Jeff Fisher... HOF worthy?

[NiagaraTitan]

I was thinking about this the other day... and I couldn't come to a straight answer I think.

Of course I feel that he is, but I also realize the homerism I have to the Titans.

From a non biased stand point...

When it's all said in done, will Jeff Fisher be in the HOF?

[Jones31]

I don't think so.

[Orca]

No super bowl wins. One conference championship. Small media market. What do you think?

[RohitTheNair]

If he wins a Superbowl, yes.

[Sect309Fan]

If he wins a Super Bowl, I think he is in. If he doesn't, then it likely won't happen. The only modern coach that is in the HOF without a Super Bowl win is Marv Levy, and he at least went to 4 Super Bowls.

Andy Reid is in the same boat. The guy has done everything but win a Super Bowl. He has a great winning percentage and a very good playoff winning percentage. But with only one Super Bowl appearance, it probably isn't enough either.

[Sect309Fan]

No super bowl wins. One conference championship. Small media market. What do you think?

Media market is irrelevant in this case. Jeff Fisher is well known to everyone associated with the NFL and the fans.

The other two items make the difference.

[RallyRedBmore]

when we win the superbowl this year, ill consider him a 1st ballot-er :)

[Nintova]

I would think that he would get special consideration for a few reasons.

1) He's a former player. The list of former players who have excelled at coaching in the NFL is short. Dungy and Cower are his peers ( and both won SBs ) The others, Del Rio, Jauron and everyone else have a long way to go before they can lay claim to any real success in the NFL.

2) His association with the Competition Committee. Jeff has been very involved with the workings of the NFL and to better it's product for the fans and the players. He gives a significant portion of his time for the NFL. His trip to visit our boys over seas is further proof.

Sometimes the HOF is more than numbers. I would hope that Jeff can end any speculation by getting us a couple SB wins, but if that doesn't happen, I would hope there is a place for him.

[MrBean]

Is there enough room for the 'stache in Canton?

[Titansfan777]

If he can maintain the success he is having now for 5-10 more years + a super bowl WIN.

[Titanico]

If there's a reason, that has to be the long tenure as a Coach for the same franchise.

But I don't think that keeps enough value by itself to be strong enough to become a HOFer.

A Super Bowl must have to be won, so he can get a better chance.

[TTP77]

I agree with 309 and his reasoning. I do wish we'd go ahead and put him in our Ring of Honor. I think he deserves that at least.

[Fairweather Fan]

A super bowl win would seal the deal in my opinion. Until he gets that I think it could go either way.

[Old Oilers Fan]

Hey since we are talking about Jeff Fisher has this ever been posted?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/tennessee-titans/09000d5d8113912f/Fisher-meets-the-troops

[Toronto]

Good thread....

I say he needs a ring, maybe two. He hasn't done anything new, or radical, just been a decent to good coach that brought stability to a lower profile team.

[ms_zonian]

I agree with the ring being crucial. Without it I doubt it.

[Orca]

[QUOTE=Sect309Fan;20479]Media market is irrelevant in this case.......QUOTE]

I beg to differ. Size matters.

[MrBean]

[QUOTE=Sect309Fan;20479]Media market is irrelevant in this case.......QUOTE]

I beg to differ. Size matters.

Wife not satisfied, eh? :lmao

[TTP77]

Green Bay is considered a small market team too. Brett Favre, Reggie White, and the great Vince Lombardi all owe their HOF status to that team and that market. I also think it's possible that Mike Holmgren will get in too but his fate like Fisher's is tied to lack of SB win.

[Sect309Fan]

I also think it's possible that Mike Holmgren will get in too but his fate like Fisher's is tied to lack of SB win.

Holmgren won a Super Bowl with Green Bay in the 1996-1997 season.


Levy is a good example of a small market coach getting in the Hall of Fame.

[Aaron3322]

Not yet, But with a ring or two he's in! :thumbsup

I believe Fisher still has plenty left in his career. I don't see him slowing down anytime soon.

[TTP77]

Holmgren won a Super Bowl with Green Bay in the 1996-1997 season.


Levy is a good example of a small market coach getting in the Hall of Fame.

You're right! My bad.

[Orca]

Green Bay is considered a small market team too. Brett Favre, Reggie White, and the great Vince Lombardi all owe their HOF status to that team and that market. I also think it's possible that Mike Holmgren will get in too but his fate like Fisher's is tied to lack of SB win.

It is completely illogical to suggest that any of the three owe HOF status to that market; however, one might say "in spite of" market size. What is unique about the GB situation is not size but its status as an NFL franchise, owed in part to Lombardi himself and also the unique character of the franchise.

Small market and superior performance may = HOF.
Large market and superior performance will = HOF.
Large market and marginal performance might = HOF.
Small market and marginal performance....

As far as Levy goes, I think his stats are pretty compelling.
So where does Fisher fit?

[Nintova]

Why don't we wait until he's done, then I'll let ya know. :D

[TTP77]

It is completely illogical to suggest that any of the three owe HOF status to that market; however, one might say "in spite of" market size. What is unique about the GB situation is not size but its status as an NFL franchise, owed in part to Lombardi himself and also the unique character of the franchise.

Small market and superior performance may = HOF.
Large market and superior performance will = HOF.
Large market and marginal performance might = HOF.
Small market and marginal performance....

As far as Levy goes, I think his stats are pretty compelling.
So where does Fisher fit?

I said Fisher needs a SB to even get consideration so I don't know what you are arguing here. I don't disagree with the in spite of disclaimer as it relates to GB. That franchise has enjoyed far greater stability than the franchise Fisher leads too. But to say that he won't make it because Tennessee is a small market is illogical too. I don't think market size matters. It's numbers and performance.

[pookha]

I would think that he would get special consideration for a few reasons.

1) He's a former player. The list of former players who have excelled at coaching in the NFL is short. Dungy and Cower are his peers ( and both won SBs ) The others, Del Rio, Jauron and everyone else have a long way to go before they can lay claim to any real success in the NFL.

2) His association with the Competition Committee. Jeff has been very involved with the workings of the NFL and to better it's product for the fans and the players. He gives a significant portion of his time for the NFL. His trip to visit our boys over seas is further proof.

Sometimes the HOF is more than numbers. I would hope that Jeff can end any speculation by getting us a couple SB wins, but if that doesn't happen, I would hope there is a place for him.


while the ring will help what is working in his favor is the coaching job he did during the whole mess in the transition to nashville.

i have heard other coaches say it may be the best bit of coaching ever
considering the conditions he was dealing with.

[TitansGiantsBears]

I'm not even sure a single ring would guarantee it at this point. Won't Fisher pass Cowher this season for #2 on the list of most seasons coaching the same team without a Super Bowl win? Those two are behind Bud Grant.

That said, don't forget that Tom Flores won not one but TWO Super Bowls, 3 division titles, and posted an 83-56 record (.610 pct compared withh Fisher's .557) with the Raiders before coming back and taking over a HORRIBLE Seattle franchise that ruined his win-loss record but he has TWO Super Bowls on his resume and isn't in the Hall.

If they allow Fisher or Reid in, someone needs to apologize to Flores.

[Sect309Fan]

Flores isn't the only one. Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, and George Seifert all have two Super Bowl wins and aren't in the HOF yet.

One problem we haven't discussed is that there are so many canidates now, and only a few spots open each year. There isn't a "players hall of fame", "owners hall of fame", and "coaches hall of fame". There is only the NFL Hall of Fame, and there will be at most one spot open each year for a non-player.

Looking at all of this, it will be quite challenging for Fisher to get in. But if he could win a Super Bowl and stay 20 years or more with the Titans, that would be a major accomplishment.

[Nintova]

Seifert inherited his SBs. He should have mailed the trophies to Walsh.

[MillaKilla8]

I think he is. But he needs a ring. Which hopefully he'll get this year!

[Jimmyd24]

nope

[Toronto]

One of the biggest factors for me regarding Fisher and HOF eligibility?

What has he done that we could call innovative? Special? New?

I can't think of anything he's done that wreaks of HOF chatter. No dominant teams, no radical systems introduced, no HOFers produced (yet) on his watch.

His two biggest accomplishments are his leadership as the team moved to Nashville and was nomadic for a couple of seasons, as well as leading the team to a Super Bowl.

To compare with a HOF coach, Marc Levy brought the Bills to 4 straight AFC titles, used a K-gun offense, which was way ahead of its time, and fostered the HOF Careers of at least three players, maybe four. (Kelly, Thomas, Bruce Smith and Wil Wolford/Kent Hull, I doubt Andre Reed ever gets in)

I hate the Bills, but that Norwood FG doesn't go wide right and they're remembered as an alltime great dynasty, not the ultimate bridesmaid.

[pookha]

Flores isn't the only one. Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, and George Seifert all have two Super Bowl wins and aren't in the HOF yet.

One problem we haven't discussed is that there are so many canidates now, and only a few spots open each year. There isn't a "players hall of fame", "owners hall of fame", and "coaches hall of fame". There is only the NFL Hall of Fame, and there will be at most one spot open each year for a non-player.

Looking at all of this, it will be quite challenging for Fisher to get in. But if he could win a Super Bowl and stay 20 years or more with the Titans, that would be a major accomplishment.

parcells isnt in yet because people dont believe he is really retired.
he was in heavy consideration some time back when his name got flung about for the tampa job and then he went and coached the cowboys.

i think jimmy johnsons stint with the dolphins maybe hurt him.
he openly campaigned for the job and then did nothing with it.
beyond making some questionable personel decisions and then the awful loss at the end.

[TitansGiantsBears]

Flores isn't the only one. Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, and George Seifert all have two Super Bowl wins and aren't in the HOF yet.

One problem we haven't discussed is that there are so many canidates now, and only a few spots open each year. There isn't a "players hall of fame", "owners hall of fame", and "coaches hall of fame". There is only the NFL Hall of Fame, and there will be at most one spot open each year for a non-player.

Looking at all of this, it will be quite challenging for Fisher to get in. But if he could win a Super Bowl and stay 20 years or more with the Titans, that would be a major accomplishment.

Parcells gets in eventually whenever he decides to stay retired and the HOF voters know that it's really the end.

Seifert, I don't know. He won two Super Bowls but as has been mentioned, one of them fell into his lap. To his credit he didn't flub it up his first year. The second Super Bowl team, he pretty much gets credit for himself. I think what hurts Seifert more than anything are the Dallas Cowboys.

The franchise was viewed as the Cowboys' whipping boy for several years there before they broke through and won their Super Bowl against the Chargers. As soon as they lost Deion to the Cowboys the 49ers were the whipping boy again.

I believe Johnson will get in eventually as well. He was the main cog in building that Cowboys dynasty, with a little help from Jerry Burns of course. In fact, maybe Jerry Burns deserves consideration as well. :lol

[ZachLV27]

Even one ring doesn't put Fisher in the HoF in my opinion. I've never been one of those people that called for his firing. Even during our down years I was glad he was our coach. I am still glad he is our coach. My reasoning is that the HoF should be for the best. It isn't, and shouldn't be, the Hall of Better Than Average.

I look at him the same way I look at Eddie George. I loved having him on our team and would have hated seeing him elsewhere. He, along with McNair, were the heart and soul of our team and without him we would have been a hell of a lot worse, but when you compare him to others in the HoF he just doesn't have the numbers to match up.

[GoPats]

No offense guys, but no. Longevity alone doesn't really mean that much for HOF consideration. I think he's a very good coach, but not in the elite category.

That said, Fisher is a relatively young guy and could be around for two more decades. If he stops today, then no, but if he sticks around, you never know what'll happen.

[Rolltide14TOMB]

fish is a hall of famer in my book...i dread and i mean DREAD the day that another coach is patroling our sideline unless in 15 years its nick saban

[TitansGiantsBears]

fish is a hall of famer in my book...i dread and i mean DREAD the day that another coach is patroling our sideline unless in 15 years its nick saban

No thank you on Saban.

[Predarat]

Only if Marty Chokenhimer makes it first. Unless one of them wins a Super Bowl, that will throw my idea off the road.