrish Cox -- He was not allowed to work out with his former college teammates at Oklahoma State's pro day so Cox performed for 10 teams in Waco, Texas, on Tuesday. There were substantial discrepancies in his 40 times -- mid 4.4s with the wind, mid 4.5s against it -- but all were improvements over the 4.63 he ran at the combine.
In addition, Cox has lost four pounds since the Combine and he looked to be in excellent shape at 191 pounds. However, while he showed during his workout that he has a lot of natural ability and his film shows a playmaker Cox projects as a late-second round pick because of character issues.
S Nate Allen -- Allen re-aggravated the quad injury that prevented him from working out at the Combine during South Florida's pro day. He showed some toughness by participating in position drills is hoping the injury will heal enough for him to run for teams before the draft. Allen's greatest strengths on film are his range and fluid hips so we expect him to run well when he gets the chance, but in the meantime he's missing the opportunity to push Mays for the No. 3 safety spot on our board.
TTP77
04-01-2010, 03:30 PM
Scouts latest top 32
1. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 98
2. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 97
3. Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma 96
4. Eric Berry* S Tennessee 96
5. Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State 96
6. Bryan Bulaga* OT Iowa 95
7. Earl Thomas* S Texas 95
8. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 94
9. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 94
10. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 94
11. Joe Haden* CB Florida 94
12. Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State 94
13. Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 93
14. Dan Williams DT Tennessee 93
15. Rolando McClain* ILB Alabama 93
16. Brandon Graham OLB Michigan 93
17. Mike Iupati G Idaho 93
18. Kareem Jackson* CB Alabama 93
19. Maurkice Pouncey* C Florida 92
20. Kyle Wilson CB Boise State 92
21. Demaryius Thomas* WR Georgia Tech 92
22. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 92
23. Everson Griffen* DE USC 92
24. Jermaine Gresham* TE Oklahoma 92
25. Anthony Davis* OT Rutgers 92
26. Devin McCourty CB Rutgers 91
27. Taylor Mays S USC 91
28. Jared Odrick DT Penn State 90
29. Ryan Mathews* RB Fresno State 90
30. Sean Weatherspoon OLB Missouri 90
31. Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 89
32. Jerry Hughes OLB TCU 89
Southside Tirant
04-01-2010, 03:43 PM
Bucky Brooks Mock draft 4.0
1. St. Louis Rams
Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
Bradford solidified his status as the top player in the draft with his sensational workout this week; he becomes the new face of the Rams' franchise. (Previous pick: Bradford)
2. Detroit Lions
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
The Lions' offseason moves to acquire help along the defensive line could dictate their draft-day intentions. Okung is the top-rated offensive tackle on the board and provides immediate protection for last year's No. 1 pick, Matthew Stafford. (Previous pick: Okung)
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
McCoy is a better fit in the Buccaneers' Tampa 2 scheme, but Ndamukong Suh is an intriguing possibility due to his outstanding skill set. (Previous pick: McCoy)
4. Washington Redskins
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Jimmy Clausen and Suh will garner plenty of consideration at this pick, but the 'Skins have serious questions at both tackle spots and their offense will remain stuck in neutral until they address the offensive line. (Previous pick: Williams)
5. Kansas City Chiefs
Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
Suh's unexpected availability will tempt the Chiefs' brass to use another top pick on a defensive lineman, but the team needs to provide Matt Cassel with better protection to maximize his potential. (Previous pick: Bulaga)
6. Seattle Seahawks
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Pete Carroll rebuilds the Seahawks defense with Suh playing a pivotal role in the center of the defense. His dominating presence on the inside should allow the team's underrated cast of linebackers to fly to the ball uninterrupted. (Previous pick: Anthony Davis)
7. Cleveland Browns
Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
Berry has outstanding skills as a playmaker, and his versatility vastly improves the Browns' secondary. (Previous pick: Berry)
8. Oakland Raiders
Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Al Davis takes a chance on Davis' immense potential; the former Rutgers star has the tools to be an all-star caliber offensive tackle if he improves his work ethic and focus. (Previous pick: Ndamukong Suh)
9. Buffalo Bills
Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
Clausen has top-10 talent, but teams have concerns about his intangibles; still, if he can impress Bills' brass at his pro day, he could become the team's new franchise QB on draft day. (Previous pick: Clausen)
10. Jacksonville Jaguars
Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
Jack Del Rio and Co. will look long and hard at Dez Bryant at this pick, but McClain's outstanding skills and intangibles would make him a natural leader on the Jaguars' rebuilt defense. (Previous pick: Derrick Morgan)
11. Denver Broncos
Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
The Broncos' decision to select Bryant would surprise some, but Josh McDaniels witnessed the impact of Randy Moss during his time in New England. Although Bryant carries some baggage, his talent will be a boon to the Broncos offense and give the team options for dealing with Brandon Marshall. (Previous pick: Rolando McClain)
12. Miami Dolphins
Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
The Dolphins need a legitimate pass rusher after losing Joey Porter (and possibly Jason Taylor) during the offseason. Kindle has explosive rush skills and shows a knack for creating disruption off the edge. (Previous pick: Kindle)
13. San Francisco 49ers
Joe Haden, CB, Florida
Haden made amends for his disappointing 40 at the combine by posting 4.4s during his workout at Florida. With his speed issues sufficiently addressed, the 49ers add the talented playmaker to their lineup to hold down the corner opposite Nate Clements. (Previous pick: Haden)
14. Seattle Seahawks
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Spiller gives the Seahawks a "do-it-all" playmaker in the backfield. His ability to score from anywhere on the field should alleviate some of the pressure on Matt Hasselbeck. (Previous pick: Spiller)
15. New York Giants
Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
Weatherspoon steps into the void created by the release of Antonio Pierce, and he gives the team a rock-solid player in the middle of its defense. (Previous pick: Weatherspoon)
16. Tennessee Titans
Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
Morgan gives the Titans a workmanlike pass rusher with an outstanding motor on the edge. He may not dazzle with his athleticism, but his production and toughness make him an ideal fit in Tennessee. (Previous pick: Kyle Wilson)
17. San Francisco 49ers
Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
Iupati is a rugged blocker capable of dominating the point of attack. His presence on the interior should upgrade the 49ers' potent rushing attack. (Previous pick: Iupati)
18. Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
The Steelers could look to upgrade their offensive line with a player such as Maurkice Pouncey, but Wilson is an outstanding cover man with the skills to shine in the Steelers' aggressive defense. (Previous pick: Dan Williams)
19. Atlanta Falcons
Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
The Falcons have needs at linebacker and defensive end. Here, they opt for a pass rusher in hopes of improving their 28th-ranked pass defense. Graham may be undersized by some standards, but his production and relentless motor make him too good to pass up at this pick. (Previous pick: Graham)
20. Houston Texans
Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State
The Texans' explosive offense is a consistent runner away from being regarded as an elite attack. Mathews is a big, physical runner with home run potential. (Previous pick: Mathews)
21. Cincinnati Bengals
Earl Thomas, S, Texas
The Bengals could use this pick to address their tight end situation (Jermaine Gresham), but Thomas is a highly rated safety with outstanding instincts and ball skills. (Previous pick: Dez Bryant)
22. New England Patriots
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
The losses of Jarvis Green and Richard Seymour over the past year threaten to cripple the interior of the Patriots defense. Odrick is a high-motor defender with the skills and versatility to play multiple roles in Bill Belichick's defense. (Previous pick: Odrick)
23. Green Bay Packers
Charles Brown, OT, USC
Brown gives the team a developmental prospect to groom as an eventual successor to Chad Clifton or Mark Tauscher. (Previous pick: Brown)
24. Philadelphia Eagles
Maurkice Pouncey, C/G, Florida
Jamaal Jackson's ACL injury creates a huge hole in the middle of the Eagles' line. Pouncey gives the team an immediate starter at center with the versatility to move to guard when Jackson returns to health. (Previous pick: Earl Thomas)
25. Baltimore Ravens
Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
The Ravens have an obvious need at tight end, but this team typically takes the best available player on the board regardless of position. Williams would give the Ravens a young defensive tackle to pair with Haloti Ngata in the middle of their defense. (Previous pick: Jermaine Gresham)
26. Arizona Cardinals
Jason Pierre-Paul, OLB, South Florida
The Cardinals signed Joey Porter during free agency, but still needs to add another pass rusher after losing Bertrand Berry and Chike Okeafor in the offseason. Pierre-Paul flashed dominant rush skills in his only season of major college football, and could emerge as a difference maker as a pro. (Previous pick: Pierre-Paul)
27. Dallas Cowboys
Taylor Mays, S, USC
The most impressive athlete in the draft has the tools to be a dynamic playmaker in the Cowboys' secondary. Although he has some limitations due to his size, Mays' potential could be too enticing for Jerry Jones to pass up. (Previous pick: Mays)
28. San Diego Chargers
Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
Running back is a glaring need for the Chargers after LaDainian Tomlinson's departure, but the depth at that position is excellent and allows the team to address a big need at nose tackle. Though Cody's weight is a concern, his ability to occupy double and triple teams will undoubtedly improve the Chargers' run D. (Previous pick: Cody)
29. New York Jets
Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
The Jets need to add more weapons to their aerial attack to fully maximize Mark Sanchez's potential. Thomas is a dynamic playmaker with the size and athleticism to create mismatches down the field. (Previous pick: Thomas)
30. Minnesota Vikings
Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
Injuries to Cedric Griffin and Antoine Winfield make it necessary for the Vikings to address their cornerback position early in the draft. McCourty's athleticism, toughness and awareness make him an ideal fit in the Vikings' two-deep scheme. (Previous pick: McCourty)
31. Indianapolis Colts
Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
The Colts have evolved from extensively playing Tampa 2 to incorporating more man-to-man coverage in their game plan. Robinson is an outstanding cover man with the versatility to play in either scheme. (Previous pick: Maurkice Pouncey)
32. New Orleans Saints
Everson Griffen, DE, USC
The Saints could opt for a linebacker at this spot, but Griffen's rush skills fill an obvious need with Charles Grant no longer in the team's plans. (Previous pick: Griffen)
TTP77
04-01-2010, 03:46 PM
meh, that's a horrible mock IMO. No way the G-men draft an LB over a Dlineman IMO. I don't see the Jags passing on Haden either. I do like our pick though lol. I also think the Skins will take Clausen.
TTP77
04-01-2010, 03:47 PM
Latest big board
Big Board Bar
1
Ndamukong Suh
DT
6-4
300
Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1
2
Gerald McCoy
DT
6-4
297
Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2
3
Eric Berry
DB
5-11
203
Analysis: Ultimate playmaker in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3
4
Jimmy Clausen
QB
6-3
223
Analysis: Accurate, under-center experience, competitive and tough. Last week: No. 4
5
Sam Bradford
QB
6-4
223
Analysis: Underrated arm, great feel for position, super accurate. Last week: No. 5
6
Derrick Morgan
DE
6-4
275
Analysis: Solid pass-rusher and stout versus the run. Very productive. Last week: No. 6
7
Russell Okung
OT
6-5
300
Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blindside pass-protector. Last week: No. 7
8
Jason Pierre-Paul
DE
6-5
262
Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher; raw but physically gifted. Last week: No. 8
9
C.J. Spiller
RB
5-11
195
Analysis: Multitalented, versatile, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 9
10
Trent Williams
OT
6-5
318
Analysis: Long and strong. Can help immediately at RT. Last week: No. 10
11
Dan Williams
DT
6-3
327
Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 11
12
Earl Thomas
S
5-10
197
Analysis: Covers a ton of ground, great in big games. Last week: 12
13
Dez Bryant
WR
6-2
220
Analysis: Dynamic receiver and returner. Draft's best downfield threat. Last week: No. 13
14
Bryan Bulaga
OT
6-6
312
Analysis: A fantastic pass-protecting tackle; long arms, solid feet. Last week: No. 16
15
Joe Haden
CB
5-11
190
Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 14
16
Rolando McClain
LB
6-4
258
Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 15
17
Brandon Graham
DE
6-2
270
Analysis: Awesome athlete, force off the edge, led nation in TFLs. Last week: No. 17
18
Maurkice Pouncey
C/G
6-5
318
Analysis: Athletic, versatile interior lineman. Rising quickly. Last week: No. 18
19
Sergio Kindle
LB
6-4
255
Analysis: Improved all season; prototype 3-4 OLB in NFL. Last week: No. 19
20
Devin McCourty
CB
5-11
190
Analysis: Top-end speed, solid cover and ball skills. Last week: No. 20
21
Colt McCoy
QB
6-2
210
Analysis: Great leader with underrated physical skills and arm. Last week: NR
22
Kareem Jackson
CB
6-0
193
Analysis: Physical defensive back with improved cover skills. Last week: No. 22
23
Arrelious Benn
WR
6-2
220
Analysis: Explosive, physical wideout; strong in return game. Last week: No. 21
24
Demaryius Thomas
WR
6-3
229
Analysis: Physical wideout; home run threat in a vertical scheme. Last week: No. 23
Southside Tirant
04-01-2010, 03:57 PM
meh, that's a horrible mock IMO. No way the G-men draft an LB over a Dlineman IMO. I don't see the Jags passing on Haden either. I do like our pick though lol. I also think the Skins will take Clausen.
You don't think they'd want to replace A.Pierce early? I will say this... If your right and Morgan falls, They'll be the team to take him right in front of us!
TTP77
04-01-2010, 04:00 PM
I've seen Brian Price mocked quite a bit to them too though. The LB class is pretty deep IMO. They were horrible against the run. I think the G-men are a lot like us in that they think it all starts in the trenches....which it does.
Southside Tirant
04-01-2010, 04:10 PM
The Giants are on the clock and they select with the 15th pick in the 2010 draft... Derrick Morgan from Georgia Tech. You'd be pissed! Screaming at the television. Probably throw something, lol. I know i would. lol
TTP77
04-01-2010, 04:17 PM
haha, probably so. it all depends. we've given Dinger his choice of offensive players two years in a row now. It's time to focus on our defense. If we are serious about contending we must fix our line. Really we're not all that special at either end or tackle. now i like ford and hayes a lot but adding another good de to the mix would help. and i know i'm in the minority but i think we need to add another tackle if the guy is someone you think could be special. it will be interesting to see how this draft falls.
TTP77
04-01-2010, 05:17 PM
I love football, but this time of year you won't find me obsessing over the NFL draft. I'm not going to be hanging with Jets fans at Madison Garden on draft day. Like most players, my time during the offseason is precious.
I will be paying attention to what teams do this April, though. And this year poses a couple of classic draft questions:
1. Do you go with need, or the best player available?
It depends on how great your need is. If you have a big hole at a position and there's somebody in the draft who can fill it when it's your time on the clock, then take him. That's common sense. But "need" goes out the door when you've got the chance to grab a phenomenal athlete, a guy who comes along only once every five drafts. I think Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy are both that good. They're both D-tackles, but they're very different players. I see Suh as a Richard Seymour type, who can play end in a 3-4 scheme or tackle in a 4-3. And McCoy is more like Warren Sapp, a guy who penetrates on the interior and gets to the quarterback. I can't imagine passing on either of them. So which one do you take? Whichever fits your scheme the best. But, man, it's tough to choose.
2. Which question marks should a team worry about more: physical issues or character?
That question has come up this year because of the Sam Bradford-Jimmy Clausen debate. With Clausen, I guess some people are worried about character issues. They worry about his leadership and maturity. Can he handle being the No. 1 quarterback picked and all the money he'll receive?
With Bradford, the question is about his durability. It's a huge risk to sink all that money into somebody who might not see the field much because of injuries. If you ask me, I think character is more important than durability. Bad character can affect the whole team, especially if that guy is supposed to be your leader. I don't worry as much about durability, because you can always strengthen a guy, and strengthen the guys around him. If you have a good O-line, your quarterback is not going to get hit as much. On a good team, especially, you can afford not to worry as much about durability.
I think both Bradford and Clausen are going to be good quarterbacks in this league. But from what I've seen and heard from other guys around the league, and because of the pro-style system he was in under Charlie Weis, I'd take Clausen. I think his character issues, if he has any, will be fine; the veterans around him will make sure of that.
One side note: The draft isn't the only thing going on. The recent owners' meeting made some noise with a change to the overtime rule. It's a change I can live with since it gives both teams a chance. It seems fair.
The other interesting change from the player's perspective: They're moving the umpire into the offensive backfield because two zebras got concussions last season and three others were injured bad enough to need surgery. I just wonder if this might change how often guys get called for holding.
Anonymous NFL player who blogs on ESPN.
Southside Tirant
04-01-2010, 05:41 PM
I understand what your saying about the DT position, Is it a need? "Define need". Jeff Fisher always Say's the draft is to upgrade the roster! So on that point, Yes it is a position that can be upgraded. Do we absolutely need to draft a DT? No, Because there's no glaring hole there. I wouldn't mind drafting a DT just as long as it doesn't interfere with a absolute need on the roster. But again if the DT's on the roster right now preform like they did last year, Everyone's going to say why didn't we upgrade the position.
TTP77
04-01-2010, 06:09 PM
Southside is my long lost twin lol. seriously tho yea that's what i'm talking about! Sigh...haven't said anything about Witherspoon signing because I wasn't sure I could be unbiased. But IMO Keith is gone and he's our starter at OLB opposite Thornton. McRath will backup Thornton unless he wins the job in camp. then he will start alongside Witherspoon with Tulloch in the middle. We're not guaranteeing 5 mill to Witherspoon to sit him unless he's injured. If it were me I wouldn't draft an LB in the first....unless like I said it was a special player. IDK none of the first round LB"s do it for me except McClain. I think they are good I just don't get the warm and fuzzies about drafting them. I like the Dlinemen a lot better. But it's impossible to say what you should do because you don't know who will fall.
Johnnyb
04-01-2010, 11:20 PM
There's no way we take a LB in the first unless some how McClain falls to us. I love Sean Weatherspoon but I just don't see him fitting in with our team. He's a very "me" type player and I just don't see Fisher taking him. McClain on the other hand is a selfless, smart, team player who can play inside or outside depending on what the coaches would want. We would only take him because he's too good of a talent to pass up. Too bad there's no way he'll get to us though, he's been awesome to watch down here in Tuscaloosa.
TTP77
04-02-2010, 07:54 AM
I really like McClain too. But I don't think he'll fall to us. If we do then god I hope we snatch him up.
TTP77
04-02-2010, 08:01 AM
Link to some info on USC's pro day. They are calling Griffen "The Freak." Me no likey. :mad
http://usc.scout.com/2/958663.html
TTP77
04-02-2010, 09:28 AM
Total Titans looks at DE Morgan
http://totaltitans.com/2010-articles/march/tennessee-titans-prospect-profile-derrick-morgan.html
TTP77
04-02-2010, 10:54 AM
ProFootballWeekly has Price ranked low among DT's. Full rankings here....
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/04/01/top-10-draft-prospects-by-position
TTP77
04-02-2010, 11:06 AM
I may have found a perfect return specialist for us. maybe the next Josh Cribbs?
http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2010/mar/17/edwards-has-workout-for-pros/sports/
but of course we weren't there...:crazy
Edwards has more workouts scheduled in Boone. He said he will returns punts and kickoffs for the Jacksonville Jaguars today and then work at quarterback and wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers on Thursday, New England Patriots on Friday, Miami Dolphins next Monday and the Indianapolis Colts on March 30.
The Jaguars and Panthers had representatives at yesterday's Pro Day, along with the Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Kansas City Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers and Washington Redskins.
Southside Tirant
04-02-2010, 12:31 PM
I was going through that website you posted earlier TTP77, And I'm disgusted seeing this article for some odd reason... If this happens I'll break my TV!
"Which players will be off the board when the Titans are on the clock?"
Looking at the above team needs, the worst-case scenario for the Titans would be as follows (assuming no trades are made.)
Seattle takes DE Derrick Morgan at #6, Cleveland selects Haden at #7, the Jags take Thomas at #10 and Denver drafts McClain at #11. Miami then takes Kindle at #12, the 49ers go with Graham at #13, the Seahawks take CB Kyle Wilson at #14 and the Giants select DE Jason Pierre-Paul with the 15th selection.
If that worst-case scenario takes place, the Titans would have to select from the likes of DEs Everson Griffen or Carlos Dunlap, neither of whom I'm excited about. My personal wishlist and big board is as follows:
http://totaltitans.com/2010-articles/march/which-players-will-be-off-the-board-when-the-titans-are-on-the-clock.html
TTP77
04-02-2010, 12:36 PM
yea i'd hate that too. griffen projects more as an OLB in the 3/4.
TTP77
04-02-2010, 02:10 PM
you can do your own draft here and submit it for a contest...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/features/draftmachine/
Southside Tirant
04-02-2010, 06:09 PM
you can do your own draft here and submit it for a contest...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/features/draftmachine/
I did it like a month ago! It's only the 1st round correct?
Also just seen something on Espn.com about the Brown's trade for S.Brown would most likely change there need for a CB in the 1st round! Hopefully they take a DT or some position we don't need and leave us with more options to choose from! After seeing that article earlier, I think we need as much luck as possible.
TTP77
04-02-2010, 06:14 PM
I've gone through a couple scenarios. I think it's a real possibility Morgan could be there. In every mock I did CJ Spiller is there (don't see the value really until mid round). I'ma wait until closer in and then I'll post my draft. I think we'll see another trade or three.
Maximus
04-03-2010, 01:33 AM
Hmmm
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-hearsay-early-april-draft-buzz
TTP77
04-03-2010, 07:16 AM
University of Tennessee running back Montario Hardesty, a rising draft prospect, has upcoming visits with the Tennessee Titans, New York Jets, San Diego Chargers, Washington Redskins and the Denver Broncos, according to a source close to the program with knowledge of the situation.
Hardesty has previously visited the New England Patriots and the Buffalo Bills.
Hardesty is a 6-foot, 225-pounder with 4.49 speed in the 40-yard dash.
He turned in an impressive 41-inch vertical leap and a 10-04 broad jump at the NFL scouting combine, also bench pressing 225 pounds 21 times.
Hardesty emerged as a featured runner during his senior year, gaining a career-high 1,345 yards and scoring 13 touchdowns.
Plus, he registered 25 receptions for 302 yards and one touchdown.
For his career, he rushed for 2,391 yards and 26 touchdowns.
Hardesty has drawn second-round and third-round grades by most draft analysts.
TTP77
04-03-2010, 07:17 AM
Maximum that is interesting. thanks for posting it!
TTP77
04-03-2010, 07:38 AM
NFP's super 30.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-NFP-Super-30-5326.html
TTP77
04-03-2010, 07:50 AM
Point No. 1: Brian Price is going to unleash a quiet storm on the NFL.
Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh and Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy are worthy of all the praise and admiration that they are receiving as top defensive tackles in this year's draft class. But within the next couple of years, don't be surprised if Price--another likely first-round pick--emerges as this class' top defensive tackle.
The 6-foot-1, 303-pound lineman posted 23.5 tackles for a loss and seven sacks during his junior campaign for UCLA. His 1.81 tackles for a loss per game placed him in a tie for third-best nationally, and his 44.5 career tackles for a loss is the second-highest total in UCLA history--despite the fact that he only played three seasons.
"The Lord blessed me with a great first step," Price told me this week. "At UCLA, we play the run first, but sometimes I just get a feeling that tells me to get off the ball, and I go.
"If you use leverage and your hands correctly, getting your hands inside the offensive lineman's plates, you can drive him like a steering wheel and make plays."
Price's physical strength was readily apparent when he hoisted 34 reps at the NFL Combine compared to Suh's 32 and McCoy's 23. And he didn't miss a single game during his career at UCLA.
"I go to work every day with my lunch pail, ready to grind," he said.
I asked Price why he declared early for the draft, competing in this year's class with Suh and McCoy since he likely would have emerged as the undisputed top defensive tackle prospect in next year's class.
"I felt like I was that guy this year, which is why I came out," he said with a gentle laugh. "I'm underrated. I'm the underdog. So I wanted to compete against those guys."
Nicknamed "The Quiet Storm", Price is used to being the guy who flies under the radar. But based on his 24 formal interviews at the NFL Combine and the fact that he's got more than ten team visits and workouts already lined up with teams like the Atlanta Falcons and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the right people are noticing him.
I asked him how he got his nickname.
"My dad told me one day that I needed to talk trash while I was playing, get inside people's heads," Price explained. "But I told him that's not my style of play, I'm like a quiet storm--something you can't get prepared for because you don't know it's coming."
Mature beyond his years based on his life experiences growing up in South Central L.A. and hungry to prove that he belongs among the elite in the NFL, Brian Price is a player you should keep an eye on in the coming years.
http://profootball.scout.com/2/957809.html
TTP77
04-03-2010, 08:47 AM
TCU linebacker Daryl Washington has a big month ahead of him.
The 6’2”, 230-pounder is scheduled to meet with the New York Jets, Arizona Cardinals, New Orleans Saints and Tennessee Titans over the next few weeks, Washington told me via text message Friday night.
Washington—who’s known for his speed and ability to track ball carriers sideline-to-sideline—turned some heads at TCU’s pro day on March 12 when he ran a 4.54 twice in the 40-yard-dash. The senior finished with the sixth-best 40 time among linebackers at the combine in February when he ran a 4.63.
Washington was named first-team All Mountain West in 2009 after completing a season in which he racked up 109 stops (68 solo), two sacks, three interceptions and a touchdown for the 12-1 Horned Frogs. He finished his four-year career at TCU with 219 tackles.
The senior linebacker has already met with the Atlanta Falcons, Miami Dolphins and Washington Redskins.
NFP
TTP77
04-03-2010, 01:35 PM
ok, so here's my first mock draft. go ahead and pick it apart and/or laugh....:lol
1. St. Louis – Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma. Runner up would be Suh and/or McCoy but this seems the obvious pick.
2. Detroit - Russell Okung, OT, OKST. Go ahead and make fun. I know Schwartz is regarded as a defensive guy but he’s also a smart guy. They’re not paying Matt Stafford a gazillion dollars to lay flat on his back. He cannot continue to take the punishment he took last year and survive to become a franchise QB. IMO this is a much smarter and better value pick in the long run. Obviously Suh is a very close runner up.
3. Tampa Bay - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska. The Bucs get a great player and fill a need at the same time.
4. Washington Redskins - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame. First off this is not the pick I would make. The Skins need offensive line help in the worst way. But Snyder will be hell bent on getting a new QB and I give Clausen the edge over McCoy here. Personally, I would pick Okung or Bulaga.
5. Kansas City - Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa. Need meets value in a match made in draft heaven. Pioli will pick Bulago over Okung (the better pick) because of his Ferenz connection. A very close second would be Eric Berry. How do you pass up on him? Well, because you need to protect your franchise QB or your investment goes out the window.
6. Seattle - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma. The Hawks luck up and get a dominating tackle for their 4-3 defense. IMO the best DT in the draft. If Okung is still on the board then he will go here as McCoy is most likely gone.
7. Cleveland - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee. No brainer here. The Brownies practically run to the alter with this pick. If Berry isn’t there I’d see them taking one of the DE’s, possibly JPP (yay!)
8. Oakland - Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, SFLA. This was the funnest (is that a word?) pick of all. Ok, most fun…so there. You know crazy Al loves this guy. He can do back flips! Please Al, take him so he won’t be there when we pick….pretty please? Most mocks have them taking Bruce Campbell so he’ll be my runner up.
9. Buffalo - Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma. There isn’t a QB worth taking here and the Bills Oline was horrific last year. A very close runner up with be Dan Williams. They need a NT for the new 3-4 they are going to run, but I think they can get one later in the draft.
10. Jacksonville - Earl Thomas, S, Texas. The Jags are a lot of things but they aren’t stupid enough to pick Tebow with the #10 overall pick. Or….are they? But hey if they do then so much better for us! But I see the Hags picking either Haden or Thomas and I give the edge to Thomas because he’s a far superior athlete IMO. Haden gets the nod for runner up and as a Gator (which btw I think is overrated).
11. Denver - Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee. He’s perfect for that system and should be a great player for the Donkeys. A very distant runner up would be Dez Bryant.
12. Miami - Dez Bryant, WR, OKST. I must admit I struggled with this pick. Not a typical Parcells pick at all. But they need WR help in the worst way. Parcells spent some quality time with Dez, and if anyone can influence the young man I think its Tuna and company. A very close runner up would be an OLB like Brandon Graham or Sergio Kindle.
13. San Francisco - Joe Haden, CB, Florida. Need meets value again. This would be a great pick for the Niners if things fell this way. Runner up would be offensive line help particularly at tackle but I just don’t like Anthony Davis at this spot. They will fill that need later in the draft.
14. Seattle - C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson. I think this is a bit of a reach but having an excellent run game would help Seattle in their very poor passing game. Spiller is a multi-dimensional guy who can fill a lot of needs for the Hawks. They solidified their Dline with my first pick and then add an offensive threat. They can pick oline help later on. I just don’t see teams picking Anthony Davis this high. I’ll be surprised if Davis doesn’t fall to the second really.
15. NY Giants - Brian Price, DT, UCLA. This is the pick I had the hardest time settling on. It affects us greatly and their needs somewhat mirror ours. I was perusing (i.e. trolling) a lot of their sites lately and I’m not sure they will pick McClain here but it’s certainly a possibility. Apparently there is some concern over his long term health (he has Crohn’s disease). Also, he appears to project more to a 3-4 than a 4-3 and has stated publicly he prefers to stay in a 3-4 defense. Derrick Morgan is a legit possibility too. I went with Price because I love the guy and well I want Morgan to fall to us. So there…:p Weatherspoon is an outside shot as well.
16. Tennessee - Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech. And TTP77 celebrates…..yay! Seriously though I think DE is the most likely choice. Everson Griffin gets serious consideration as well. I also gave serious consideration to Kyle Wilson and Devin McCourty. I could also see Weatherspoon as a possibility too.
17. San Francisco - Taylor Mays, S, USC. They need oline help and Anthony Davis could go here. I wouldn’t do it and I don’t care much for Mays at safety either but they need help at safety and Singletary could make this guy into a player.
TTP77
04-03-2010, 01:37 PM
18. Pittsburgh - Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho. Need meets value once again. The Steelers oline needs serious help and he’s the best OG available. Other options would be Davis or even Pouncey.
19. Atlanta- Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri. The Falcons could use a CB too since Houston turned out to be a bust and is gone (boy was I wrong about that one!). Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty are definite options here too. They need DE help also though so they could go with one of the DE’s left.
20. Houston - Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State. This is great pick for the Texans who could use help at the position. Also gives them a good option in the return game. A very close second would be Ryan Matthews but I just don’t like the value here.
21. Cincinnati - Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois. I don’t see the Bengals going the TO route but even so this guy could be the stud WR the Bengals need now and for the future. Chad isn’t getting any younger but shhhhh…..don’t tell him that.
22. New England – Jared Odrick, DT/DE, Penn State. I struggled with this pick. I do know they need Dline help and this guy has great measurable. The site I used to make these picks lists him as a DT, but he really projects more as a DE in a 3-4. I see Brandon Graham mocked here a lot but he projects more as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. My one big longshot in the first is this: WR DeMaryius Thomas. TE Jermaine Gresham is an option (I’ve seen him mocked here) but I don’t like the value.
23. Green Bay - Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida. It’s not a shock to anyone if the Packers pick an olineman here. They must protect Aaron Rodgers. Bruce Campbell is a close runner up if Al Davis doesn’t pick him.
24. Philadelphia - Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers. With the Sheldon Brown trade it’s no surprise the Eagles will look for secondary help. They get it with one of the most talented DB’s in the draft. I really gave serious consideration to him at our pick. DMac goes to a team with a clear need and where he will likely play early on. He can also help ease out and/or relieve DeSean Jackson in the return game so he can continue to dominate on offense.
25. Baltimore – Rolando McClain – ILB, Alabama. I initially had Jared Odrick - DT, Penn State, mocked here. If the Pats don’t take him the Ravens will. McClain fits the Ravens system and has good value here. I’ve seen the TE out of Okie mocked here a lot. I don’t see the value at this spot frankly. They could use DB help so Patrick Robinson could be an option. I don’t like that value either but then again good DB’s are a commodity.
26. Arizona – Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland. I’m surprised he fell this far but there it is. It’s a legit possibility that Al Davis takes him. So my very close second would be the next best olineman and that would be Anthony Davis I guess. Roger Saffold if ‘Zona can’t overlook the red flags Davis carries.
27. Dallas – Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers. Jerry Jones won’t let the red flags stop him. They need help at OG and S too but this is the best olineman available and is good value at a need position.
28. San Diego - Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State. Or….Jahvid Best, RB, California. Clearly a need pick and somewhat of a reach either way but the Chargers need RB help in the worst way. A close second would be Terrance Cody as they need help at NT also.
29. New York Jets - Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas. Gholston ain’t gonna cut it and they can cut him with no salary cap consequences this year. Jared Odrick if he’s available but he won’t be. I’ve seen Golden Tate mocked here a lot so he’ll be my runner up.
30. Minnesota - Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama. Perfect fit for their system and they need secondary help. They could go with an olineman but the best ones are gone by now in my mock. If one of the better DT’s are still available then that would be an option too.
31. Indianapolis - Everson Griffen, DE, USC. The BPA available and a good pick. All the better Olinemen are gone so the Colts address that later. But if Rodger Saffold, OT, Indiana is available he’s my runner up.
32. New Orleans - Jerry Hughes, OLB, TCU. Greg Williams is practically drooling already. They need help on the Dline but the value is just not there for what’s left on my board. But if any of the good DE’s or DT’s are left that will be an obvious choice.
TTP77
04-03-2010, 01:52 PM
Update from Wyatt on visits
One of the most intriguing players in the 2010 draft recently paid a pre-draft visit to the Titans in South Florida defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul.
Pierre-Paul has “Freak”-like abilities, and put them on display while posting 16.5 sacks in his lone college season in 2009. But many draft experts aren’t completely sold on him because he did it for just one year – he transferred to South Florida from Fort Scott (Kan.) Community College.
Still, he’s expected to go early, and he’s a player that would surely tempt the Titans if he’s still on the board when they pick at No.16 overall.
Here’s a look at other players who have recently made pre-draft visits to Baptist Sports Park in addition to those previously reported by The Tennessean:
Georgia linebacker Rennie Curran
Mississippi State running back Anthony Dixon
Memphis running back Curtis Steele
Vanderbilt safety Ryan Hamilton
Vanderbilt defensive back Myron Lewis
Vanderbilt tackle Thomas Welch
Vanderbilt defensive tackle Greg Billinger
ZachLV27
04-03-2010, 02:55 PM
I'll do a little critiquing of your picks since there isn't much else going on. I want to be upfront in saying that I'm not a big fan of mock drafts though since one wrong pick or one trade on draft day can completely screw up the rest of your picks. Even guys who get paid to do this usually come out only getting a small percentage right. They can be fun to read and are usually good just for the insight given on the player himself.
1. The only way I see Bradford not being picked here is if he sticks to the rumor of not negotiating his contract before being picked.
2. Suh will be real tempting but the smart move would be to protect your franchise QB so I agree here.
3. If the Bucs can pull it off (with Suh still being here it is possible) I see them trying to trade down. I just don't see the Glazers wanting to pay the #3 pick. If they still have the pick they'd have to take Suh or McCoy though.
4. I've never been a big fan of Shanahan so I wont begin to guess what he'll do. Clausen seems to be the choice here so I'll agree with the pick.
5. McCoy or Suh still being there will be tempting but as with the Lions the Chiefs need to protect their QB.
6. Another team that is in need of a good DT or OT so depending on who is there that's who we will go with. They don't have a franchise QB to protect so DT makes sense.
7. I'm not as big on Berry as many on this board are so I could see them going elsewhere. Holmgren and their QB situation are the wild cards here (QB in round 2 is more likely).
8. I don't like him nor do I like Al Davis. No matter how crazy Davis seems to be he usually only goes wild with athletes at the WR position. I just don't see Davis making this big of a reach on a DE.
9. New scheme on defense needs an impact player. OT is probably the safe pick. Is it the smart pick? Not so sure.
10. Haden goes here. I just can't see him getting past them.
11. I don't see them going near Bryant. They already have a prima donna WR they are trying to get rid of. Williams sounds good here.
12. WR is a real need and Parcell's was fine with coaching Keyshawn Johnson. I just don't see Bryant going this early.
13. I think he is gone by now. If he is there Haden will be the pick. Wilson is more likely (and I'll cry).
14. No. Just no. In my opinion he only gets the hype because the RB class isn't that strong.
15. As someone who has UC and Crohn's Disease I know first hand how debilitating it can be. I also know that for someone that has it under control they can lead a perfectly normal life. There are a number of professional and college athletes who play while being unaffected by the disease. The topic itself probably makes me a bit biased but I personally see the Giants taking McClain because it is a big need for them.
16. Price, Morgan, and Wilson all could easily go here if they are still on the board. I'd personally (another bias here) love to see Wilson in a Titans jersey.
17. I see Earl Thomas still being available and the more likely pick.
18. O-line is a big possibility. CB could be another choice.
19. A run on CB's could be a possibility and could make things change up quite a bit. I honestly have no clue where they will go though.
20. I don't see Wilson being available this late. He'd be a steal here if he was still available. Spiller or Bryant (he could be too good to pass up this late) would be real good possibilities if they are still available.
21. Dez Bryant. If they don't get Carson Palmer a WR then they need to just give up on him and use this pick to draft their QB of the future.
22. D line is my best guess. No clue who though.
23 - 32. Your picks seem solid but this is where I really have no clue what is going to happen. So many of the earlier picks have a big effect on what goes on here so I'm not going to try and guess.
TTP77
04-03-2010, 03:10 PM
I almost gave the Jags Haden but Thomas can play CB and is just a better athlete. I agree though they certainly could pick Haden. The Fins have spent two days with Dez Bryant. Now I know visits usually don't mean a whole lot but a two day visit is different from your average visit. I think they are serious about Bryant and if he's there they will pick him. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. I think the G-men need help at LB but after researching McClain he doesn't fit a 4-3 system all that well. Much better in a 3-4 so that was the deal breaker. That said I think they could pick McClain but they could also pick Morgan too.
On our pick well I'd be fine with Price, Morgan and Kyle Wilson really.
We'll see about CJ Spiller. I really do think Seattle would pick him at that spot. I think it's high value and a bit of a reach but it instantly upgrades their offense. JMO
TTP77
04-03-2010, 06:23 PM
This is Mike Keith's story on CJ Spiller
http://www.titansradio.com/Article.asp?id=1744908&spid=28842
Eric Berry on Hardesty
http://podcasting.fia.net/6832/4245276.mp3
torcida
04-04-2010, 06:23 PM
im gonna agree with most of u guys.. no need for a dt in 1st (even though there are some intriguing guys), cb only if haden is there, ditto for lb and mcclain.. which leaves us with de position.. i dont like dunlap at all, dont like guys with questionable atitudes and inconsistent play.. jpp could be great, but hes the biggest ? mark.. two guys i would not mind at all are morgan and griffen.. in that order.. very intriguing though, is the thought of sergio kindle.. while de in college he would likely have to be moved to olb in the pros right? now, he seems strictly a pass rusher, with questionable abilities in other lb duties.. and we really dont blitz with our olbs.. so it would seem he doesnt fit our team, but i saw he came in for a visit.. i think he would give us another very interesting option to our d, as a pass rushing lb.. what do you think?
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